If we try 4-4-2 at any stage we need two box to box midfielders who can get business done at both ends of the park. Shelvey has 6 assists this season and has to play with Racon imo.
Exeter were very poor in the final third, how they scored at all is a minor miracle.
We were below par and could have been doing more, we scraped the win - why people have a problem with that view that I'm not sure, but hey ho its all about opinions.
In my view we are going off the boil slightly, altho its great to get a win when you aren't playing so well, problem is its a downward slide last 3-4 games.
I want us to be able to compete in the championship so the better balance of play we can achieve at the moment the better we will do next year if we go up, it will be an interesting team when we play Leeds who seem to have a more settled/balanced side than us.
With people like shelvey sam samedo and even llera on the pitch i think playing mcleod & burton could work, it would stop people doubleing up on burton, and mcleods pace in behind the defence could be a real problem for the oppersition...
[cite]Posted By: Oggy Red[/cite]I'm not sure Leeds have had a more settled side than us ...... we've played 8 consecutive matches unchanged.
One change in the 9th game.
It all sounds pretty settled to me.
Balanced? We've one of the very best goals conceded records.
And scored more goals than any other team in the League.
That doesn't mean the side is perfection.
But the League table shows there's 22 clubs less balanced or perfect than Charlton.
my interpretation of the word balanced is based on pros in each position of a similar quality and enough backup, we only have 1 performing striker, we are midfield heavy, we only have two senior centre halve, one senior winger - are some examples
as for settled, our current 1st 11 have only been playing together for that number of games, whereas Leeds players haven't necessarily had the same upheaval and not have quite as unbalanced squad. Some might argue that the fact that we can only succeed in a 451 supports this argument.
sure we may make up for it in other ways quality for example, I am merely suggesting where we are 'weak' they may be stronger
we have 3 CHs not two - Although I would like to add one more.
We have one performing striker as we have played 1 up front all year. We also have McKenzie and now McLeod.
Leeds team is more settled because it wasn't good enough to get out of this league last year or the year before.
We and Norwich and Soton were relegated so our squads changed. We have coped much better than them partly because other than the three new defenders the remaining players were already in place last season.
Some might argue that the fact that we can only succeed in a 451 supports this argument.
Nonsensical. We have only played 10 games and as 4-4-1-1 (it's not really 4-5-1) has constantly worked we have stuck with it.
You can't say that we can only succeed with 451 when we haven't tried anything else other than in a brief spell v Wycombe when we had three players on the pitch injured and we still won.
[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]we have 3 CHs not two - Although I would like to add one more.
We have one performing striker as we have played 1 up front all year. We also have McKenzie and now McLeod.
Leeds team is more settled because it wasn't good enough to get out of this league last year or the year before.
We and Norwich and Soton were relegated so our squads changed. We have coped much better than them partly because other than the three new defenders the remaining players were already in place last season.
Some might argue that the fact that we can only succeed in a 451 supports this argument.
Nonsensical. We have only played 10 games and as 4-4-1-1 (it's not really 4-5-1) has constantly worked we have stuck with it.
You can't say that we can only succeed with 451 when we haven't tried anything else other than in a brief spell v Wycombe when we had three players on the pitch injured and we still won.
451 large part of the end of last season too, and yes we don't have enough quality in midfield or attack to play a 442 so yes it does imply an imbalance, weak forward line, large quantiy of central mid players.
McLeod 2 goals in 3 years is it?
Mckenzie no idea what his is
yeah forgot we just bought the forever crocked Sodje, so I'll give you that one
So you really think we are stronger or as strong as Leeds?
I guess what I am saying is we still have imbalance in our squad, our play is too flat sometimes and 1 dimensional tactically, and the squad is thin in places. Sure this has been enough so far but may not be enough for a long season to get us automatic promotion, maybe scrape a playoff place.
On the other hand our quality in the first 11 may keep us well up there...
For a third tier club this squad is good. It could be better but that is always the way. If we get injuries and suspensions we will have to cope but that is the same of all the teams in this league.
Exeter's two best players (noone and Archibald - H) are both loanees and fleetwood couldn't play.
[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]For a third tier club this squad is good. It could be better but that is always the way. If we get injuries and suspensions we will have to cope but that is the same of all the teams in this league.
Exeter's two best players (noone and Archibald - H) are both loanees and fleetwood couldn't play.
Maybe we should get some loanees in : - )
So you really think we are stronger or as strong as Leeds?
[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]For a third tier club this squad is good. It could be better but that is always the way. If we get injuries and suspensions we will have to cope but that is the same of all the teams in this league.
Exeter's two best players (noone and Archibald - H) are both loanees and fleetwood couldn't play.
Maybe we should get some loanees in : - )
So you really think we are stronger or as strong as Leeds?
Is that the Leeds who needed a last minute winner against an Exeter side who had 10 men for 70 minutes?
Is that the Leeds team who needed a last minute winner against the 10 men of MK Dons?
We shall see who is the stronger. Not on Saturday but over the whole season.
Not that we have to be stronger than Leeds. We just need to be stronger than 22 other teams.
[cite]Posted By: Oggy Red[/cite]I'm not sure Leeds have had a more settled side than us ...... we've played 8 consecutive matches unchanged.
One change in the 9th game.
It all sounds pretty settled to me.
Balanced? We've one of the very best goals conceded records.
And scored more goals than any other team in the League.
That doesn't mean the side is perfection.
But the League table shows there's 22 clubs less balanced or perfect than Charlton.
Why is everyone crying out for change, we still aint been beat. If he dropped Jonjo or burton on Tuesday and we lose, you'll all be screaming that he didn't need to change. Jonjo is not tired FACT and if you looked at his runs and his movement off the ball instead of just following the ball you would see just how fit he is. Thats not just Jonjo thats all of them, One day just pick a player and watch what he does when he aint got the ball, you'll understand a little bit more about football then. Those that said Burton was no good Saturday must be used to such fantastic football because everything that got knocked up to him stuck he was very good Saturday. So lets change this winning team and do plan b and plan c just to keep the miserable bar stewards on this site happy. Lets then get beat 3-0 so the same people can say I TOLD YOU ..... God you lot can be so fecking depressing
Picky, Oggy, would be to point out that you can't be more or less perfect than anyone else - by definition you're either perfect or you're not perfect.
[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]For a third tier club this squad is good. It could be better but that is always the way. If we get injuries and suspensions we will have to cope but that is the same of all the teams in this league.
Exeter's two best players (noone and Archibald - H) are both loanees and fleetwood couldn't play.
Maybe we should get some loanees in : - )
Agree with this. Division one squads are always going to be tested during a season because there is without a doubt a lack of strength in depth for all teams including Leeds and Charlton. A prime example is Millwall who had a very strong finish to last season and maintained a settled side for much of the last part. They have had a lot of injuries this term and their squad has not been able to cope, hence the poor start. Charltons squad is as good as any in this division and as has been pointed out we are still unbeaten. Certainly we will lose some players during the season but so will everyone else. I believe that the omens are looking good. The players mentioned already who have not yet played but will at some point. ie McKenzie, Sodje, Solly, Randolph, Holden, plus McLeod and Spring does not look too shabby a back up imho.
[cite]Posted By: uncle[/cite]Why is everyone crying out for change, we still aint been beat. If he dropped Jonjo or burton on Tuesday and we lose, you'll all be screaming that he didn't need to change. Jonjo is not tired FACT and if you looked at his runs and his movement off the ball instead of just following the ball you would see just how fit he is. Thats not just Jonjo thats all of them, One day just pick a player and watch what he does when he aint got the ball, you'll understand a little bit more about football then. Those that said Burton was no good Saturday must be used to such fantastic football because everything that got knocked up to him stuck he was very good Saturday. So lets change this winning team and do plan b and plan c just to keep the miserable bar stewards on this site happy. Lets then get beat 3-0 so the same people can say I TOLD YOU ..... God you lot can be so fecking depressing
I'm not crying out for anything, simply trying to objectively evaluate the team - its a privilege of us 'armchair' managers..
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Not bad.
could do better, and they were pretty poor (sorry Grecians)
Don't talk sense WSS! God forbid we lose a game, the Samaritans will be overrun!
The way other teams have ALL conceded two or more goals to us during the 90 mins.
(Yes, I'm counting Burton's "offside goal v Soton)
We were below par and could have been doing more, we scraped the win - why people have a problem with that view that I'm not sure, but hey ho its all about opinions.
In my view we are going off the boil slightly, altho its great to get a win when you aren't playing so well, problem is its a downward slide last 3-4 games.
I want us to be able to compete in the championship so the better balance of play we can achieve at the moment the better we will do next year if we go up, it will be an interesting team when we play Leeds who seem to have a more settled/balanced side than us.
One change in the 9th game.
It all sounds pretty settled to me.
Balanced? We've one of the very best goals conceded records.
And scored more goals than any other team in the League.
That doesn't mean the side is perfection.
But the League table shows there's 22 clubs less balanced or perfect than Charlton.
my interpretation of the word balanced is based on pros in each position of a similar quality and enough backup, we only have 1 performing striker, we are midfield heavy, we only have two senior centre halve, one senior winger - are some examples
as for settled, our current 1st 11 have only been playing together for that number of games, whereas Leeds players haven't necessarily had the same upheaval and not have quite as unbalanced squad. Some might argue that the fact that we can only succeed in a 451 supports this argument.
sure we may make up for it in other ways quality for example, I am merely suggesting where we are 'weak' they may be stronger
We have one performing striker as we have played 1 up front all year. We also have McKenzie and now McLeod.
Leeds team is more settled because it wasn't good enough to get out of this league last year or the year before.
We and Norwich and Soton were relegated so our squads changed. We have coped much better than them partly because other than the three new defenders the remaining players were already in place last season.
Some might argue that the fact that we can only succeed in a 451 supports this argument.
Nonsensical. We have only played 10 games and as 4-4-1-1 (it's not really 4-5-1) has constantly worked we have stuck with it.
You can't say that we can only succeed with 451 when we haven't tried anything else other than in a brief spell v Wycombe when we had three players on the pitch injured and we still won.
451 large part of the end of last season too, and yes we don't have enough quality in midfield or attack to play a 442 so yes it does imply an imbalance, weak forward line, large quantiy of central mid players.
McLeod 2 goals in 3 years is it?
Mckenzie no idea what his is
yeah forgot we just bought the forever crocked Sodje, so I'll give you that one
So you really think we are stronger or as strong as Leeds?
I guess what I am saying is we still have imbalance in our squad, our play is too flat sometimes and 1 dimensional tactically, and the squad is thin in places. Sure this has been enough so far but may not be enough for a long season to get us automatic promotion, maybe scrape a playoff place.
On the other hand our quality in the first 11 may keep us well up there...
Exeter's two best players (noone and Archibald - H) are both loanees and fleetwood couldn't play.
Maybe we should get some loanees in : - )
So you really think we are stronger or as strong as Leeds?
Is that the Leeds who needed a last minute winner against an Exeter side who had 10 men for 70 minutes?
Is that the Leeds team who needed a last minute winner against the 10 men of MK Dons?
We shall see who is the stronger. Not on Saturday but over the whole season.
Not that we have to be stronger than Leeds. We just need to be stronger than 22 other teams.
You are just being picky
What does that mean Kap....?????
I just looked at the stats and let them speak for themselves.
I also said, "That doesn't mean the side is perfection".
But then again, you've only got to watch a game to know that.
We're a Third Division team playing Third Division opponents.
And only have to be more, erm ..... balanced and perfect, than they are.
I can't see into the future any further than anyone else.
But currently, I can see there are 22 clubs less balanced or perfect than Charlton.
The League table says so.
Or am I being picky?
;o)
Not that I'm picky, you understand. ;-)
Or perhaps I'm Picky, after all?
I like that ...... the concept of not being more or less perfect than anyone else.
That's perfect. Or not!
;o)
Agree with this. Division one squads are always going to be tested during a season because there is without a doubt a lack of strength in depth for all teams including Leeds and Charlton. A prime example is Millwall who had a very strong finish to last season and maintained a settled side for much of the last part. They have had a lot of injuries this term and their squad has not been able to cope, hence the poor start. Charltons squad is as good as any in this division and as has been pointed out we are still unbeaten. Certainly we will lose some players during the season but so will everyone else. I believe that the omens are looking good. The players mentioned already who have not yet played but will at some point. ie McKenzie, Sodje, Solly, Randolph, Holden, plus McLeod and Spring does not look too shabby a back up imho.
I'm not crying out for anything, simply trying to objectively evaluate the team - its a privilege of us 'armchair' managers..