Lloyd Sam

Screamer

He isn't looking very dangerous at the moment and that has a big impact on making the difference in tight games.

The question is: Is he really a top league one winger, or was it all overhyped based on a couple of games like Tranmere and Brentford where he was excellent?

LenGlover

He looks less effective of late because a) teams are doubling up on him and b) he is carrying an injury and has been for some weeks now.

Fully fit he is capable of playing in at least the Championship.

mascot88

I think the main problem is that he seems to have 2 first names.....

or if anything, his last name first....

Aparently psychologically he has been battling with this from avery young age.....

Scoham

[cite]Posted By: LenGlover[/cite]He looks less effective of late because a) teams are doubling up on him and b) he is carrying an injury and has been for some weeks now.

Fully fit he is capable of playing in at least the Championship.

Agree with that.

cafcdan18

He is streets ahead of most wingers in this league. IMO it would be a good idea to switch him over to the left for longer periods of games, think he could be eqaully dangerous and would certainly give defences something extra to think about

youtube addick

Sam is an amazing winger when fully fit!
He destroyed brentford's defence when he was fit,so when he is fit play him on the left.

boogica

[quote][cite]Posted By: youtube addick[/cite]Sam is an amazing winger when fully fit!
He destroyed brentford's defence when he was fit,so when he is fit play him on the left.[/quote]

the thing is he is never fit and never has been ive questioned his fitness on here many times i reckon he has a problem and as for being an amazing winger i dont think so, he is ok but lets not get carried away have a look at how many games he has been taken off this season he always seems to tire with about 20 mins to go?

Goonerhater

Although i think with our forwards we have to play 451 at the moment it lets the other team double up on Sam. We should be able to see this and take advantage ofthe space that is left by the fact that they are doubling up. However its either because we only have 1 forward to cant use this space or our coach cant see it .

Dazzler21

[cite]Posted By: Screamer[/cite]He isn't looking very dangerous at the moment and that has a big impact on making the difference in tight games.

The question is: Is he really a top league one winger, or was it all overhyped based on a couple of games like Tranmere and Brentford where he was excellent?

he looks less effective as he is carrying an injury, is being doubled up on and there is no one in the box to receive the crosses.

Dazzler21

[cite]Posted By: Scoham[/cite]

[cite]Posted By: LenGlover[/cite]He looks less effective of late because a) teams are doubling up on him and b) he is carrying an injury and has been for some weeks now.

Fully fit he is capable of playing in at least the Championship.

Agree with that.

Also agree he even played well a few times in the prem!

101

Not his usual dangerous self this season i agree apart from Elliott hes still my fav player because over the last few seasons i think we have been lucky to keep him theres only one.

Chris_from_Sidcup

If he's carrying an injury then he should be rested. It's doing him or the team no good to continue playing him as he hasn't played well for weeks now. At Gillingham he looked knackered after about 20 minutes.

101

[cite]Posted By: Chris_from_Sidcup[/cite]If he's carrying an injury then he should be rested. It's doing him or the team no good to continue playing him as he hasn't played well for weeks now. At Gillingham he looked knackered after about 20 minutes.

Yea he did diddnt he cant understand why hes not rested.

Sam lloyd

[cite]Posted By: cafcdan18[/cite]He is streets ahead of most wingers in this league. IMO it would be a good idea to switch him over to the left for longer periods of games, think he could be eqaully dangerous and would certainly give defences something extra to think about

He doesn't like playing on the left apparently

Vinnie V.

[cite]Posted By: Sam lloyd[/cite]

[cite]Posted By: cafcdan18[/cite]He is streets ahead of most wingers in this league. IMO it would be a good idea to switch him over to the left for longer periods of games, think he could be eqaully dangerous and would certainly give defences something extra to think about

He doesn't like playing on the left apparently

I don't like going to work but when i'm there i do what i'm told pretty much.

Chizz

[cite]Posted By: Vinnie V.[/cite]

[cite]Posted By: Sam lloyd[/cite]

[cite]Posted By: cafcdan18[/cite]He is streets ahead of most wingers in this league. IMO it would be a good idea to switch him over to the left for longer periods of games, think he could be eqaully dangerous and would certainly give defences something extra to think about

He doesn't like playing on the left apparently

I don't like going to work but when i'm there i do what i'm told pretty much.

I don't like being told to do what I feel I am no good at. So, when that happens, my performance drops and I look around for somewhere else to work.

Essex_Al

Won player of the month and has done very little since!

falconwood_1

Hes usually knackered after 60 mins and isnt consistent enough, the latter is why hes still here and not at a higher level.

Exiled_Addick

It's always difficult for wingers to shine in teams that aren't playing that well. By definition they are on the egde of the play and it's hard for them to go and impose themselves on games while still fullfilling their tactical role. That said, he had a poor game on Saturday wasting what opportunities he had to impress (although he did still get in 2 or 3 very good crosses which went totally unattacked by our 'strikers') and missed other opportunities to get involved by getting caught on his heels.

Imo, we're missing Jonjo. Racon was trying to get things moving on Saturday but he needed someone to play off and around. Burton's clearly injured and for whatever Mcleod's strengths may or may not be, he's not a bright and inventive link man. Bailey looks way short of form too - he's just stopped getting in the box all of a sudden. Perhaps he feels he has more of a defensive resposibility playing left of a 4 rather than a 5, but we need to get him more involved higher up the pitch again - one of the afformentioned Sam crosses was made for a thumping far post header from an on rushing left winger but Bailey was just too far behind play.

I don't think we're at the wheels falling off stage yet, but a few of our early season stars seem to have lost sight of what they were doing well after 6 games and I do think Mcleod's extended run (coupled with Burton's injury) has seriously reduced our ability to play quick and inventive passing football to open teams up - everything just seem to be happening at three quarters pace compared to a few games ago. Sam is one of the one's really suffering for this because he's not getting the ball in as much sapce as he was before. He missed Ricahrdson on Saturday too.

Vinnie V.

[cite]Posted By: Chizz[/cite]

[cite]Posted By: Vinnie V.[/cite]

[cite]Posted By: Sam lloyd[/cite]

[cite]Posted By: cafcdan18[/cite]He is streets ahead of most wingers in this league. IMO it would be a good idea to switch him over to the left for longer periods of games, think he could be eqaully dangerous and would certainly give defences something extra to think about

He doesn't like playing on the left apparently

I don't like going to work but when i'm there i do what i'm told pretty much.

I don't like being told to do what I feel I am no good at. So, when that happens, my performance drops and I look around for somewhere else to work.

Not a team player then. I will give anything my best effort. Then if it doesn't work out, at least i can say i gave it my best shot.

Six-a-bag-of-nuts

Also Sam is missing that early ball out of defence from Llera.
(Not that Im suggesting etc etc)

Scoham

[cite]Posted By: Six-a-bag-of-nuts[/cite]Also Sam is missing that early ball out of defence from Llera.
(Not that Im suggesting etc etc)

I was thinking that's something we've not had, but surely doesn't make that much difference in a game. Maybe it does, Sam can get on the ball a couple more times than he normally would with Sodje in the defence. Although I'm sure the last game at home Llera played, quite a few of his passes to Sam ended up missing him completely.

Six-a-bag-of-nuts

[cite]Posted By: Scoham[/cite]

[cite]Posted By: Six-a-bag-of-nuts[/cite]Also Sam is missing that early ball out of defence from Llera.
(Not that Im suggesting etc etc)

I was thinking that's something we've not had, but surely doesn't make that much difference in a game. Maybe it does, Sam can get on the ball a couple more times than he normally would with Sodje in the defence. Although I'm sure the last game at home Llera played, quite a few of his passes to Sam ended up missing him completely.

It probably gives him the chance to run at a backpedaling defender instead of facing 3 of them 20 yards further back where he's come to collect the ball.
But in the scheme of things it hardly justifies Llera's inclusion, given the downside!!

Dazzler21

we have conceded more since sodjes been in surely?

paulbaconsarnie

i was of the opinion that he has never got enough goals for an attacking midfielder, and despite having the ability to give himself time and space to create chances, fails to deliver too often.
i thought this had changed after the start to the season he had. whether it being a confidence thing or he had found a level to suit him, but have returned to my former thinkings.
lloyd sam career to date, 88 starts, 6 goals.
and to think, a lot of people would insist he should have been ahead of darren ambrose (162 starts, 42 goals) in the pecking order.

ColinTat

According to soccerbase Ambrose scored 16 goals in about 130 matches for us; thirteen league goals. He's scored 42 goals in his whole career, 32 league goals in over twp hundred league games. Basically Ambrose had one good season for us, but even in that season he made hardly any assists and virtually all his assists and over half his goals were with Andy Reid; Reid made the play/space for pretty much all his goals and assists in that period. He can score, especially if played more centrally but wherever he's been, any good patch he's had quickly falls away.

Last season Sam was constantly blamed by Pardew via team selection and dropped, yet he made 9 assists in an under pressure season. When we're under pressure Ambrose neither scores or assists, he has his best times when other players make space for him. I don't want to see Sam dropped unless injury is the real reason. Even on a poor day Sam protects his full back and can be an assist threat. That can not be said of Wagstaff, his protection of his full back is not robust enough atm.

The real solution is careering left winger. From that comes, or if it comes I do not know.

Addick Addict

[cite]Posted By: ColinTat[/cite]According to soccerbase Ambrose scored 16 goals in about 130 matches for us; thirteen league goals. He's scored 42 goals in his whole career, 32 goals in over a hundred league games. Basically Ambrose had one good season for us. He can score, especially if played more centrally, but wherever he's been any good patch he's had quickly falls away.

Last season Sam was constantly blamed by Pardew via team selection and dropped, yet he made 9 assists in an under pressure season. When we're under pressure Ambrose neither scores or assists, he has his best times when other players make space for him. I don't want to see Sam dropped unless injury is the real reason. Even on a poor day Sam protects his full back and can be an assist threat. That can not be said of Wagstaff, his protection of his full back is not robust enough atm.

The real solution is careering left winger. From that comes, or if it comes I do not know.

I thought Luke Holden was a Left Winger. Is he injured or is he another Christensen, Dickson, Fleetwood, Sinclair etc etc that we've signed "for the future"?

Chris_from_Sidcup

[cite]Posted By: Dazzler21[/cite]we have conceded more since sodjes been in surely?

Are you basing that on one game at Carlisle? Llera played (and i use the term played very loosely) at Colchester so that cancels that out.

Dazzler21

Noo! Lol just saying feels like we are conceding a lot and I concede that I may be wrong!

oohaahmortimer

ambrose has got 8 goals for palarse this year ... aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

Leroy Ambrose

Its definitely a confidence issue with Lloyd. Early on in the season you could see that he was playing with his confidence high. Other teams hadn't identified him as a potential threat (which, based on most of the rest of his career with us was understandable) - this gave him the confidence to go out and play to his strengths (running at players, getting into the box). Since the Walsall game it's clear that teams have done their homework and now identify him as the main source of creativity. This has led to a dip in form and a non-coincidental dip in confidence.

As to how to solve this conundrum - well, I ain't the manager!