The fact that for much of the game it looked like we were going to be beaten by a very poor 10 man side sapped the energy from our support. It was loud and vibrant until the ball squirmed under Robbie.
We should have 'upped it' at that point but unfortunately it felt like just another kick in the teeth in a long line of kicks in the teeth.
Whatever problems Southend have, they haven't had 2 relegations in 3 seasons. We have seen the script and it's not good reading. The manner of their goal just made me think that we weren't going to get anything from the game.
I know it stopped being any kind of fun for much of tonight and I was personally wondering why I was spending my hard earned on visiting yet another 3rd division heap until Reid came on. At that point, it was almost as if the team and Charlton crowd came back.
Our support has never been amongst the most vocal but by 3rd division standards, we aren't bad at all. All supporters say they can't hear the opposition, it's part of the charade. If Southend couldn't hear us then fair enough but I would imagine seeing a large away section would have boosted our players, especially on the back of some quite appalling performances in the last 6 weeks.
Shrimperama, I actually wasnt at the game but from listening to it on the radio, i didnt hear your fans at all. I heard many choruses of Valley Floyd Road being sung throughout the game, only heard the occasional come on southend that was it.
[cite]Posted By: AshTray[/cite]Fair enough from the Shrimp.
nolly, 'your' a fool and 'your' not even get the irony of this sentence.
It wasn't the fist post in this thread that got a reaction it was the stuff he's posted about parky being having always been a prick, bailey being a cheat, our support being the quietest he's seen, it being funny that we think we're going up, us not even being able to beat brighton etc.
The first post seems ok, but some of the other stuff was brilliantly bitter.
[cite]Posted By: Stig[/cite]Sure Bailey made a meal of it, but it wasn't a shove it was a clear punch. It was the clearest red card you will ever see. I don't condone Bailey rolling around like he did, but that doesn't make Christophe innocent.
Mate were you even at the game? There was no punch and there was such minimal contact it was a joke. It was a gentle shove . Bailey play acted and the ref bought it. Its all on camera and i hope its sent to the FA.
Personally if a player is going to get sent off for something i would rather he had chinned him.
Haven't anything bad to say about Southend but as for the Bailey incident, I can't help but feel that he did it because of the abuse he was getting from the Southend fans. He was so fired up shortly before the incident that even Parkinson had to calm him down. Obviously, the feeling for the home team, as well as the home support, was 'let's get Bailey wound up, he will snap and get sent off'. As it turned out, it was the other way round. I might be wrong but you could say that the incident was premeditated by the home players and Bailey himself. He knew full well the Southend players would be gunning for him and to be fair he was right up for the fight. I do not condone what he did but it was a very clever move on his part and a bad one for the Southend player.
Thought i herd lots of West ham chants but then you dont have your own fans do you. As for Bailey and play acting hate to say it but play acting is a big part of modern football and if oyu ever leave this league you will see the higher up the football ladder you go the worse and more embarassing that all becomes. I was talking to some of your fans after the game and they were incedibly small mided biggoted people. They like scoussers tend to live up to the typical essex steryotypes that people jump to about your town. Sorry mate but all i saw was pikeys living up to the Essex steryotype was just sad really.
Thought i was going to see the shipmans roound the next corrner.
Well i was in one of the exec boxes in the main stand. I clearly saw the southend player shove Racon and then Bailey barged into the back of the same Southend player. The Southend lad then punched Bailey in the stomach/chest area. Bailey then went down with a delayed over reaction which was dissapointing. But if i was in the sSouthend management i'd be dissapointed with my own player. Like to see it again on tv but i had a decent enough view. Charlton fans seemed subdued especially in a poor 1st half... Southend fans just seemed to be booing/winding up Bailey which they did in the 1st half.... 2nd half thought Bailey was less involved.
I was in the corner section and the fans around us made a lot of noise for most of the game. It did seem like we had disjointed pockets of singers all standing except a small section of sitdarns to the left of the goal as Charlton attacked.I was close to theittle boys in the Southend section and have to say the only loud thing I heard was the drum, their support even at that close range seemed sporadic and muted. Bit like us at home.
[cite]Posted By: Telnotinoz[/cite]I was in the corner section and the fans around us made a lot of noise for most of the game. It did seem like we had disjointed pockets of singers all standing except a small section of sitdarns to the left of the goal as Charlton attacked.I was close to theittle boys in the Southend section and have to say the only loud thing I heard was the drum, their support even at that close range seemed sporadic and muted. Bit like us at home.
That section on the left was designeated as the "family stand", so I guess it's not surprising that a good number were sitting down.
I agree with many of the posts on here about the sending off. Be interesting to see it again because from where i was standing looked like a punch in the chest area to me, yes Bailey made a lot of it but cant condone to action of the Southend player
As for support, thought ours was quite loud to start with and again in the second half once we scored. The Southend crowd ere loud up until we scored in the second half but there was nothing in the first half even when you went one up.
Let's face it, as Addicks fans we've taken a hell of a beating these last few years.....to some extent we've forgotten how to support in a really impressive/meaningful way.....come the good times(which will return) we'll find our way as fans again.
Last night was a typical example....went one down and as the tension set in we became subdued....it's quite understandable.
Very very few Southend Supporters believe the red card was the wrong decision. Christophe should not have pushed/punched him . We know that - and he is getting stick for it on our own forums. Like wise Bailey should not have instigated the pushing, If Bailey hadn't of play acted though would the ref have sent Christophe off, well we will never know? Regardless was Christophe in the right, no he wasn’t
Most Southend supporters had a clear view of it as we were looking at looking at him shouting 'N Bailey is a XXXXXX' as we did thru out the match. You probably/possibly think this means we live up to standard stereotypes. No other former Southend Player has ever got this level of abuse which should tell you something about how we feel about him ( I am assuming that you are aware of the reasons). We have lost many players that have moved on to bigger teams like yourselves and do not have an issue with that, we are a selling club and we understand that.. The crowd was not winding him up so that he did something stupid , in fact we are very aware that we might have spurned him on to a great footballing performance (and not an acting performance) . We even discussed simply ignoring him, but the level of contempt felt for him was too strong for this to have been a real option. I have read on one forum that some chanting was aimed at his wife and child. I did not hear that and if it is true I apologise- that is unacceptable
(He is hated so much that if you play Colchester in the playoffs a lot of us will want Col U to win)
As to the noise levels. Away support is in the North bank, our spiritual home. The noise travels well from the North Bank. The most vocal supporters and the drum are in the West bank. Here the roof traps the sounds and no matter how noisy we are the noise does not travel. This is not sour grapes, simply a fact that has been discussed to death on our own forums. The drum is here because we have few season ticket holders in this area, as it is the worst view in the stadium.
The comparison to Leeds was simply that , an accurate comparison
Of course the fact that the punch was thrown in the penalty area in FRONT OF THE AWAY END means that we couldn't see it but all the Southend fans could.
Boring! just sounds like sour grapes to me, i understand why nolly is being dismissive
Look i dont mind if an away supporter comes on here, but when your a dick you deserve or the responses you get. some points you have made some sense and was part a fair assessment but still all these digs here and there, be like that and you can do one! if you were in a pub you wouldn't behave this way with opposition fans so dont come on here giving it the big un
Might not be our view of things but always interesting to read the other sides thinking as long as they are not trying to wind up, and UWS obviously wasn't doing that.
Another team hates one of our players, it should be no big deal to us. Let them get on with it
Might not be our view of things but always interesting to read the other sides thinking as long as they are not trying to wind up, and UWS obviously wasn't doing that.
Agreed, AFKA ...... I always like to read other viewpoints from opponents' fans.
Might not be our view of things but always interesting to read the other sides thinking as long as they are not trying to wind up, and UWS obviously wasn't doing that.
Agreed, AFKA ...... I always like to read other viewpoints from opponents' fans.
I do to, but not a fan of this ones from his previous posts. so although i think he had a fair view at first it is full of digs so....
anyways it is still nice to get another view of things and cheers for posting...i suppose
Might not be our view of things but always interesting to read the other sides thinking as long as they are not trying to wind up, and UWS obviously wasn't doing that.
Another team hates one of our players, it should be no big deal to us. Let them get on with it
Agree. I don't have any problem with other fans posting their views here so long as they are relevant and not intended to simply wind people up.
I don't think he's said anything that's not true. Bailey is a disgrace, support was quite considering the numbers, although the performance probably contributed to this.
I for one don't know what the circumstances of Baileys departure from Southend, therefore don't know why he is hated there. I do know that Charlton fans are equally annoyed at Scott Parker (but not for example Darren Bent), so there may be (a possibly unjustified) reason or explanation.
Southend fans are so few and far between im really not that bothered about their opinions. I had an ok time for Essex it wasnt as bad as i thought it would be but now im back in Kent at work so lets forget that one it was far from the best away day ever but at least we won. Also why have we sudenly started talking about Jock football on this thread. Jock football is the boggest waste of time in the football world 2 teams in the title race every year no one else has a hope and i dislike both Rangers and Cletic an incredible amount very dull stuff. I have no idea why anyone would show any interest in Jock football.
[cite]Posted By: Red_in_SE8[/cite]Agree. I don't have any problem with other fans posting their views here so long as they are relevant and not intended to simply wind people up.
That's fair enough. But we have to remember, they are seeing things from their own point of view - so we can hardly expect an impartial view or for them to agree with everything we may say.
It's just their own point of view, with their own bias.
Same as we may post on their forums.
[quote][cite]Posted By: seth plum[/cite]I for one don't know what the circumstances of Baileys departure from Southend, therefore don't know why he is hated there. I do know that Charlton fans are equally annoyed at Scott Parker (but not for example Darren Bent), so there may be (a possibly unjustified) reason or explanation.[/quote]
Every Southend fan recognises that Bailey is a great player (player not person), and was destined for a better team than Southend. He was our player of the year and fans player of the year and had the full support of the terraces. When it was rumoured that you were coming in from him he stated in the press that he didn't want to be picked to play as his head was in the wrong place and it was unfair. When he was reminded that the manager picks the team he stated that he didn't want to play as he might get injured which would jeopardise his 'dream move'. Both points are in the public domain and have not been taken out of context, He was transfer listed as he refused to discuss a new contract and we did not want him to go for a free. if one of your players refused to discuss a new contract with a year to go what would your management do? .http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12874_3950704,00.html. There is more out there as well.
How would you feel is one of your players refused to play ? As it happens in his last match he was told he was playing, he was brilliant scored and got man of the match (in front of your scouts !). So he could have left as a hero. I have no doubt that at some point in the future you will remember the term 'dream move' as do Barnet and Southend supporters.
to reiterate- no other ex Southend player is treated in this way. Rickets is disliked as he put zero effort in and that was clear to see, but he is disliked, not hated
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It was loud and vibrant until the ball squirmed under Robbie.
We should have 'upped it' at that point but unfortunately it felt like just another kick in the teeth in a long line of kicks in the teeth.
Whatever problems Southend have, they haven't had 2 relegations in 3 seasons.
We have seen the script and it's not good reading. The manner of their goal just made me think that we weren't going to get anything from the game.
I know it stopped being any kind of fun for much of tonight and I was personally wondering why I was spending my hard earned on visiting yet another 3rd division heap until Reid came on.
At that point, it was almost as if the team and Charlton crowd came back.
Our support has never been amongst the most vocal but by 3rd division standards, we aren't bad at all.
All supporters say they can't hear the opposition, it's part of the charade.
If Southend couldn't hear us then fair enough but I would imagine seeing a large away section would have boosted our players, especially on the back of some quite appalling performances in the last 6 weeks.
nolly, 'your' a fool and 'your' not even get the irony of this sentence.
It wasn't the fist post in this thread that got a reaction it was the stuff he's posted about parky being having always been a prick, bailey being a cheat, our support being the quietest he's seen, it being funny that we think we're going up, us not even being able to beat brighton etc.
The first post seems ok, but some of the other stuff was brilliantly bitter.
It was quite funny though
Haven't anything bad to say about Southend but as for the Bailey incident, I can't help but feel that he did it because of the abuse he was getting from the Southend fans. He was so fired up shortly before the incident that even Parkinson had to calm him down. Obviously, the feeling for the home team, as well as the home support, was 'let's get Bailey wound up, he will snap and get sent off'. As it turned out, it was the other way round. I might be wrong but you could say that the incident was premeditated by the home players and Bailey himself. He knew full well the Southend players would be gunning for him and to be fair he was right up for the fight. I do not condone what he did but it was a very clever move on his part and a bad one for the Southend player.
Good luck for the rest of the season.
Thought i was going to see the shipmans roound the next corrner.
That section on the left was designeated as the "family stand", so I guess it's not surprising that a good number were sitting down.
As for support, thought ours was quite loud to start with and again in the second half once we scored. The Southend crowd ere loud up until we scored in the second half but there was nothing in the first half even when you went one up.
Last night was a typical example....went one down and as the tension set in we became subdued....it's quite understandable.
Southend Supporter comes in peace
Just to clear up one very important point.
Very very few Southend Supporters believe the red card was the wrong decision. Christophe should not have pushed/punched him . We know that - and he is getting stick for it on our own forums. Like wise Bailey should not have instigated the pushing, If Bailey hadn't of play acted though would the ref have sent Christophe off, well we will never know? Regardless was Christophe in the right, no he wasn’t
Most Southend supporters had a clear view of it as we were looking at looking at him shouting 'N Bailey is a XXXXXX' as we did thru out the match. You probably/possibly think this means we live up to standard stereotypes. No other former Southend Player has ever got this level of abuse which should tell you something about how we feel about him ( I am assuming that you are aware of the reasons). We have lost many players that have moved on to bigger teams like yourselves and do not have an issue with that, we are a selling club and we understand that.. The crowd was not winding him up so that he did something stupid , in fact we are very aware that we might have spurned him on to a great footballing performance (and not an acting performance) . We even discussed simply ignoring him, but the level of contempt felt for him was too strong for this to have been a real option. I have read on one forum that some chanting was aimed at his wife and child. I did not hear that and if it is true I apologise- that is unacceptable
(He is hated so much that if you play Colchester in the playoffs a lot of us will want Col U to win)
As to the noise levels. Away support is in the North bank, our spiritual home. The noise travels well from the North Bank.
The most vocal supporters and the drum are in the West bank. Here the roof traps the sounds and no matter how noisy we are the noise does not travel. This is not sour grapes, simply a fact that has been discussed to death on our own forums. The drum is here because we have few season ticket holders in this area, as it is the worst view in the stadium.
The comparison to Leeds was simply that , an accurate comparison
Don't really care whether Southend fans want us to do well or not. tbh.
Indeed
Of course the fact that the punch was thrown in the penalty area in FRONT OF THE AWAY END means that we couldn't see it but all the Southend fans could.
We won, you lost, move on.
Look i dont mind if an away supporter comes on here, but when your a dick you deserve or the responses you get. some points you have made some sense and was part a fair assessment but still all these digs here and there, be like that and you can do one! if you were in a pub you wouldn't behave this way with opposition fans so dont come on here giving it the big un
Might not be our view of things but always interesting to read the other sides thinking as long as they are not trying to wind up, and UWS obviously wasn't doing that.
Another team hates one of our players, it should be no big deal to us. Let them get on with it
Nice to see Rangers beat Celtic at the weekend though
Agreed, AFKA ...... I always like to read other viewpoints from opponents' fans.
I do to, but not a fan of this ones from his previous posts. so although i think he had a fair view at first it is full of digs so....
anyways it is still nice to get another view of things and cheers for posting...i suppose
Agree. I don't have any problem with other fans posting their views here so long as they are relevant and not intended to simply wind people up.
That's fair enough. But we have to remember, they are seeing things from their own point of view - so we can hardly expect an impartial view or for them to agree with everything we may say.
It's just their own point of view, with their own bias.
Same as we may post on their forums.
Every Southend fan recognises that Bailey is a great player (player not person), and was destined for a better team than Southend. He was our player of the year and fans player of the year and had the full support of the terraces. When it was rumoured that you were coming in from him he stated in the press that he didn't want to be picked to play as his head was in the wrong place and it was unfair. When he was reminded that the manager picks the team he stated that he didn't want to play as he might get injured which would jeopardise his 'dream move'. Both points are in the public domain and have not been taken out of context, He was transfer listed as he refused to discuss a new contract and we did not want him to go for a free. if one of your players refused to discuss a new contract with a year to go what would your management do?
.http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12874_3950704,00.html. There is more out there as well.
How would you feel is one of your players refused to play ? As it happens in his last match he was told he was playing, he was brilliant scored and got man of the match (in front of your scouts !). So he could have left as a hero. I have no doubt that at some point in the future you will remember the term 'dream move' as do Barnet and Southend supporters.
to reiterate- no other ex Southend player is treated in this way. Rickets is disliked as he put zero effort in and that was clear to see, but he is disliked, not hated