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Will we be more tolerant next season.

For the first time in years we will be playing in the third tier of english football with no expectations.Any player of quality would have gone and we will just have hopefully players with a point to prove striving to better themselves,let's hope so anyway.For god knows say the last 12 years we as fans have had high expectations not any more im afraid.
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  • So you've given up? We can't go up?
  • edited February 2010
    No. Ill throw my season ticket on the pitch at 3.01 on the opening day if parkinson is still in charge.
  • WSSWSS
    edited February 2010
    Still think the expectations will be there regardless mate.

    Even if by some strange turn of events we go up this year people next year would be expecting us to be in the playoffs.

    That being said, and I know it's pointless but, if you had said to anyone back in August would you take us being 3rd, only having lost 4 games all season I think 95% of people would have bitten your hand off.

    Expectations have changed due to our fantastic start though and we now look like throwing all of that good work away. Hope it doesnt turn out that way but it's not looking good.
  • [cite]Posted By: Chizz[/cite]So you've given up? We can't go up?

    I never had the faith in the current manager that we would so ive nothing to give up.

    No I dont think we will go up. Think the automatics is out of our reach due to the form of the past few months and unfortunately I dont think we are mentally strong enough for the playoffs. A million miles away from when we won the last play off final.
  • We won't go up now. I keep hearing that there's a long way to go with plenty of twists and turns. That's rubbish, there are only 15 games to play and it will take us at least 8 of those to get a clean sheet.

    I'll still go regardless because I love the club but I expect a scrap at the bottom next season.
  • [cite]Posted By: RodneyCharltonTrotta[/cite]No. Ill throw my fucking season ticket on the pitch at 3.01 on the opening day if parkinson is still in charge.
    Hmm... So you'll buy a season ticket if (when) Parky's still in charge in the Summer, but if he's not sacked in the lead-up to the first game, you'll chuck it away?
  • edited February 2010
    [cite]Posted By: Chizz[/cite]So you've given up? We can't go up?

    No, Chizz, miracles can happen. But do you seriously, having watched our performances of late, think we have the balls or the talent to get promotion?
  • [cite]Posted By: Chizz[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: RodneyCharltonTrotta[/cite]No. Ill throw my fucking season ticket on the pitch at 3.01 on the opening day if parkinson is still in charge.
    Hmm... So you'll buy a season ticket if (when) Parky's still in charge in the Summer, but if he's not sacked in the lead-up to the first game, you'll chuck it away?

    Yes. Club will get my money but I dont want to support a regime that is dragging our club down.
  • Rodders, would you have taken the position we are in now back in August?
  • [cite]Posted By: Chizz[/cite]So you've given up? We can't go up?

    yep i have given up because if the players have given up how the hell can we go up !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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  • If we don't go up this season, yes we would lose most of our decent players. We moan about the likes of Sam now, but we'll be wishing we still had them if they do leave. We used to moan about a lot of players who are now better than what we have. If we don't go up the reality is it won't get better in the short term.

    As shown over the last 3/4 years, we'll find replacements, but we'll do very well to find replacements that match those expectations.

    Have to agree with WSS, even if we go up, we'd then be (unrealistically) expected to challenge for promotion again by some. If we stay down those fans will expect promotion from this league. With what would be a weaker squad, that wouldn't do the players any good.

    I hope we don't keep falling further, I don't want to be negative, but like WSS said, it's not looking good. Stay down and it'll get a lot harder and fan expectations would have to change for the good of the club.
  • [cite]Posted By: Nadou[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: Chizz[/cite]So you've given up? We can't go up?

    No, Chizz, miracles can happen. But do you seriously, having watched our performances of late, think we have the balls or the talent to get promotion?
    Charlton's performance was utterly reprehensible tonight. We didn't show the class, commitment, passion, resilience or ability to break down a modest, but committed Bristol Rovers team.

    That said, there are no stand-out teams. And, although Charlton are in the crest of a slump right now, there are only three teams who have shown they are good enough to mount a sustained challenge. Leeds, Norwich and us.

    We were dreadful tonight and we haven't been much better recently. But we're still in touch, we're still one of only three teams who have enough about them to seal an automatic place, and neither of those places has been closed off by either Leeds or Norwich.

    Did we play well enough today? No, not nearly. Are we good enough to go up? Absolutely yes. Will we get one of the automatic spots? Still too soon to say.
  • [cite]Posted By: WSS[/cite]Rodders, would you have taken the position we are in now back in August?


    No mate not if the form that backs it up was the same. Table doesnt lie but our position flatters to deceive imo.
  • chizz thats bollocks mate,what about colchester??
  • [cite]Posted By: Scoham[/cite]
    I hope we don't keep falling further, I don't want to be negative, but like WSS said, it's not looking good. Stay down and it'll get a lot harder and fan expectations would have to change for the good of the club.



    See what you mean and expectations would change but I dont think its purely the fans expectations that have hindered the club last few seasons.
  • edited February 2010
    [cite]Posted By: Chizz[/cite]
    That said, there are no stand-out teams. And, although Charlton are in the crest of a slump right now, there are only three teams who have shown they are good enough to mount a sustained challenge. Leeds, Norwich and us.

    The trouble is, the spell you are basing the belief that we could mount a sustain challenge is based on 5/6 months ago now, and we look almost an era away from that groove.

    Timing is everything through a long season. All teams have ups and downs, that is natural. Once again our timing appears misplaced, and i'm collectively losing faith in the players and management to find that right formula again. There appears an air of panic about them at the moment, rightly so given results, but without the spirit or belief to realistically attack it.

    I'm not giving up on going up, but game by game that it is looking more realistic that it will have to be via the play-offs, which is a 25% lottery where all forms of form go out the window. But given our inability to raise performances in spirited high tempo games, we'll have to find something extra as the signs indicate we would be outmuscled and outfought by Colchester and Millwall at least.
  • The club just really really needs a whole fresh new begining. New Board, New Manager, New Hope, New Charlton.

    Unfortuneatly without a new investment that will never happen. And right now that is looking very very unlikely.
  • [quote][cite]Posted By: Chizz[/cite][quote. Are we good enough to go up? Absolutely yes.

    I have to disagree. I think absolutely no. Apart from the first three months of the season, I have not believed that we have played well enough. Since then, even our victories have not convinced me. As I said, miracles can happen and blind hope keeps us all going, but if I were a betting man I would put money on us being in this league next year.
  • We collectively have to put the recent results behind us and get a home win on Saturday and another on Tuesday. Two games. Six points up for grabs that MUST be taken. Let's not have a morgue of a Valley on Saturday eh? CAFC needs us.
  • [cite]Posted By: Nadou[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: Chizz[/cite][quote. Are we good enough to go up? Absolutely yes.

    I have to disagree. I think absolutely no. Apart from the first three months of the season, I have not believed that we have played well enough. Since then, even our victories have not convinced me. As I said, miracles can happen and blind hope keeps us all going, but if I were a betting man I would put money on us being in this league next year.
    ...are you?
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  • A betting man? Nope - one of the few vices I don't have!
  • [cite]Posted By: nolly[/cite]chizz thats bollocks mate,what about colchester??
    You make a strong, cogent argument. Well said. However, Colchester are not one of three teams who have spent a great deal of the season in the top two. I am very sure that the top two places will be taken up by two out of Leeds, Norwich and us.
  • get some sleep.
  • [cite]Posted By: RodneyCharltonTrotta[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: WSS[/cite]Rodders, would you have taken the position we are in now back in August?


    No mate not if the form that backs it up was the same. Table doesnt lie but our position flatters to deceive imo.

    Exactly. Our position is on the back of winning against mainly very poor teams whilst mostly not being very good ourselves, relying on opposition players missing numerous clear chances, basically riding our luck. Unfortunately playing poorly and getting results only lasts so long. We aren't playing that much worse than we were when we were wining, our luck appears to have now worn off and the results can no longer hide our shortcomings.

    Yes those of us "moaners" would take the position we're in but some of us also like to look longterm and there isn't much to think we're strong enough for promotion by the end of the season and that's what counts, not where we are now. Too many similarities with a couple of seasons ago.
  • [cite]Posted By: AFKABartram[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: Chizz[/cite]
    That said, there are no stand-out teams. And, although Charlton are in the crest of a slump right now, there are only three teams who have shown they are good enough to mount a sustained challenge. Leeds, Norwich and us.

    The trouble is, the spell you are basing the belief that we could mount a sustain challenge is based on 5/6 months ago now, and we look almost an era away from that groove.

    Timing is everything through a long season. All teams have ups and downs, that is natural. Once again our timing appears misplaced, and i'm collectively losing faith in the players and management to find that right formula again. There appears an air of panic about them at the moment, rightly so given results, but without the spirit or belief to realistically attack it.

    I'm not giving up on going up, but game by game that it is looking more realistic that it will have to be via the play-offs, which is a 25% lottery where all forms of form go out the window. But given our inability to raise performances in spirited high tempo games, we'll have to find something extra as the signs indicate we would be outmuscled and outfought by Colchester and Millwall at least.
    Three teams have been good enough to have spent a considerable time in the top two. We're one of them. For that reason - and the fact that we still have the same quality and depth in the squad (ie we have not lost some of our better players in the window) - I think we will still make a solid challenge.

    As Parky said a day or so ago, Norwich have taken something like 41 points out of 45. But we're still close to them. They will slip as we and Leeds have done.

    This season is a long, long way from being over.
  • Well Chizz, i really can't see at the moment what you are basing that belief on other than a fantasy, but if you are proved right i will be the first to highlight it. I just don't think we've got it in us.
  • [cite]Posted By: RodneyCharltonTrotta[/cite]
    [cite aria-level=0 aria-posinset=0 aria-setsize=0]Posted By: WSS[/cite]Rodders, would you have taken the position we are in now back in August?


    No mate not if the form that backs it up was the same. Table doesnt lie but our position flatters to deceive imo.

    I'd rather us have started badly and slowly worked our way to a winning mentality as that is what you need to get through the play offs imo.Last time we were in them i seem to remember us going like a train from mid-season.We look a million miles from that now.
  • [cite]Posted By: Chizz[/cite]
    [cite aria-level=0 aria-posinset=0 aria-setsize=0]Posted By: AFKABartram[/cite]
    [cite aria-level=0 aria-posinset=0 aria-setsize=0]Posted By: Chizz[/cite]
    That said, there are no stand-out teams. And, although Charlton are in the crest of a slump right now, there are only three teams who have shown they are good enough to mount a sustained challenge. Leeds, Norwich and us.

    The trouble is, the spell you are basing the belief that we could mount a sustain challenge is based on 5/6 months ago now, and we look almost an era away from that groove.

    Timing is everything through a long season. All teams have ups and downs, that is natural. Once again our timing appears misplaced, and i'm collectively losing faith in the players and management to find that right formula again. There appears an air of panic about them at the moment, rightly so given results, but without the spirit or belief to realistically attack it.

    I'm not giving up on going up, but game by game that it is looking more realistic that it will have to be via the play-offs, which is a 25% lottery where all forms of form go out the window. But given our inability to raise performances in spirited high tempo games, we'll have to find something extra as the signs indicate we would be outmuscled and outfought by Colchester and Millwall at least.
    Three teams have been good enough to have spent a considerable time in the top two. We're one of them. For that reason - and the fact that we still have the same quality and depth in the squad (ie we have not lost some of our better players in the window) - I think we will still make a solid challenge.

    As Parky said a day or so ago, Norwich have taken something like 41 points out of 45. But we're still close to them. They will slip as we and Leeds have done.

    This season is a long, long way from being over.
    Thing is,the goings getting tough now.It wasn't then.
  • [cite]Posted By: Chizz[/cite]So you've given up? We can't go up?

    We have the players to get promotion but not the manager to get us promoted. Agree?
  • [cite]Posted By: RodneyCharltonTrotta[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: Scoham[/cite]
    I hope we don't keep falling further, I don't want to be negative, but like WSS said, it's not looking good. Stay down and it'll get a lot harder and fan expectations would have to change for the good of the club.



    See what you mean and expectations would change but I dont think its purely the fans expectations that have hindered the club last few seasons.
    of course not, far from it, just saying we will have to adjust if we aren't promoted this season.
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