I didn't think it was a bad performance. We were clearly the superior team against top half opposition and very unluckly not to score in the last 30 minutes. We can't turn possession into goals - is that news to anyone? Charlton are one of the better sides in the division but expectations were unrealistic after a fairly easy (and occasionally fortuitous) start to the season.
[cite]Posted By: 24 Red[/cite]I didn't think it was a bad performance. We were clearly the superior team against top half opposition and very unluckly not to score in the last 30 minutes. We can't turn possession into goals - is that news to anyone? Charlton are one of the better sides in the division but expectations were unrealistic after a fairly easy (and occasionally fortuitous) start to the season.
Was not there..... and the rather depressing commentary of five live when they bothered to talk about the game and the action on it was that Charlton were at home and lacked enterprise. and thought that it was up to Charlton to take the game to them.
They claimed that Burton was isolated and had little to do, and Claridge just wanted to slag off Charlton and his remarks about Shelvey dismissing him as 'nothing special' in beetween there boredom hardly impressed the listerner, let alone the casual listerner.
The whole presentation was that Leeds were the kings of the league just awaiting the title, and could only loose it!. The fact that we hit the bar twice, and tried to change things about was never commentated on. The fact that Oldham came to get a point and were booked for wasting time from a throw in 25 minutes from full time just seemed to encourage Claridge to blame Charlton for not being more attacking!
If it was a poor performance the commentary was the worst I had ever heard...... at one point they left the Charlton's match when we did get a corner to rush to another ground to hear that that was ' a poor game' and nothing had happened...... You never heard the results of the corner! Get a grip 5 live..... and come back Charlton live, or at least someone with a bit of enthusiasm that showed at least an interest in the game in front of them!
The fact that Oldham came to get a point and were booked for wasting time from a throw in 25 minutes from full time just seemed to encourage Claridge to blame Charlton for not being more attacking!
The goalkeeper was also booked for time wasting. Oldham barely got into our half in the second half, we switched to a 4-4-2 and had he had any striker other than Mcloud, we would have scored. Llera had a terrific header hit the bar and Yogua had a crack at an overhead bicycle kick that was just palmed over the bar by the Oldham keeper. We had a multitude of chances which is what made the game so frustrating.
The BBC rarely have a decent word to say when it comes to Charlton. Pure lazy journalism.
We dropped two points, and therefore are now only one point ahead of target, we are keeping (two) clean sheets, but are not scoring. As Phil Parkinson is to be judged on results he is now in a kind of 'neutral' territory in my mind. huddersfield are strong, and scoring goals, we need an intelligent, but above all effective, reaction from Parkinson. If i were an Oldham supporter i would say that was an excellent away performance, and that we were denied a blatant penalty, and that Dave Penney earned his wages yesterday.
it all smells of when we were 5th for an eternity and the results and performances turned for the worst, yet we still somehow managed to stay 5th and anyone who dared pointing out this fact got shot down with the 'we're still 5th' bollox from the blinkered chumps who think anyone who points out we're wank enjoys us being wank....
well i enjoyed our start to this season a lot more than the last 6 games and i think the play offs will be a major result for us now but then again i probably would not want us to do well ... although wanting us to play at the highest level of english football would suggest otherwise
[cite]Posted By: oohaahmortimer[/cite]it all smells of when we were 5th for an eternity and the results and performances turned for the worst, yet we still somehow managed to stay 5th and anyone who dared pointing out this fact got shot down with the 'we're still 5th' bollox from the blinkered chumps who think anyone who points out we're wank enjoys us being wank....
well i enjoyed our start to this season a lot more than the last 6 games and i think the play offs will be a major result for us now but then again i probably would not want us to do well ... although wanting us to play at the highest level of english football would suggest otherwise
Difference is that went on for longer and we were losing games. Lets see where we are in another 6 games.
It wasn't a poor performance yesterday, we just couldn't score. Leeds was a good point, Southampton we had two goals disallowed and Norwich we conceded in the last minute. Like someone said, there's a fine line between a good result and one not so good. Look at our win away at Orient, another day we'd have only drawn that, or Wycombe at home, not a huge differences in performances, just small things making the difference.
Be interesting to see how we do against Huddersfield, a good team in this league.
[cite]Posted By: nigel w[/cite]We don't have to be hysterical or to over-react to realise that this was the poorest home performance of the season and that it has been coming for some time. Nobody here needs reminding that its 273 mins since that last league goal by Izale now, and that we've only won one of our last six games.
It's got to be time to mix it up because the 4-5-1 is starting to be not only predictable but rather unenterprising. We certainly loooked more likely to score when Izale came on and we had two up front. At home that has to be the way to go, because what happened today was quite simple.
Oldham did their homework and knew exactly what to expect and worked out a way to counter the system that served us well in the early part of the season. What was alarming was how easily they did it, by isolating Burton from the midfield.
Thought our best players were Youga and Spring, but today also showed how we rely too much on Shelvey to be the link between the midfield and Burton. For once he was quite off the pace and looked like a 17 year old boy among men. They also matched up against us in midfield so the result was that 4-5-1 really was 4-5-1 and not the more fluid 4-4-1-1 we've enjoyed when the boy is firing...
agree with all that. 4-5-1 has become predictable and also unenterprising. It's easy to blame Shelvey but for me there is too big a gap between Burton and the midfield and it's up to players like Bailey and Racon to get up and around Burton to feed off the knock downs. In a midfield five Racon should be able to get forward a lot more than he does knowing that someone else is there to cover. We need to have other strings to our bow and can't continue to rely on the same formation. Although we didn't score we were a lot more effective once switched to 4-4-2 and I'd like to see us start with that next Saturday. Whether Parky has the balls to drop a Bailey or a Shelvey I'm not too sure. Also, could you justify dropping Spring for Semedo ? Two games ago the yes but now ??
Who would you play alongside Burton? McKenzie, who is just getting fit? McLeod? Does he deserve it after he missed those chances? Tuna, who is only 17 and although looked ok against Barnet, had some poor touches and probably isn't ready?
I'd like to see 4-4-2 especially against the smaller teams, though I don't think there's anyone there that obviously deserves a chance, which is a problem. Dickson can't be recalled until he's been at Bristol Rovers for 28 days.
I'd actually start with McLeod and McKenzie. Give McLeod the chance to show what he can do in ninety minutes rather than having to come on in the last fifteen, under pressure to get us a goal and so snatching at chances. Once McKenzie tires, if he does, then Burton can come on. I agree to an extent that there is no=one really there screaming out to be given a chance but 4-5-1 has been found out and we need to come out with something different or every team will do an Oldham on us.
It has appeared for many years while travelling down to the valley, that we do have a contingent of "idiots"!I personally am not a season ticket holder this season as i am at uni but i have noticed over the years of going down the valley that we do have some of the most "difficult to please" set of supporters, I could almost go as far to say that we are catching up with spurs! Obviously these fans are still living in cloud nine, premiership cuckoo land and i do question whether these idiots were actually there to witness the highs and lows before we went up in 1998! So guys....it is just a case of having to put up with it,they will still be there each week, whether we are playing well, average or pony because A) They love to moan B) they do not have a clue about football or charlton on that matter and oh yeh C) they love to moan ;)
[cite]Posted By: cafc_se7[/cite]It has appeared for many years while travelling down to the valley, that we do have a contingent of "idiots"!I personally am not a season ticket holder this season as i am at uni but i have noticed over the years of going down the valley that we do have some of the most "difficult to please" set of supporters, I could almost go as far to say that we are catching up with spurs! Obviously these fans are still living in cloud nine, premiership cuckoo land and i do question whether these idiots were actually there to witness the highs and lows before we went up in 1998!
So guys....it is just a case of having to put up with it,they will still be there each week, whether we are playing well, average or pony because A) They love to moan they do not have a clue about football or charlton on that matter and oh yeh C) they love to moan
well if 'they' are there each week they are committed supporters arn't they and therefore entitled to moan. Having been a regular fan since 1972 I have seen a lot, lot worse but that doesn't mean that we should accept what we see as a poor performance without comment. As you are now at Uni I doubt very much you have witnnessed the lows yourself such as the last game at The Valley in 1985. Since the return to The Valley in 1992 it has mainly been highs and even the lows havn't been as low as we've been before.
We havnt scored for 3 games but we are still second in the league and im 100% we ALL would have been happy if we knew that would be the case in July.
Donkeys years back when i used to go with my dad, old guy stood behind us for years moaned the whole game every game. Truely some people do go to football just to moan. I think that at their own homes/lives they are so bollockless that they cant pipe up so coming to the Valley is the only place they can actually speak/moan.
yesterdays performance against Oldham was not good enough - simple as.
If we aspire to automatic promotion, then a home match against Oldham with a fully fit Charlton squad is 3 points.
We don't want to be looking back in May and talking about Macleods dreadful missed open goal, while we prepare for another 12 months in amongst this dross!
[quote][cite]Posted By: cafc_se7[/cite]It has appeared for many years while travelling down to the valley, that we do have a contingent of "idiots"!I personally am not a season ticket holder this season as i am at uni but i have noticed over the years of going down the valley that we do have some of the most "difficult to please" set of supporters, I could almost go as far to say that we are catching up with spurs! Obviously these fans are still living in cloud nine, premiership cuckoo land and i do question whether these idiots were actually there to witness the highs and lows before we went up in 1998! So guys....it is just a case of having to put up with it,they will still be there each week, whether we are playing well, average or pony because A) They love to moan B) they do not have a clue about football or charlton on that matter and oh yeh C) they love to moan ;)[/quote]
if you are at uni mate you aint been going long enough to critise us moaners who have been there donkeys years.Real fans dont blow charlton out for uni ;-)
[cite]Posted By: Valiantphil[/cite]yesterdays performance against Oldham was not good enough - simple as.
If we aspire to automatic promotion, then a home match against Oldham with a fully fit Charlton squad is 3 points.
Correct VP, I'm not sure why so many people think not being able to beat a team that "comes not to lose" is OK - Don't all teams do that home and away ? It's called not wanting to lose. I can only assume we went to Colchester trying "not to lose" ?
Why is it acceptable to believe that 4-5-1 needs variation, to agree that the striker needs some rotation and that PP needs more than one trick in his stable but then to defend the situation when F all changes week in week out.
I'm afraid I agree with Mike here - start with the 2 Mackers up front and have Deon & JJ on the bench .
For me, Spring was MOM with Kelly close behind ( oooerr, missus ) and this does, of course give Parky a problem if Semedo is fit for next Saturday. I'd probably advocate starting with Spring, Sam, Bailey & Racon with Semedo held back to freshen up the midfield later in the match if required.
Together with Basey & Waggsy, Randolph and A N Other, our bench would be the strongest we've had for some time.
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They claimed that Burton was isolated and had little to do, and Claridge just wanted to slag off Charlton and his remarks about Shelvey dismissing him as 'nothing special' in beetween there boredom hardly impressed the listerner, let alone the casual listerner.
The whole presentation was that Leeds were the kings of the league just awaiting the title, and could only loose it!. The fact that we hit the bar twice, and tried to change things about was never commentated on. The fact that Oldham came to get a point and were booked for wasting time from a throw in 25 minutes from full time just seemed to encourage Claridge to blame Charlton for not being more attacking!
If it was a poor performance the commentary was the worst I had ever heard...... at one point they left the Charlton's match when we did get a corner to rush to another ground to hear that that was ' a poor game' and nothing had happened...... You never heard the results of the corner! Get a grip 5 live..... and come back Charlton live, or at least someone with a bit of enthusiasm that showed at least an interest in the game in front of them!
The BBC rarely have a decent word to say when it comes to Charlton. Pure lazy journalism.
well i enjoyed our start to this season a lot more than the last 6 games and i think the play offs will be a major result for us now but then again i probably would not want us to do well ... although wanting us to play at the highest level of english football would suggest otherwise
It wasn't a poor performance yesterday, we just couldn't score. Leeds was a good point, Southampton we had two goals disallowed and Norwich we conceded in the last minute. Like someone said, there's a fine line between a good result and one not so good. Look at our win away at Orient, another day we'd have only drawn that, or Wycombe at home, not a huge differences in performances, just small things making the difference.
Be interesting to see how we do against Huddersfield, a good team in this league.
agree with all that. 4-5-1 has become predictable and also unenterprising. It's easy to blame Shelvey but for me there is too big a gap between Burton and the midfield and it's up to players like Bailey and Racon to get up and around Burton to feed off the knock downs. In a midfield five Racon should be able to get forward a lot more than he does knowing that someone else is there to cover. We need to have other strings to our bow and can't continue to rely on the same formation. Although we didn't score we were a lot more effective once switched to 4-4-2 and I'd like to see us start with that next Saturday. Whether Parky has the balls to drop a Bailey or a Shelvey I'm not too sure. Also, could you justify dropping Spring for Semedo ? Two games ago the yes but now ??
I'd like to see 4-4-2 especially against the smaller teams, though I don't think there's anyone there that obviously deserves a chance, which is a problem. Dickson can't be recalled until he's been at Bristol Rovers for 28 days.
So guys....it is just a case of having to put up with it,they will still be there each week, whether we are playing well, average or pony because A) They love to moan B) they do not have a clue about football or charlton on that matter and oh yeh C) they love to moan ;)
well if 'they' are there each week they are committed supporters arn't they and therefore entitled to moan. Having been a regular fan since 1972 I have seen a lot, lot worse but that doesn't mean that we should accept what we see as a poor performance without comment. As you are now at Uni I doubt very much you have witnnessed the lows yourself such as the last game at The Valley in 1985. Since the return to The Valley in 1992 it has mainly been highs and even the lows havn't been as low as we've been before.
Donkeys years back when i used to go with my dad, old guy stood behind us for years moaned the whole game every game. Truely some people do go to football just to moan. I think that at their own homes/lives they are so bollockless that they cant pipe up so coming to the Valley is the only place they can actually speak/moan.
If we aspire to automatic promotion, then a home match against Oldham with a fully fit Charlton squad is 3 points.
We don't want to be looking back in May and talking about Macleods dreadful missed open goal, while we prepare for another 12 months in amongst this dross!
So guys....it is just a case of having to put up with it,they will still be there each week, whether we are playing well, average or pony because A) They love to moan B) they do not have a clue about football or charlton on that matter and oh yeh C) they love to moan ;)[/quote]
if you are at uni mate you aint been going long enough to critise us moaners who have been there donkeys years.Real fans dont blow charlton out for uni ;-)
A) we wouldn't be in Div 3; or
We can only play the cards we have, and at the moment that includes two bob strikers. That's life.
Correct VP, I'm not sure why so many people think not being able to beat a team that "comes not to lose" is OK - Don't all teams do that home and away ? It's called not wanting to lose. I can only assume we went to Colchester trying "not to lose" ?
Why is it acceptable to believe that 4-5-1 needs variation, to agree that the striker needs some rotation and that PP needs more than one trick in his stable but then to defend the situation when F all changes week in week out.
0 goals in 3 games says it all.
For me, Spring was MOM with Kelly close behind ( oooerr, missus ) and this does, of course give Parky a problem if Semedo is fit for next Saturday. I'd probably advocate starting with Spring, Sam, Bailey & Racon with Semedo held back to freshen up the midfield later in the match if required.
Together with Basey & Waggsy, Randolph and A N Other, our bench would be the strongest we've had for some time.