My worry was the lack of spirit shown during our defeat against Northwich and I posted as much last week adding that Parky needed to get a response and quick!
He did and all credit to him and the players. Sam Sodje is a legend!
[cite]Posted By: American_Addick[/cite]Tand the general malaise of the past eight weeks, is why supporters get so frustrated.
The thing is AA, the 'general malaise' of the past 8 weeks has always been a bit of a myth. True we went of the boil a bit at Gills and were positively stone cold by the time Northwich came around, but that's only 3 weeks and 4 games - all away from home.
For example, our record against teams in the, current, top half is as follows:
Won 3 (Dons & Hudds h, Hartlepool a)
Drawn 2 (Leeds & Norwich a)
Lost 1 (Colchester a)
That's a very solid record, especially when you consider only 2 have been at home and 5 of the six we've played occupy places in the top 6. Seeing as we've been under a malaise for the past 2 months, we presumably must have secured these respectable results before this malaise took hold... oh but hang on... the only result which pre-dates this mythical 8 week period is the win away at Hartlepool - the lowest placed of the 6 teams.
We've been rubbish in our last couple of outings, but the length and depth of the slump has been massively overstated.
I think the embarrassment of last weekend grated with a lot of people and most of the bile was spur of the moment stuff.Credit where credit is due though.He said it would provoke a reaction from the players and it did.Can't ask for more than that.
[cite]Posted By: carly burn[/cite]I think the embarrassment of last weekend grated with a lot of people and most of the bile was spur of the moment stuff.
I don't doubt it Carly, but imo a few people have made a bit of a tit of themselves over the last week. Hopefully now they've been cheered up a bit today they'll be able to take a step back, breath and realise they over reacted - the Valley will be a much happier place if, as AA says, we all don't get too angry when we're down and don't allow ourselves to get too carried away when we're up or at least save the anger for a proper crisis, and lord knows you're average Addick knows only too well what a genuine, bona fide crisis looks like.
I'm not fussed about the regular doomsayers on here. They're part of the furniture and are what helps to make this such a vibrant place. It would be f***ing boring if we all did the t'internet equivalent of sitting around clapping and saying 'rah rah rah, well done lads'.
What HAS irked me the last week or so is the couple of plums who have signed up on here simply to throw a load of invective around. I note, with interest, that they're absent tonight. Seriously - can anyone else not have noticed them posting in amongst the semi-regular glass-half-empty mob after the Northwich and Sarfampton games? I still think that they were either Charlie Block in disguise, or refugees from an even more suicidally depressing Addicks board that must have been down for a few days.
To those bell-ends I say: "You're not singing any more"
Now watch us lose three on the spin then get mullered by the Spanners )
Airing concerns as a result of poor performances has done us no harm at all.
Great stuff today, obviously, but I'm not going to turn my entire opinion around on it.
I'd imagine a number of folk who'll try and point-score on the back of it will be those that demanded we stuck with a failing 4-5-1 and that failed to spot the second half turn around at Leeds largely came from flipping Racon and Bailey (which to be fair it's taken a while to peculate with Parky too). Anyway, I'm descending to the same pathetic point-scoring levels myself. Great win, great performance. Competition for places up front. All is well in the world. Apart from the shitty keeper, but it wouldn't be Charlton if we didn't have a little tension
The sentiment would be a little stronger if the performance and result had happened playing the same players and formation that we've been struggling with the last couple of months. It wasn't, it was largely due to changes that the doom and gloom merchants have been saying were needed. Well done to Parky and the team today, i'm chuffed to bits for them (especially Parky as i want him to succed) as well as for us, but i fail to see how anyone can use todays game/result as an example that everything was alright and that people were wrong to moan and be worried.
Was Parky's criticism of the players warranted, yes it was. Was our criticism of Parky warranted, most definitely. There is nothing wrong with criticism, so long as it is justified and constructive. Abusive personal attacks on players or management will get us no where, but I think yesterday proved that a kick up the backside does nobody any harm once in a while.
I'm just going to copy what I put on the other thread:
Glad to see Parky making some changes after the dross of the last 4 games. I watched on Bet365 and I thought Bailey in particular was magnificent. Excellent performance.
I think it wrong however to criticise people who were moaning on here last week. They were after all moaning after 4 absolutely diabolical performances. We need the next three performances to be as good as yesterday just to make up for them.
I don't know if I'm supposed to be one of these moaners that lots of people choose to slag off but even if I'm not I'm writing now to stick up for them. They were right to moan -it wasn't good enough, and one excellent performance will mean nothing if we slip back into such lacklustre, lazy rubbish.
All that being said, well done to the team and if you play like that every week then no reasonable person will moan on here even if we lose.
Just for the record here, I'm not slagging off people who like a moan - all are fully entitled to there opinion and much of the negative points have been fair and valid. I' personally just felt that public opinion about the quality of our team swung too far too quickly after a few bad games - the majority seemed to feel that the bad games were the guaranteed norm from here on in and that the good stuff that had gone before was just a fluke. Solid performances like the Huddersfield and Leeds games from just a couple of weeks previously were being completely overlooked and the whole of the previous 2 months condemed as a complete disaster. It was all a misrepresentation of what actually happened.
Last thing I want is for everyone to agree but, in the wider world as well, too many extreme opinions tend to end up ruining it for the rest of us.
Great result and the lads did brilliantly and really hope that it will kickstart and winning streak.
But Jesus christ it was one win and i still dont take back anything Ive said about parky being wrong for us and there being major problems at the club whether it makes me negative, pessamistic or doom- mongering or just a realist.
This past couple of weeks have really shown me how fickle, spineless and sheep- like a lot of our followers are and how debate via such mediums is more of a popularity contest than a platform for independent thought, well reasoned debate and logical argument rather than petty point scoring.
Every one is being sick in their y fronts about yesterday and rightly so but to say that it is more than a one off than our performance was last sunday is very blinkered and hypocritical.
Anyway had enough of venting my spleen with keyboard warriors who havent got a clue but get some perverse sense of power from making snidey comments on internet forums so will leave the whole posting on forum things here as its all pretty embarrassing.
Is everyone missing the point here? As SoundAsa has clarified, this thread was directed at those who signed up to abuse, rant, swear etc - all excessively - after the Northwich game. Not those with constructive criticisms etc, or the general moaners to whom we have become accustomed (joke). (sort of )
NIGEL - I struggle to see how it is puerile either. Nor how the Kipling quote has any real significance here, other than to support the premise of this thread in the first place: to highlight that those small band of excessive doom and gloom merchants (not people like you), only use the forum to mouth off and vent spleen unnecessarily and somewhat prematurely after a bad result and a few bad performances.
Yes, we all accept SoundAs's clarification - and very welcome it was.
Si you claim ''...the premise of this thread in the first place'' was ''to highlight that those small band of excessive doom and gloom merchants.''
Just unfortunate, then, that the heading on the thread did not address a ''small band'' but was dedicated to ""ALL the doom and gloom merchants'', who were then told to crawl back into the woodwork.
I took that as provocative and looking for a reaction, as did others, quite reasonably so, IMO. But as I have said, I accept the much-needed subsequent clarification.
[cite]Posted By: nigel w[/cite]Yes, we all accept SoundAs's clarification - and very welcome it was.
Si you claim ''...the premise of this thread in the first place'' was ''to highlight that those small band of excessive doom and gloom merchants.''
Just unfortunate, then, that the heading on the thread did not address a ''small band'' but was dedicated to ""ALL the doom and gloom merchants'', who were then told to crawl back into the woodwork.
I took that as provocative and looking for a reaction, as did others, quite reasonably so, IMO. But as I have said, I accept the much-needed subsequent clarification.
Fair dos. But surely by this reasoning, you consider yourself a 'doom and gloom merchant'?
''But surely by this reasoning, you consider yourself a 'doom and gloom merchant'?''
No, but I have certainly been called such, as have many other reasonable posters who expressed serious concerns on here recently over our loss of form...
[cite]Posted By: nigel w[/cite]''But surely by this reasoning, you consider yourself a 'doom and gloom merchant'?''
No, but I have certainly been called such, as have many other reasonable posters who expressed serious concerns on here recently over our loss of form...
Don't listen to them - they wouldn't know a 'doom and gloom merchant' from a 'constructive criticiser' if one smacked them in the face. Lol.
No I know, was only playing. Broken down, I see that the criticism of recent performances is valid. But I consider that bad form is to be expected, and as such certainly accepted, especially because of the wonderful start and current league position. If it lasted for too long, and consequently the position suffered considerably, we should start asking questions then. But hopefully after yesterday that need will not arise for some time yet, if ever.
Either way, let's all moan and rose tint (a new verb) together in harmony. Especially after days like yesterday.
sound as, people are entitled to be pissed off the last few performances av been f---ing awful even u must av been pissed off i for 1 definately was, look this league isnt the greatest and we av some nice footballers in our team but sometimes they have to stand up and show some bottle which i feel the team has been lacking, we have to earn the right to play football so the players must realise they av to do the graft and put the effort in yesterday v mk dons they did that battled it out in the 1st half and then played some nice stuff in the 2nd half even Lloyd sam got booked for a tackle which is very unlike him ,fans want commitment and in recent weeks it hasnt been happening lets hope yesterday kicks starts our season again.
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NIGEL - I struggle to see how it is puerile either. Nor how the Kipling quote has any real significance here, other than to support the premise of this thread in the first place: to highlight that those small band of excessive doom and gloom merchants (not people like you), only use the forum to mouth off and vent spleen unnecessarily and somewhat prematurely after a bad result and a few bad performances.
I wasn't sure either, but didn't want to seem like a moron if I was missing the point! I called for constructive debate, rather than being terribly reactionary, which could constitute keeping a level head in both 'triumph and disaster'. So perhaps you were agreeing with me Nigel, I think?
[cite]Posted By: RodneyCharltonTrotta[/cite]Great result and the lads did brilliantly and really hope that it will kickstart and winning streak.
But Jesus christ it was one win and i still dont take back anything Ive said about parky being wrong for us and there being major problems at the club whether it makes me negative, pessamistic or doom- mongering or just a realist.
Has anyone actually said you should? This thread was directed at those who only signed up to vent, not posters that have made some reasonable and largely accurate observations.
Every one is being sick in their y fronts about yesterday and rightly so but to say that it is more than a one off than our performance was last sunday is very blinkered and hypocritical.
I totally agree, it'd be just as bad to get carried away. But I haven't actually noticed anyone saying we're a cert for the league, or that all our problems or over or similar sentiments. Let's flip the situation. If people had signed up to go PARKY FOR ENGLAND, CHARLTON ARE GOING TO WIN THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE after the result today we would, albeit amusedly, be just as scathing of that point of view. There isn't an 'optimists team' and a 'pessimists team', there are those who engage properly in discussion (whatever their views) and there are those who don't, and it is those I think SoundAs was referring to.
I think the desire to tone down those who rant non-constructively is making some reasoned posters (such as yourself) feel like you are caught in the crossfire, and I really don't think you are. Here in Leeds I get a lot of my Charlton input from some of the excellent comments on this board, positive and negative, and that's why I'm all for trying to eliminate pointless ranting that threatens to drown them out.
[cite]Posted By: RodneyCharltonTrotta[/cite]Every one is being sick in their y fronts about yesterday and rightly so but to say that it is more than a one off than our performance was last sunday is very blinkered and hypocritical.
I totally agree, it'd be just as bad to get carried away. But I haven't actually noticed anyone saying we're a cert for the league, or that all our problems or over or similar sentiments. Let's flip the situation. If people had signed up to go PARKY FOR ENGLAND, CHARLTON ARE GOING TO WIN THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE after the result today we would, albeit amusedly, be just as scathing of that point of view. There isn't an 'optimists team' and a 'pessimists team', there are those who engage properly in discussion (whatever their views) and there are those who don't, and it is those I think SoundAs was referring to.
I think the desire to tone down those who rant non-constructively is making some reasoned posters (such as yourself) feel like you are caught in the crossfire, and I really don't think you are. Here in Leeds I get a lot of my Charlton input from some of the excellent comments on this board, positive and negative, and that's why I'm all for trying to eliminate pointless ranting that threatens to drown them out.
It isn't just new posters, some people are sooo biased, unless it's a joke with no smiley.
Seth Plum said on the player ratings thread :-
"Parkinson 8 but he can still f*ck off asap, controversial i know, but the Northwich game did it for me, the only way he can redeem himself is two successive promotions, however judging on results we won and won well."
So to address one FA Cup defeat we need to be promoted twice ?
Going to both the Carlisle and Vics matches was a bit depressing but after 40 years of watching Charlton not suprising ,what I found really depressing was the OTT responses on here. I didnt go on to the site for 5 days why should I, to read bitter rantings. Last season despite the woeful form, Charlton Life was a good site to visit, to share Charlton anguish, laughter and so much more. I know many posters who are no longer on here because of the negativity. I really hope that whatever form Charlton are showing on the pitch that Charlton Life mangages to be more then a platform for negative rantings and continues the incredible variety of postings that has made it so popular up to now.
Am I one of the people this is being directed at ? I always tell it as I see it,when we play shite I say so when we play well I say so ,I haven't posted since yesterday as I have been hungover as AFKA,KETMAN & WSS can vouvh for as I could hardly speak when I saw them in the cons.
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He did and all credit to him and the players. Sam Sodje is a legend!
The thing is AA, the 'general malaise' of the past 8 weeks has always been a bit of a myth. True we went of the boil a bit at Gills and were positively stone cold by the time Northwich came around, but that's only 3 weeks and 4 games - all away from home.
For example, our record against teams in the, current, top half is as follows:
Won 3 (Dons & Hudds h, Hartlepool a)
Drawn 2 (Leeds & Norwich a)
Lost 1 (Colchester a)
That's a very solid record, especially when you consider only 2 have been at home and 5 of the six we've played occupy places in the top 6. Seeing as we've been under a malaise for the past 2 months, we presumably must have secured these respectable results before this malaise took hold... oh but hang on... the only result which pre-dates this mythical 8 week period is the win away at Hartlepool - the lowest placed of the 6 teams.
We've been rubbish in our last couple of outings, but the length and depth of the slump has been massively overstated.
I don't doubt it Carly, but imo a few people have made a bit of a tit of themselves over the last week. Hopefully now they've been cheered up a bit today they'll be able to take a step back, breath and realise they over reacted - the Valley will be a much happier place if, as AA says, we all don't get too angry when we're down and don't allow ourselves to get too carried away when we're up or at least save the anger for a proper crisis, and lord knows you're average Addick knows only too well what a genuine, bona fide crisis looks like.
What HAS irked me the last week or so is the couple of plums who have signed up on here simply to throw a load of invective around. I note, with interest, that they're absent tonight. Seriously - can anyone else not have noticed them posting in amongst the semi-regular glass-half-empty mob after the Northwich and Sarfampton games? I still think that they were either Charlie Block in disguise, or refugees from an even more suicidally depressing Addicks board that must have been down for a few days.
To those bell-ends I say: "You're not singing any more"
Now watch us lose three on the spin then get mullered by the Spanners
Now watch us lose three on the spin then get mullered by the Spanners :o) <---- Soooo true funny how it seems. . . . . . .
How many happy clappers going to Yeovil?
Sorry, just realized it wasn't actually a question...........
;-)
Great stuff today, obviously, but I'm not going to turn my entire opinion around on it.
I'd imagine a number of folk who'll try and point-score on the back of it will be those that demanded we stuck with a failing 4-5-1 and that failed to spot the second half turn around at Leeds largely came from flipping Racon and Bailey (which to be fair it's taken a while to peculate with Parky too). Anyway, I'm descending to the same pathetic point-scoring levels myself. Great win, great performance. Competition for places up front. All is well in the world. Apart from the shitty keeper, but it wouldn't be Charlton if we didn't have a little tension
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Was our criticism of Parky warranted, most definitely. There is nothing wrong with criticism, so long as it is justified and constructive.
Abusive personal attacks on players or management will get us no where, but I think yesterday proved that a kick up the backside does nobody any harm once in a while.
Glad to see Parky making some changes after the dross of the last 4 games. I watched on Bet365 and I thought Bailey in particular was magnificent. Excellent performance.
I think it wrong however to criticise people who were moaning on here last week. They were after all moaning after 4 absolutely diabolical performances. We need the next three performances to be as good as yesterday just to make up for them.
I don't know if I'm supposed to be one of these moaners that lots of people choose to slag off but even if I'm not I'm writing now to stick up for them. They were right to moan -it wasn't good enough, and one excellent performance will mean nothing if we slip back into such lacklustre, lazy rubbish.
All that being said, well done to the team and if you play like that every week then no reasonable person will moan on here even if we lose.
Last thing I want is for everyone to agree but, in the wider world as well, too many extreme opinions tend to end up ruining it for the rest of us.
But Jesus christ it was one win and i still dont take back anything Ive said about parky being wrong for us and there being major problems at the club whether it makes me negative, pessamistic or doom- mongering or just a realist.
This past couple of weeks have really shown me how fickle, spineless and sheep- like a lot of our followers are and how debate via such mediums is more of a popularity contest than a platform for independent thought, well reasoned debate and logical argument rather than petty point scoring.
Every one is being sick in their y fronts about yesterday and rightly so but to say that it is more than a one off than our performance was last sunday is very blinkered and hypocritical.
Anyway had enough of venting my spleen with keyboard warriors who havent got a clue but get some perverse sense of power from making snidey comments on internet forums so will leave the whole posting on forum things here as its all pretty embarrassing.
As for doom amd gloom -- well how long have people been screaming for Bailey to play down the middle ? he did yesterday and wa MOtM.
moaning after what we have just been through ------------------ surely not !! FFS
Praise when we play well etc -- of course.
NIGEL - I struggle to see how it is puerile either. Nor how the Kipling quote has any real significance here, other than to support the premise of this thread in the first place: to highlight that those small band of excessive doom and gloom merchants (not people like you), only use the forum to mouth off and vent spleen unnecessarily and somewhat prematurely after a bad result and a few bad performances.
Si you claim ''...the premise of this thread in the first place'' was ''to highlight that those small band of excessive doom and gloom merchants.''
Just unfortunate, then, that the heading on the thread did not address a ''small band'' but was dedicated to ""ALL the doom and gloom merchants'', who were then told to crawl back into the woodwork.
I took that as provocative and looking for a reaction, as did others, quite reasonably so, IMO. But as I have said, I accept the much-needed subsequent clarification.
Fair dos. But surely by this reasoning, you consider yourself a 'doom and gloom merchant'?
No, but I have certainly been called such, as have many other reasonable posters who expressed serious concerns on here recently over our loss of form...
Don't listen to them - they wouldn't know a 'doom and gloom merchant' from a 'constructive criticiser' if one smacked them in the face. Lol.
No I know, was only playing. Broken down, I see that the criticism of recent performances is valid. But I consider that bad form is to be expected, and as such certainly accepted, especially because of the wonderful start and current league position. If it lasted for too long, and consequently the position suffered considerably, we should start asking questions then. But hopefully after yesterday that need will not arise for some time yet, if ever.
Either way, let's all moan and rose tint (a new verb) together in harmony. Especially after days like yesterday.
I wasn't sure either, but didn't want to seem like a moron if I was missing the point!
Has anyone actually said you should? This thread was directed at those who only signed up to vent, not posters that have made some reasonable and largely accurate observations.
I totally agree, it'd be just as bad to get carried away. But I haven't actually noticed anyone saying we're a cert for the league, or that all our problems or over or similar sentiments. Let's flip the situation. If people had signed up to go PARKY FOR ENGLAND, CHARLTON ARE GOING TO WIN THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE after the result today we would, albeit amusedly, be just as scathing of that point of view. There isn't an 'optimists team' and a 'pessimists team', there are those who engage properly in discussion (whatever their views) and there are those who don't, and it is those I think SoundAs was referring to.
I think the desire to tone down those who rant non-constructively is making some reasoned posters (such as yourself) feel like you are caught in the crossfire, and I really don't think you are. Here in Leeds I get a lot of my Charlton input from some of the excellent comments on this board, positive and negative, and that's why I'm all for trying to eliminate pointless ranting that threatens to drown them out.
Bang on SA.
Seth Plum said on the player ratings thread :-
"Parkinson 8 but he can still f*ck off asap, controversial i know, but the Northwich game did it for me, the only way he can redeem himself is two successive promotions, however judging on results we won and won well."
So to address one FA Cup defeat we need to be promoted twice ?
sorry mate welll fooking funny comment one of the funniest i have ever read