[quote][cite]Posted By: boggzy[/cite]But as 'nice' fans, we still won't put ANY pressure on them, as they helped get us back to the Valley, don't you know?
NOTWITHSTANDING the last 4 years of arrogance, lies and contempt they've held us as fans in.
And the people they've employed on the pitch and in the dugout: Mostly complete dross, no team spirit or will to win.
HOW LONG til patience runs out?
MURRAY OUT.[/quote]
The very same board who have dug us out of a hole this year and put 7 million, yes you read it correctly 7 million of their own money into the club to keep it running.
No doubt you'd have been happier to see us sell, on the cheap to a consortium that insisted on administration being part of the deal.
after 4 years of failure,would in a business boardroom they have said after 2 months of improved performances said well done here's a further years contract or would they have said to a manager who had his only success at this level only to be found out where we have just come from,if we go up here's a new contract a a nice little bonus.
Boggzy mate, I can't believe what you've written there.
"But as 'nice' fans, we still won't put ANY pressure on them, as they helped get us back to the Valley, don't you know?
NOTWITHSTANDING the last 4 years of arrogance, lies and contempt they've held us as fans in."
I don't think you can really underplay the valley return, as much as it might piss you off that you believe that this has bought them the loyalty of some fans. No doubt it has, and for a reason. And when has there been arrogance, lies and contempt?
the thread started with the unbelievable decision to give a man a extension of his contract after 2 months of improved performances after not being able to improve the clubs position after 6 months after taking it over !!!!
[cite]Posted By: northstandsteve[/cite]the thread started with the unbelievable decision to give a man a extension of his contract after 2 months of improved performances after not being able to improve the clubs position after 6 months after taking it over !!!!
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I agree that that was a strange move. Not something I would have done. Doesn't mean I would want a new board though. Or that I'd call them 'twats'.
[cite]Posted By: northstandsteve[/cite]You gave him a extra year you twats now pay him off,you have overseen the lowest point of our history.Well done
you may be able to run a business you cant run a football club.
only one twat in this thread mate - and that's you
without this board you wouldn't have a club so try engaging your brain before you type complete and utter nonsense
[cite]Posted By: northstandsteve[/cite]You gave him a extra year you twats now pay him off,you have overseen the lowest point of our history.Well done
you may be able to run a business you cant run a football club.
[cite]Posted By: northstandsteve[/cite]again BFR stay with the subject discuss the decision was it needed.
To be honest Steve, the thread didn't begin with this subject - it began with you slagging off the board, with a brief reference to the contract extension.
again swisdom please explain why we gave him a contract extension after 2 months of improved results and again after 6 months of not being able to improve our position.Discuss
Arrogance: Murray posing in the team photo proudly next to his new appointment Iain Dowie (former Crystal Palace legend). All the spin over the past 4 years (though OK they *are* a business and this is what businesses do. But putting up with this in direct contradiction to the dross we watch week after week). Then sacking him and presiding over the Les Reed debacle (another horrific time).
Lies: "Les Reed is going nowhere", "We will reveal why Dowie was sacked in the next 6 months", "Parkinson will be judged by performances", "Tickets will not go up"....
Contempt: all of the above, not turning up to various meetings etc, the fact that they KEEP employing managers who FAIL to invoke any genuine team spirit. AND NOW GIVING THIS BLOKE ANOTHER CONTRACT AFTER 2 MONTHS OF DECENT RESULTS!!!!!!
I know a lot on here will slate me for my views, and being a forum, it is for die-hard people - who sometimes don't like to admit things are wrong in things that are central to their lives. I remember when we had that 'footballing prolapse' in Curbs' last season, when he had completely lost interest, as had a lot of the players - people who questioned him were slated. Then the penny dropped. Anyway, it's just my opinion, and we're all Charlton, so I'm not going to get involved in slanging matches with ANY fellow Addick on here.
But how can we KEEP putting up with perfgormances like this then watch 'the great games' thing on youtube with Clive, Kinsella, Browny, Robbo ....and see the team spirit and such PASSION..... Can you HONESTLY say you feel the same way about most of the mercenaries we've had in the last 5 years?
getting off the topic discuss why give him his extension when it goes tits up you end up being out of pocket.If we are so skint this competition is so so important.
[cite]Posted By: northstandsteve[/cite]again swisdom please explain why we gave him a contract extension after 2 months of improved results and again after 6 months of not being able to improve our position.Discuss
there was a real risk of Readings job coming up and we perhaps wanted to show him we wanted to keep him and wanted them fended off. How long have we been in talks with Parky? Maybe there was an agreement between him and the board?
There's plenty of reasons to offer him a new deal but we are not privy to all the goings-on at the club so we can't say too much in it.
I fail to see how his contract extention made Darren Randolph grow roots at a crucial time today. Did the contract stop our midfield playing more than 2 passes on succession?
YES he made some bad decisions today YES he failed to motivate our players sufficiently and YES it's a dark day for the club - but this doesn't make the board twats!
Thanks for taking the time to write that Boggzy. I can see where you're coming from, but we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.
I don't deny that RM has made mistakes. That has been done to death on here already so there's no point going over old ground. But I don't think the examples you give really fall into the arrogance/lies/contempt categories. They are all mistakes, and some aren't valid at all in my opinion.
I agree with your third from last paragraph.
At the end of the day, though, I'm much happier with this board than I could be with any other. They also presided over all the good times you allude to, and we know that they know how to run a successful football club. What they have achieved here in the past is remarkaable - and i'm not ashamed to say that that buys them my loyalty. For as long as I'm confident they're doing things for the best of the Club, I always want them in charge. Always.
For me, Murray is a huge part of what Charlton is and represents, and it will be a sad day when he does eventually leave.
[cite]Posted By: northstandsteve[/cite]again BFR stay with the subject discuss the decision was it needed.
Yes it was, let's look at what he's done to date - he had no money to spend, morale was rock bottom and he had to repair a defence that last season was the worst I can ever remember and that soaked up a lot of time scouting replacements etc and competing with a lot of other clubs for free transfers. Getting in Dailly was a good move - I presume there would have been other clubs in for him. Richardson ditto and Youga looks a different player from last year (and even the first few matches this year), Sodje was a good signing and Llera is limited but whole-hearted. Given that Dailly, Sodje, Richardson and Llera cost nothing I think that's excellent business. Plus Parky had to see the back of several players - Holland, Ambrose, ZZ, Hudson, Fortune etc.
With a season left on his contract Parky would have to look to the future sooner or later. Given the managerial merry-go-round I'm sure there'd have been offers, more so if our early season form was being maintained. Then what? Does Parky decline them and finish the season with us regardless, and risk the club bringing in another manager, perhaps under new ownership or does he take a two/three year contract elsewhere because that guarantees him a job next year and the year after? So sooner or later we'd have had to face the question of a contract extension and probably that decision would have come sooner. In my opinion the board acted wisely in heading off a potential problem before it arose. The alternative would have been to stall on negotiations and risk losing him at short notice because another team is offering him a future. If Murray had refused to extend his contract and he did leave then what? I can just imagine the Murray out brigade having a field day complaining that by not extending his contract he'd allowed <insert team name> to not not only take our manager but also with rock-all compensation and leaving us in mid-season with no time to get a replacement in.
Also bear in mind the affect it has on the squad. Parky seems to be popular with them and his new contract sends a message to them that the club believe in the manager too.
I find it sad to think that the board would think that parky was the sort that would walk at the first job opportunity after they had given him such an easy ride.
but if we go go up and he decides to jump ship we have a better calibre of manager to choose from,i still dont believe they would make the same decision in the business boardroom,heyho good debate better than my rantings on the match thread swisdom maybe i could have worded it better than twats but i was/am angry,but i aint having people blame randolph for one imo questionable mistake as i hold omusuzi responsible when the rest of the team made mistakes from the last to first minute.As a Dad who's son plays in goal you have to realise that every player is prone to a lapse in concerntratio and in some instances many,Randolph was first class today and I really find it hard to take in the criticsms he is having being aimed at him.i ask everyone watch the goal again and watch omusuzi it really is poor poor defending.
[cite]Posted By: northstandsteve[/cite]getting off the topic discuss why give him his extension when it goes tits up you end up being out of pocket.If we
are so skint this competition is so so important.
It's only important if you get a live match on TV vs a top Prem club, then you can rake in a large sum of money very quickly. Without the TV revenue I doubt Charlton would make any profit from today's game (we get a share of NV's gate money) and I doubt we'd get much from Lincoln either.
[cite]Posted By: Red_Pete[/cite]Well said BFR. To my mind that explains exactly why Parky was given a new contract. Very sensible decision it was too.
What about the part suggesting there'd be lots of alternative offers of employment? Given his record over the last year or two do you really think there are clubs out there looking to poach him from us? Give me a break.
[cite]Posted By: northstandsteve[/cite]but if we go go up and he decides to jump ship we have a better calibre of manager to choose from,i still dont believe they would make the same decision in the business boardroom,heyho good debate better than my rantings on the match thread swisdom maybe i could have worded it better than twats but i was/am angry,but i aint having people blame randolph for one imo questionable mistake as i hold omusuzi responsible when the rest of the team made mistakes from the last to first minute.As a Dad who's son plays in goal you have to realise that every player is prone to a lapse in concerntratio and in some instances many,Randolph was first class today and I really find it hard to take in the criticsms he is having being aimed at him.i ask everyone watch the goal again and watch omusuzi it really is poor poor defending.
Several points in there...
Yep Parky could still leave, but his extension gives him job security and reduces the need to think about accepting an offer if it comes in just because it means employment. He has job security and even allowing for the fickle employment market that is football managership we have some measure of security.
Would Murray etc make the same decision in the boardroom? I think they would, most businesses crave stability and if a senior manager's contract is up for renewal then you'd make moves to ensure that you weren't suddenly going to be looking for a replacement, especially half-way through an important project.
Yep, this makes Murray etc hostages to fortune. If we play poorly and finish 15th and they have to sack Parky and he walks away with a year's compensation then it will look a mistake, but that's the risk/reward thing for you.
Randolph - our MoM today, he was a bit slow in coming out for the goal and he was too rooted to his line all game, but he can't be faulted for a poor team performance, or our failure to score goals and that was where we lost the match.
As for Omosuzi...a limited player, but we don't have much money and you can't always get a replacement, especially at short notice, who ticks all the boxes in terms of experience, ability etc, under such circumstances you have to take who you can get and go with that choice.
[cite]Posted By: Red_Pete[/cite]Well said BFR. To my mind that explains exactly why Parky was given a new contract. Very sensible decision it was too.
What about the part suggesting there'd be lots of alternative offers of employment? Given his record over the last year or two do youreallythink there are clubs out there looking to poach him from us? Give me a break.
Alan Pardew didn't stay out of a job for long did he? Sacked by West Ham and then by us, yet walked into a job with Souhampton who presumably had a lot of CVs on their desk...
Going back to NSS's point which started the thread - he is of course right, it was an utterly ludicrous decision to give him a contract extension last week as plenty of us said on here at the time
Ridiculous decision IMO. What did it do except make the bloke more expensive to sack? Sure the Reading job was a possibility but were they really going to take a bloke on who has a record of getting us relegated from the Championship when they are struggling in that very division. Worst case, they did take him off us....there are plenty of other limited ability managed out there we could have gone for as a straight replacement for him!
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NOTWITHSTANDING the last 4 years of arrogance, lies and contempt they've held us as fans in.
And the people they've employed on the pitch and in the dugout: Mostly complete dross, no team spirit or will to win.
HOW LONG til patience runs out?
MURRAY OUT.
NOTWITHSTANDING the last 4 years of arrogance, lies and contempt they've held us as fans in.
And the people they've employed on the pitch and in the dugout: Mostly complete dross, no team spirit or will to win.
HOW LONG til patience runs out?
MURRAY OUT.[/quote]
The very same board who have dug us out of a hole this year and put 7 million, yes you read it correctly 7 million of their own money into the club to keep it running.
No doubt you'd have been happier to see us sell, on the cheap to a consortium that insisted on administration being part of the deal.
well done here's a further years contract or would they have said to a manager who had his only success at this level only to be found out where we have just come from,if we go up here's a new contract a a nice little bonus.
Boggzy mate, I can't believe what you've written there.
"But as 'nice' fans, we still won't put ANY pressure on them, as they helped get us back to the Valley, don't you know?
NOTWITHSTANDING the last 4 years of arrogance, lies and contempt they've held us as fans in."
I don't think you can really underplay the valley return, as much as it might piss you off that you believe that this has bought them the loyalty of some fans. No doubt it has, and for a reason. And when has there been arrogance, lies and contempt?
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I agree that that was a strange move. Not something I would have done. Doesn't mean I would want a new board though. Or that I'd call them 'twats'.
Nothing is stopping you from supporting another club if you don't like this one.
I'm beginning to wonder if you are in any way related to Charlie Block who used to routinely blame evey problem on Richard Murray....
only one twat in this thread mate - and that's you
without this board you wouldn't have a club so try engaging your brain before you type complete and utter nonsense
To be honest Steve, the thread didn't begin with this subject - it began with you slagging off the board, with a brief reference to the contract extension.
Arrogance: Murray posing in the team photo proudly next to his new appointment Iain Dowie (former Crystal Palace legend). All the spin over the past 4 years (though OK they *are* a business and this is what businesses do. But putting up with this in direct contradiction to the dross we watch week after week). Then sacking him and presiding over the Les Reed debacle (another horrific time).
Lies: "Les Reed is going nowhere", "We will reveal why Dowie was sacked in the next 6 months", "Parkinson will be judged by performances", "Tickets will not go up"....
Contempt: all of the above, not turning up to various meetings etc, the fact that they KEEP employing managers who FAIL to invoke any genuine team spirit. AND NOW GIVING THIS BLOKE ANOTHER CONTRACT AFTER 2 MONTHS OF DECENT RESULTS!!!!!!
I know a lot on here will slate me for my views, and being a forum, it is for die-hard people - who sometimes don't like to admit things are wrong in things that are central to their lives. I remember when we had that 'footballing prolapse' in Curbs' last season, when he had completely lost interest, as had a lot of the players - people who questioned him were slated. Then the penny dropped. Anyway, it's just my opinion, and we're all Charlton, so I'm not going to get involved in slanging matches with ANY fellow Addick on here.
But how can we KEEP putting up with perfgormances like this then watch 'the great games' thing on youtube with Clive, Kinsella, Browny, Robbo ....and see the team spirit and such PASSION..... Can you HONESTLY say you feel the same way
about most of the mercenaries we've had in the last 5 years?
The buck stops at the top.
are so skint this competition is so so important.
there was a real risk of Readings job coming up and we perhaps wanted to show him we wanted to keep him and wanted them fended off. How long have we been in talks with Parky? Maybe there was an agreement between him and the board?
There's plenty of reasons to offer him a new deal but we are not privy to all the goings-on at the club so we can't say too much in it.
I fail to see how his contract extention made Darren Randolph grow roots at a crucial time today. Did the contract stop our midfield playing more than 2 passes on succession?
YES he made some bad decisions today YES he failed to motivate our players sufficiently and YES it's a dark day for the club - but this doesn't make the board twats!
I don't deny that RM has made mistakes. That has been done to death on here already so there's no point going over old ground. But I don't think the examples you give really fall into the arrogance/lies/contempt categories. They are all mistakes, and some aren't valid at all in my opinion.
I agree with your third from last paragraph.
At the end of the day, though, I'm much happier with this board than I could be with any other. They also presided over all the good times you allude to, and we know that they know how to run a successful football club. What they have achieved here in the past is remarkaable - and i'm not ashamed to say that that buys them my loyalty. For as long as I'm confident they're doing things for the best of the Club, I always want them in charge. Always.
For me, Murray is a huge part of what Charlton is and represents, and it will be a sad day when he does eventually leave.
Yes it was, let's look at what he's done to date - he had no money to spend, morale was rock bottom and he had to repair a defence that last season was the worst I can ever remember and that soaked up a lot of time scouting replacements etc and competing with a lot of other clubs for free transfers. Getting in Dailly was a good move - I presume there would have been other clubs in for him. Richardson ditto and Youga looks a different player from last year (and even the first few matches this year), Sodje was a good signing and Llera is limited but whole-hearted. Given that Dailly, Sodje, Richardson and Llera cost nothing I think that's excellent business. Plus Parky had to see the back of several players - Holland, Ambrose, ZZ, Hudson, Fortune etc.
With a season left on his contract Parky would have to look to the future sooner or later. Given the managerial merry-go-round I'm sure there'd have been offers, more so if our early season form was being maintained. Then what? Does Parky decline them and finish the season with us regardless, and risk the club bringing in another manager, perhaps under new ownership or does he take a two/three year contract elsewhere because that guarantees him a job next year and the year after? So sooner or later we'd have had to face the question of a contract extension and probably that decision would have come sooner. In my opinion the board acted wisely in heading off a potential problem before it arose. The alternative would have been to stall on negotiations and risk losing him at short notice because another team is offering him a future. If Murray had refused to extend his contract and he did leave then what? I can just imagine the Murray out brigade having a field day complaining that by not extending his contract he'd allowed <insert team name> to not not only take our manager but also with rock-all compensation and leaving us in mid-season with no time to get a replacement in.
Also bear in mind the affect it has on the squad. Parky seems to be popular with them and his new contract sends a message to them that the club believe in the manager too.
It's only important if you get a live match on TV vs a top Prem club, then you can rake in a large sum of money very quickly. Without the TV revenue I doubt Charlton would make any profit from today's game (we get a share of NV's gate money) and I doubt we'd get much from Lincoln either.
What about the part suggesting there'd be lots of alternative offers of employment? Given his record over the last year or two do you really think there are clubs out there looking to poach him from us? Give me a break.
Several points in there...
Yep Parky could still leave, but his extension gives him job security and reduces the need to think about accepting an offer if it comes in just because it means employment. He has job security and even allowing for the fickle employment market that is football managership we have some measure of security.
Would Murray etc make the same decision in the boardroom? I think they would, most businesses crave stability and if a senior manager's contract is up for renewal then you'd make moves to ensure that you weren't suddenly going to be looking for a replacement, especially half-way through an important project.
Yep, this makes Murray etc hostages to fortune. If we play poorly and finish 15th and they have to sack Parky and he walks away with a year's compensation then it will look a mistake, but that's the risk/reward thing for you.
Randolph - our MoM today, he was a bit slow in coming out for the goal and he was too rooted to his line all game, but he can't be faulted for a poor team performance, or our failure to score goals and that was where we lost the match.
As for Omosuzi...a limited player, but we don't have much money and you can't always get a replacement, especially at short notice, who ticks all the boxes in terms of experience, ability etc, under such circumstances you have to take who you can get and go with that choice.
We look clueless and toothless i am getting real!!
Alan Pardew didn't stay out of a job for long did he? Sacked by West Ham and then by us, yet walked into a job with Souhampton who presumably had a lot of CVs on their desk...