[cite]Posted By: bibble[/cite]~Jim The joy for NV is it keeps them in business like getting in the Championship OR Prem helps keeps a club our size in business.
That might be the joy for the owner/chairman, but trust me, the fans' joy is in seeing the team pitting its footballing wits against higher opposition. Even for a team in such dire straits financially as we've been lately, the money is a welcome extra rather than the main motivator. I've said it on here before, we always rise to big games - and we did that today, whereas for some of your players it seems on their performance on the pitch it wasn't worth the effort.
When it comes to the season as a whole, no the FA Cup doesn't matter. Whatever team we put out should have played better than that, never mind one with several first choice players. We barely got any passing going or had a decent shot on target.
What Len said really, it was the manner of the defeat that mattered.
I think this matters a real lot. Not just the loss today, but a cup record which for the past 52 years has been poor, poor, poor. Yes, you are right that the cup has been devalued in recent years. Yes, it is won these days by only a handful of clubs. But no, that does not mean we can shrug our shoulders and say it’s not important. Because the whole point of any knock out competition is not to say that if you don't win it, its pointless. The whole point is to get as far as you can. OK, it may be foolish to expect to win it. But it is quite realistic to expect a club of our stature to make a few quarter-finals, maybe a semi once or twice and why not a place in the final? After all the spanners have done that in recent years, so why can't we? For too many years we've struggled against opposition we have no right to struggle against. For too many years we've got knocked out in the 3rd round. We'll we've surpassed ourselves now haven't we? The dream just died at the first hurdle in the most meek and pathetic way.
Every now and then there is a discussion around why our support isn't all it should be; or why our away support isn't all it should be. A club with our history and our catchment area should have more support. Well let me tell you a reason why I think it's never been as good as it might - because the cup runs just haven't been there. Generations of would-be fans have grown up with nothing to get them excited, with no prospect of that elusive trip to Wembley. I am absolutely convinced that a few good years in the cup could have expanded the number of people who consider themselves to be Charlton. Let’s face it, just today there is bound to be some little kid somewhere who sat in front of the tele (or perhaps even travelled) to watch their first Charlton game. What could have been an entertaining game with a fine win under our belts, would for them quite possibly be their last game as well. That was a good opportunity today to get potential supporters interested, watch the game on the tele, get junior keen on the team and then watch the draw straight afterwards – if the little one enjoyed it enough it could have lead to a trip to The Valley to watch us play Lincoln. But no, because the team fucked it up big time.
We should all want us to get as far as we possibly can every year in the cup. We might not win it, but is a good run too much to ask? Our league position may not be that grand at the moment, but in terms of stature I'd think that we would probably average out over the seasons at being about the 30th biggest club in the country - that being the case, I don't think it's too much to expect to aim to be in the final 16 every other year. But our record is sadly nothing like this good.
The fact is that whether it has been devalued or not, the FA Cup is the most prestigious cup that our club has entered in every year we’ve been in it. And, there is a good chance that it will be the most prestigious cup competition we will ever enter. Care? Well, I bloody well do!
Getting back to this Cup campaign, the FA Cup 2009-10, it is a very important result. We've been in a poor run of form lately and this was a chance to put out a strong team and inject a bit of confidence in the team before the big match against MK Dons. In that context, a win would've been crucial.
We were never going to win the FA Cup, and in the grand scheme of things, I won't care about this result at the end of the season if we finish in the top 2, but if this current slump continues and results in us dropping out of the running for promotion, I'll look back at one November Sunday in Cheshire as a pivotal moment in the season.
Of course, this could be the kick up the backside the team needed, which could help in the league campaign. If that happens, I'd be happy enough to give the Vics plenty of attention, another big Cup match and take our place next season in the Championship. But that league campaign doesn't look too good right now.
I am not going to over react, we were never going to go far in the comp anyway, only hope was a glamour tie at home in 3rd round, but that was a total disgrace of a performance yesterday, and those players should be hanging their heads in shame this morning, only person with any credit is Dailly, the rest were bloody awful.
Parky can rant and rave all he likes, but even his face and body langauge before kick off was dour & gloomy, for all to see on the TV, methinks all is not well in the dressing room for whatever reason.
Easy to say I really care as obviously I'm looking at it from a green and white perspective. Really cared last year when an absolutely abysmal display (and I informed the players of my disappointment in no uncertain terms at the time) against AFC Telford robbed us of a First Round tie at home to Southend.
It's not just about losing the game, although that in itself is bad enough to take. It's not even losing to non league opposition for the first time in our history, and that really hurts.
It's also, if other Div 1 clubs were watching that match on Sunday do you think they would say 'Oh dear, they're saving themselves for the league' or 'Bloody hell, they're pants, we can take them if we're up for it'
We can expect EVERYONE we play from now on to be up for it and will look on beating Charlton as a big scalp there for the taking.
So, we may not have won the cup but it's not just about winning the thing.
I think if you asked the Board they'd say it matters. What if we got to the 3rd Round and a tie away at OT ? A 70k crowd could mean close to 400k plus to the Club. So yes it really does matter. And that is without the fact that some of us bothered to travel and spend money to watch it. So yes it matters. Ok, we were never going to win it but neither is half the PL but it could have been a moneyspinner plus a good win yesterday would have boosted confidence, taken into Wednesday maybe another win and then we could look forward with optimism to MKD. Now, Saints will batter us and we'll go into the MKD game low on confidence and heading for another fall.
The FA Cup is something special - look at Norwich's reaction to winning. We would feel the same had we beaten a team well above us in the League standings andw could have been in that position in January.
It can mean a lot of money to a club which hasn't got much and that is where we are right now. A good Cup run lifts the supporters and should lift the players too. Morale must be rock bottom and that isn't going to help us win against MK Dons on Saturday. If we lose against Southampton on Wednesday, which on yesterday's effort seems quite likely, it is going to be even harder to start winning in the league.
SHELLSHOCKED Charlton boss Phil Parkinson said his players lacked the stomach for a fight after they crashed out of the FA Cup at Northwich.
The Addicks’ boss blamed the visitors’ attitude for their inept performance after Wayne Riley’s late winner inflicted a first ever defeat against a non-league team on the men from the Valley.
“We didn’t turn up,” he said.
“I think Northwich wanted to win the game more than we did.
“We had spoken all week to the players about what would be required to win a match like this and they simply haven’t done it.”
Charlton, currently second in League One behind Leeds United, failed to force Vics keeper Curtis Aspden to make a single save.
Their best chance, when top scorer Deon Burton had a clear sight of goal midway through the second half, saw Vics captain Ian Herring block brilliantly.
Parkinson said: “We were second best all over the pitch.
“They won the 50-50 challenges and we didn’t at any point show any of the quality that we have through the rest of the season.
“We’ve taken plaudits this season when we’ve won and played well but we have to take this defeat squarely on the chin.
“Everybody has to look at what happened, from me to the coaching staff and through the team, to find out what went wrong.”
The visitors’ inability to deal with Herring’s long throws or Lee Elam’s corners, particularly in the first half, saw Vics go close more than once.
Keeper Darren Randolph, only playing because on-loan custodian Chris Ikeme was not allowed to play and first choice number one Rob Elliot was injured, saved them twice.
First he tipped over Mat Bailey’s header from an Elam flag kick, then pawed Michael Connor’s effort out of the bottom corner after Bailey had flicked on Herring’s throw.
“I felt we handled the long throws and free kicks a lot better in the second half,” added Parkinson.
“But one moment, one header, where there was a lack of communication in our defence has allowed their guy to run clean through.
“It’s just a very disappointing day. We need a response and quickly.
“Every player needs to roll up their sleeves and react next time we play. We can perform much better than we’ve shown today.
“It’s a low point and our dressing place was a horrible place to be after the game.”
The fact that this titled post has cropped up has really irked me.
What appears to have become fashion amongst some of our support is the shrugging of shoulders to the concept that we should just 'accept' it and almost pretend it never happened. Sorry, but not me. Where's the pride?
It's been said a million times already, but we were toe-curlingly bad yesterday and just plainly outplayed against a limited but commited non league outfit.
I was up at Carlisle last week and we looked completely toothless with no invention at all in the final third. I refuse to panic/overreact but we are on a pretty slippery slope right now with not a lot else in the squad to call on for ideas or change.
I'll be there Wednesday looking for a big reaction and I'm hoping some of the fringe players can prove me wrong.
Bibble, The one thing that is extremely important is the club making revenue to buy better players in January to help a promotion push, (if we haven't blown it by then.) the FA Cup was a way of doing this.
Therefore everyone should care for that reason alone.
I am a traditionalist with regard to football and the FA Cup is the most exciting cup competition in the world as far as I am concerned. Of course we were never going to win it from round 1, but every round brings in extra revenue.
This defeat has also shown that the failings of the last 3-4 seasons have not been eradicated which in itself is worrying.
The club's stature has also fallen further, which neither entices prospective buyers or endeers getting the lost fans back to the Valley. More money lost.
I love the FA cup and the lost meant a great deal to me, however, Histon beat Leeds last season and Leeds are flying this season. I didn't expect us to win promotion at the first attempt before the start of the season.
Anyone who saw any of the following surely wouldn't subscribe to the view that the FA Cups not important;
Ipswich 1983 Tottenham 1985 Blackburn, Bristol City, Manchester Utd 1994 Sheff Wed 1996
We weren't a Premiership side for any of those either. It's not all about the league.....it about great matches that you'll never forget! (including the onesyou lose too).
I haven't read all the posts on this thread, just skimmed a few so forgive me if I am repeating anything but surely it would be great for the club both financially and on a morale level to have gone on a decent cup run because- shock horror we are not a well off club at the mo and a couple of games against decent opposition would have helped both the coffers and the clubs profile. Yesterday's spineless shower of shite does nothing for either and if someone was interested in buying the club- yesterday- whilst not putting them off entirely would nevertheless not have helped us any.
just cos we had no chance of winning it doesn't mean it doesn't matter .... we have a good chance of winning the jpt but i know which ones result means more and isn't the painting competition
Those who think Sunday was a 'disgrace' etc..... Do you think some of the wild overreaction to the result will help our cause in getting promotion? Don't get me wrong, it was a poor result and the team are going through a sticky patch in the league, as every team does. Even promotion winning sides. But to me it seems like some fans can't wait to stick the knife into PP, RM and Charlton in general. I just don't get that.
i think we will win saturday,but away from home i see little chance,i also will wager anyone that they will go missing in are real derby on the 19th,people like sam and mcleod will be tucked up warm in some millwall players pocket.where are the characters?
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That might be the joy for the owner/chairman, but trust me, the fans' joy is in seeing the team pitting its footballing wits against higher opposition. Even for a team in such dire straits financially as we've been lately, the money is a welcome extra rather than the main motivator. I've said it on here before, we always rise to big games - and we did that today, whereas for some of your players it seems on their performance on the pitch it wasn't worth the effort.
to us mate, not to the blokes we had strolling around in replica shirts on that green thing today
What Len said really, it was the manner of the defeat that mattered.
Every now and then there is a discussion around why our support isn't all it should be; or why our away support isn't all it should be. A club with our history and our catchment area should have more support. Well let me tell you a reason why I think it's never been as good as it might - because the cup runs just haven't been there. Generations of would-be fans have grown up with nothing to get them excited, with no prospect of that elusive trip to Wembley. I am absolutely convinced that a few good years in the cup could have expanded the number of people who consider themselves to be Charlton. Let’s face it, just today there is bound to be some little kid somewhere who sat in front of the tele (or perhaps even travelled) to watch their first Charlton game. What could have been an entertaining game with a fine win under our belts, would for them quite possibly be their last game as well. That was a good opportunity today to get potential supporters interested, watch the game on the tele, get junior keen on the team and then watch the draw straight afterwards – if the little one enjoyed it enough it could have lead to a trip to The Valley to watch us play Lincoln. But no, because the team fucked it up big time.
We should all want us to get as far as we possibly can every year in the cup. We might not win it, but is a good run too much to ask? Our league position may not be that grand at the moment, but in terms of stature I'd think that we would probably average out over the seasons at being about the 30th biggest club in the country - that being the case, I don't think it's too much to expect to aim to be in the final 16 every other year. But our record is sadly nothing like this good.
The fact is that whether it has been devalued or not, the FA Cup is the most prestigious cup that our club has entered in every year we’ve been in it. And, there is a good chance that it will be the most prestigious cup competition we will ever enter. Care? Well, I bloody well do!
Congratulations on today, and good luck for the rest of the comp.
Getting back to this Cup campaign, the FA Cup 2009-10, it is a very important result. We've been in a poor run of form lately and this was a chance to put out a strong team and inject a bit of confidence in the team before the big match against MK Dons. In that context, a win would've been crucial.
We were never going to win the FA Cup, and in the grand scheme of things, I won't care about this result at the end of the season if we finish in the top 2, but if this current slump continues and results in us dropping out of the running for promotion, I'll look back at one November Sunday in Cheshire as a pivotal moment in the season.
Of course, this could be the kick up the backside the team needed, which could help in the league campaign. If that happens, I'd be happy enough to give the Vics plenty of attention, another big Cup match and take our place next season in the Championship. But that league campaign doesn't look too good right now.
Although we are doing it a bit earlier this time round.....
I wonder if Parkies had used the hairdryer yet?
man its looking a bit dark, but a result against MK Dons and it could be happier days.....
Come on Parky earn your money....
Sorry.
Parky can rant and rave all he likes, but even his face and body langauge before kick off was dour & gloomy, for all to see on the TV, methinks all is not well in the dressing room for whatever reason.
I'm glad to see that someone else is on my wavelength.
It's not just about losing the game, although that in itself is bad enough to take. It's not even losing to non league opposition for the first time in our history, and that really hurts.
It's also, if other Div 1 clubs were watching that match on Sunday do you think they would say 'Oh dear, they're saving themselves for the league' or 'Bloody hell, they're pants, we can take them if we're up for it'
We can expect EVERYONE we play from now on to be up for it and will look on beating Charlton as a big scalp there for the taking.
So, we may not have won the cup but it's not just about winning the thing.
The FA Cup is something special - look at Norwich's reaction to winning. We would feel the same had we beaten a team well above us in the League standings andw could have been in that position in January.
It can mean a lot of money to a club which hasn't got much and that is where we are right now. A good Cup run lifts the supporters and should lift the players too. Morale must be rock bottom and that isn't going to help us win against MK Dons on Saturday. If we lose against Southampton on Wednesday, which on yesterday's effort seems quite likely, it is going to be even harder to start winning in the league.
SHELLSHOCKED Charlton boss Phil Parkinson said his players lacked the stomach for a fight after they crashed out of the FA Cup at Northwich.
The Addicks’ boss blamed the visitors’ attitude for their inept performance after Wayne Riley’s late winner inflicted a first ever defeat against a non-league team on the men from the Valley.
“We didn’t turn up,” he said.
“I think Northwich wanted to win the game more than we did.
“We had spoken all week to the players about what would be required to win a match like this and they simply haven’t done it.”
Charlton, currently second in League One behind Leeds United, failed to force Vics keeper Curtis Aspden to make a single save.
Their best chance, when top scorer Deon Burton had a clear sight of goal midway through the second half, saw Vics captain Ian Herring block brilliantly.
Parkinson said: “We were second best all over the pitch.
“They won the 50-50 challenges and we didn’t at any point show any of the quality that we have through the rest of the season.
“We’ve taken plaudits this season when we’ve won and played well but we have to take this defeat squarely on the chin.
“Everybody has to look at what happened, from me to the coaching staff and through the team, to find out what went wrong.”
The visitors’ inability to deal with Herring’s long throws or Lee Elam’s corners, particularly in the first half, saw Vics go close more than once.
Keeper Darren Randolph, only playing because on-loan custodian Chris Ikeme was not allowed to play and first choice number one Rob Elliot was injured, saved them twice.
First he tipped over Mat Bailey’s header from an Elam flag kick, then pawed Michael Connor’s effort out of the bottom corner after Bailey had flicked on Herring’s throw.
“I felt we handled the long throws and free kicks a lot better in the second half,” added Parkinson.
“But one moment, one header, where there was a lack of communication in our defence has allowed their guy to run clean through.
“It’s just a very disappointing day. We need a response and quickly.
“Every player needs to roll up their sleeves and react next time we play. We can perform much better than we’ve shown today.
“It’s a low point and our dressing place was a horrible place to be after the game.”
What appears to have become fashion amongst some of our support is the shrugging of shoulders to the concept that we should just 'accept' it and almost pretend it never happened. Sorry, but not me. Where's the pride?
It's been said a million times already, but we were toe-curlingly bad yesterday and just plainly outplayed against a limited but commited non league outfit.
I was up at Carlisle last week and we looked completely toothless with no invention at all in the final third. I refuse to panic/overreact but we are on a pretty slippery slope right now with not a lot else in the squad to call on for ideas or change.
I'll be there Wednesday looking for a big reaction and I'm hoping some of the fringe players can prove me wrong.
Down but not defeated Dorset Addick.
Therefore everyone should care for that reason alone.
I am a traditionalist with regard to football and the FA Cup is the most exciting cup competition in the world as far as I am concerned. Of course we were never going to win it from round 1, but every round brings in extra revenue.
This defeat has also shown that the failings of the last 3-4 seasons have not been eradicated which in itself is worrying.
The club's stature has also fallen further, which neither entices prospective buyers or endeers getting the lost fans back to the Valley. More money lost.
Ipswich 1983
Tottenham 1985
Blackburn, Bristol City, Manchester Utd 1994
Sheff Wed 1996
We weren't a Premiership side for any of those either. It's not all about the league.....it about great matches that you'll never forget! (including the onesyou lose too).