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Parky - My three growing concerns

edited November 2009 in General Charlton
1. In the last two games in particular, I think he has been too slow to react and make necessary changes. In both games it was clear after the game had settled down that we needed to be playing further up the pitch, yet on both occasions the changes came too late to have any meaningful impact.

2. I really don’t think he knows what to do with JonJo for the best. The split striker role I don’t think is his natural position, particularly as his natural instinct appears to be to drop deeper and be attracted to the ball. Unless he has Burton in front of him occupying the back line, and the midfield behind him dominating possession, it becomes ineffective as he plays too deep, the lone striker becomes too isolated and we don’t get a chance to force play in the final third.

3. With his own style of play, and from how he talks, I expected us after 12 months in the job to be an extremely combative outfit, full of 100%ers, that was difficult to break down. In reality, I can see little difference in the most recent games tactically or in player character than during the Pardew spell.
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  • Bit negative AFKA ;0) but I wholeheartedly argree with it all.
  • Agree with all 3.

    I think he is caught between the extra skill and football that an in form Shelvey and Sam brings and a tighter, tougher team.

    Semedo, Bailey and Racon need to get back to what they can do.
  • oh Gawd, another negative thread !!!

    Seriously, agree with what you say. Whichever way you look at it JonJo is a midfielder and wants the ball. In the hole he is bypassed and he looks like a little boy lost. Once we played 4-4-2 and he dropped back he was far more effective. Racon has been ineffective of late so try Jose and JonJo together. One of Parky's faults is that with subs he is always reactive and never proactive. He needs to start influencing the game more with his subs and realise that he can make them sooner, even at half time if necessary.
  • Not another negative thread...
    Can't you keep it all on ONE thread ?

    ;-)
  • edited November 2009
    To be honest Dan, I thought you'd have had "growing" concerns for quite a few years now!
  • AFKA your not coming over to the dark side are you.........NSS could be laying a place at his table for you on Christmas Day............when the likes of you become concerned the alarm bells are ringing
  • Very hard to disagree AFKA.
  • The only thing I'd disagree with is the timing.

    Commentators often say that good teams win even when they're not playing well. That's true, but they usually have good managers making changes so that they do play well next time and don't need to sneak it. People concentrate too much on results and not enough on root causes. The signs were there for a long time, but we do seem to have hit the slope at a spectacular rate of knots.

    Here's a pure theory:

    I wonder if the Ikeme/Randolph thing lost the dressing room. Darren is a very popular member of the squad by all accounts. From the outside and not knowing him personally I think he's been treated shittily; it's made my opinion of Parky go down significantly. I can imagine his friends and colleagues feel even stronger.
  • [cite]Posted By: WhenIwasLittleBoy[/cite]AFKA your not coming over to the dark side are you
    AFKA! You're my son!
  • I 100% agree with the Randolf/Ikeme thing said it a few weeks back when he went strt in team------- all round a huge mistake.
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  • fricken heck!!!

    you could be right...

    randolph, man, that sucks....
  • Problem is, that managers who loan out players expect them to be played....its a catch 22 situation.

    I particularly agree with 3. Its like being caight up in groundhog day from the season before last....
  • interesting when standing on Carlisle station Parky had a few words with a few charlton as he waited for train to go to visit family ....one thing he said was he had said to randolph he could go in new year he owed it to him........now things may have changed since Randolh had played the last few games so bringing Ikeme in may be a cunning plane by Parky who knows ?
  • 1. Whilst I agree with the first point I would also counter by saying that on Saturday, if nothing else as the game drew into its final stages the players should've woken up and been more than capable of getting a goal or two - and if Shelvey or McLeod had scored it might have been the boost they need to kick on a bit in the next few games. I didn't watch last night.

    2. Agree.

    3. On a zero budget those are the sort of players he bought into defence - Sodje, Dailly, Llera, Richardson - and generally this season they have made a significant difference. I think most of us have been, over the course of the season not just the last three games, been very impressed with our defence.
  • Something has happened since Huddersfield at home, a game we would have lost last season, where we grafted and eventually prevailed.

    I wasn't too concerned about Gillingham as they are a decent side at this level in their own back yard and we put the work in. Frustrating not to get all 3 having taken the lead but, be honest, there was a huge slice of luck to get the lead so things evened out.

    I started to worry a little after reading Carlisle reports from the likes of Weegie whose views I respect (even though she's a girl:-) ) stating that the effort and application was missing. The Northwich game emphatically confirmed that. I didn't see last night's match so cannot comment but we definitely need to get back the working for each other ethos that was prevalent earlier in the season.

    Hard to know why it has gone. Elliot and Richardson are missing and both seem honest committed pros. Perhaps the replacements are less so and thus their lethargy affects the others.

    Whatever the reason Parky and Kinsella have got to get them working harder.
  • [cite]Posted By: AFKABartram[/cite]3. With his own style of play, and from how he talks, I expected us after 12 months in the job to be an extremely combative outfit, full of 100%ers, that was difficult to break down. In reality, I can see little difference in the most recent games tactically or in player character than during the Pardew spell.

    exactly ... parky WAS part of the original problem ... so maybe he wasn't just a wallflower for 18 months
  • [cite]Posted By: Miserableold-ish git[/cite]Not another negative thread...
    Can't you keep it all on ONE thread ?

    ;-)

    Ha ha!

    But it is a good constructive negative thread, lol
  • Where to play Jonjo is an issue. From watching both the last two games I'm amazed how deep he comes to get the ball. The same is true to a degree with Sam - sometimes he's trying to dribble the ball from his own penalty area but that is probably as much to do with the defensive duties expected of him.

    The one thing our midfield simply don't do is make 3rd man runs. Semedo scored from Burton's back heel but I honestly can't recall any of our midfield 5 getting beyond Burton with a serious scoring opportunity. And if we have no pace up front and our winger(s) have stopped delivering crosses then we really have to start making those runs. Are the likes of Racon, Semedo and Bailey just too cautious?
  • agree to a degree, all those points afka

    Definately slow to react to make subs, needs to grow a bit of backbone there and make them at half time or the minute it looks like we are not getting hold of it

    Bit confused why of late we keep lumping the ball out there?? as wen we were winning we were playing the ball to feet and when we lump it we then give the other team posession and the mommentum, in fairness this is a pet hate in all football for me and teams always tend to play better on floor unless your bolton or you got someone like ibrahimovic up front eg. that can win headers and has skill and technical ability to hold up the ball
  • Can't argue to much with that. I think Jonjo has been pretty poor all season. I'd give him a go playing centre mid. I'd also ditch Lloyd Sam who seems to have tossed it off as of late.

    Midfield four (right to left) Bailey, Semedo, JonJo, Racon. All may be centre mids, but wouldn't be the first time we've had this. I seem to remember Curbs doing it in the prem with Holland, Parker, Euell & Stuart. In fact, wasn't that the same midfield we beat Chelsea 4-2 with on Boxing Day?
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  • [cite]Posted By: AFKABartram[/cite]1. In the last two games in particular, I think he has been too slow to react and make necessary changes. In both games it was clear after the game had settled down that we needed to be playing further up the pitch, yet on both occasions the changes came too late to have any meaningful impact.

    2. I really don’t think he knows what to do with JonJo for the best. The split striker role I don’t think is his natural position, particularly as his natural instinct appears to be to drop deeper and be attracted to the ball. Unless he has Burton in front of him occupying the back line, and the midfield behind him dominating possession, it becomes ineffective as he plays too deep, the lone striker becomes too isolated and we don’t get a chance to force play in the final third.

    3. With his own style of play, and from how he talks, I expected us after 12 months in the job to be an extremely combative outfit, full of 100%ers, that was difficult to break down. In reality, I can see little difference in the most recent games tactically or in player character than during the Pardew spell.

    In my opinion, its not just the last two games he has been slow to react but ever since he took over the reins. Hence, we have played a considerable amount of games when we have been leading, 1-0 or 2-0 only to have drawn those games. This is because tactically he does not know at what stage in a game to change things around. A very poor manager!
  • [cite]Posted By: AFKABartram[/cite]1. In the last two games in particular, I think he has been too slow to react and make necessary changes. In both games it was clear after the game had settled down that we needed to be playing further up the pitch, yet on both occasions the changes came too late to have any meaningful impact.

    2. I really don’t think he knows what to do with JonJo for the best. The split striker role I don’t think is his natural position, particularly as his natural instinct appears to be to drop deeper and be attracted to the ball. Unless he has Burton in front of him occupying the back line, and the midfield behind him dominating possession, it becomes ineffective as he plays too deep, the lone striker becomes too isolated and we don’t get a chance to force play in the final third.

    3. With his own style of play, and from how he talks, I expected us after 12 months in the job to be an extremely combative outfit, full of 100%ers, that was difficult to break down. In reality, I can see little difference in the most recent games tactically or in player character than during the Pardew spell.

    AFKA you must be reading my mind. I agree 100%.

    1.It was obvious on Sunday after 20 mins he needed to change things and didn't.
    Last night it was the same and he should have gone 4-4-2 at half time, as we had no goal threat. I said to CE jnr that he'd wait until we went 2-0 down and lost the game before he brought on McKenzie and Burton. Surprise surprise he did.

    2. We now need to play 4-4-2 or even try 5-3-2 with Richardson & Youga as attacking wing backs and play the 3 centre halves.
    4-5-1 is no longer working and Shelvey may as well not be out there because the games are by passing him (not his fault) .

    3.Agreed was thinking the same.
  • edited November 2009
    [cite]Posted By: Jason1[/cite] we have played a considerable amount of games when we have been leading, 1-0 or 2-0 only to have drawn those games.
    depends whether you think two games constitute a considerable amount of games? (Norwich and Gillingham away)

    ENG/D2/ptslost.html
  • [cite]Posted By: Salad[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: Jason1[/cite]we have played a considerable amount of games when we have been leading, 1-0 or 2-0 only to have drawn those games.
    depends whether you think two games constitute a considerable amount of games? (Norwich and Gillingham away)

    http://stats.football365.com/dom/ENG/D2/ptslost.html

    How many last season?
  • loads - but the defence has been really beefed up on Bosmans since then.
  • Curbishley was master at consolidation even at 1-0 up. He would change the team around and stiffle the game frustrating the opposition even when the oppo were on top.
  • there were plenty of games in which that was true and just as many when it wasn't

    http://stats.football365.com/2003/ENG/PR/ptslost.html
  • [cite]Posted By: Salad[/cite]there were plenty of games in which that was true and just as many when it wasn't

    http://stats.football365.com/2003/ENG/PR/ptslost.html

    Would like some of it from Parkinson though.
  • Rather than defending a lead, I think the problem is more about getting a lead in the first place!
  • [cite]Posted By: Salad[/cite]Rather than defending a lead, I think the problem is more about getting a lead in the first place!

    Certainly at the moment it is. I think we need to start 2 up front to stand any chance of taking a lead. I'm fed up with the negative tactics of Parkinson and the lack of goals as a result. We need to stick with 4-4-2 until the team are comfortable with it. If we go a goal up or two in the final third of the game, change to 4-5-1 in my opinion.
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