I think this quote from stilladdicted is brilliant.
"We formed the impression of a deeply unintelligent man with an inadequate personality. He needed fame and fortune to compensate, he needed to be a celebrity and had mastered the use of bluster and cliche. I truly believe that had an older woman been on the interview panel, she would have seen though him straight away. His type is somewhat familiar, small personality, big ego, useless in bed. Women everywhere would have had a lot of laughter when discussing him.
In other circumstances, I might even feel sorry for him and his delusions of fame. He nearly wrecked Charlton completely, but I am also mindful that it was the board which allowed him to. "
[cite]Posted By: Covered End[/cite]I think this quote from stilladdicted is brilliant.
"We formed the impression of a deeply unintelligent man with an inadequate personality. He needed fame and fortune to compensate, he needed to be a celebrity and had mastered the use of bluster and cliche. I truly believe that had an older woman been on the interview panel, she would have seen though him straight away. His type is somewhat familiar, small personality, big ego, useless in bed. Women everywhere would have had a lot of laughter when discussing him.
In other circumstances, I might even feel sorry for him and his delusions of fame. He nearly wrecked Charlton completely, but I am also mindful that it was the board which allowed him to. "
Shouldn't be on this thread really, but..........
Murray got Dowie in to get one up on Jordan.
Didn't work out, bought ex Coach in.
Didn't work out bought ex-player in.
So, who started all this...................
Sod It.
CE.
Roger Norman Alwen was Chairman in 1991 when Gritt & Curbishley were appointed "First Team Coaches".
He was also Chairman when the Board upgraded them to "(joint) Managers" ayear later.
I know, petty.............
Edit: I've had a lousy f**king day..............
Sorry.
This is obviously a bad period in our recent past. Fortunately we look to be putting it behind us an moving on, however the ramifications will always still be there.
I hope, for Pardew's sake, that he won't always be remembered (but fear that he will by the younger fan base) as the manager that plunged the club from the Premier League to the depth of the Football League, and the man that tore the club's finances to shreds, but the player that appeared for this club over 100 times.
While this article raises a lot of points where Pardew went wrong, the man at the source of this was Iain Dowie, who got the ball rolling with consecutive poor performances by expensive, overpaid and overrated players, do we not remember when Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink donned the Charlton shirt in a hideous cameo appearance for the club. Merged with misfortune and misguidance from the board and a horrendous transfer policy from Pardew we find ourselves in League One, however he was not alone in this, and we mustn't target him as the sole perpetrator.
[cite]Posted By: Miserableold-ish git[/cite]Sod It.
CE.
Roger Norman Alwen was Chairman in 1991 when Gritt & Curbishley were appointed "First Team Coaches".
He was also Chairman when the Boardupgradedthem to "(joint) Managers" ayear later.
I know, petty.............
Edit: I've had a lousy f**king day..............
Sorry.
Sorry Curbishley was made joint Manager with Steve Gritt in July 1991 - appointed by Alwen chairman from March 1989 -February 1995.
Curbishley was put in sole charge in June 1995, by Murray who was appointed PLC Chairman in February 1995 . It was one of the first things he did.
It was clearly a brilliant move (or luck) as the dual Managers were not working and Charlton made the play offs at the end of Curbishley's first sole season in charge.
Source - The Essential History of Charlton Athletic Paul Clayton.
My favourite = "I'm sorry, I feel someone should stand up for Alan Pardew here. It's not going to be me, God knows I've got nothing nice to say about the glib over-rated git, but surely someone can say something nice about him".
I recall the positive mood on his appointment but we can draw a number of paralells to when we swopped managers once before, the swop of Bailey for a manager who felt he was far above Charlton one Alan Mullery.
On a technical/managerial side Pardew clearly felt we should be above the scrapping and endeavour that was so critical at Championship level.
Where Pardew has done well is with existing sides - he took over at Reading when they were on the up and then went to West Ham (perhaps before he really learnt the managerial game properly at Reading) and did ok - taking an improving side back into the Premiership and then into Europe via the FA Cup Final. Where it went wrong for him was in evolving and developing that team. West Ham's players goot too greedy and too much ahead of their ability and Pardew was unable or unwilling to see the need to re-fashion that team.
At Charlton he did ok and if results had worked out a little better - and perhaps if West Ham had been relegated after the Tevez thing then we might have survived. Ultimately he was unable to get that team to punch above their weight and fight to get the few points that would have made the difference between staying up and relegation. Post relegation we had a fire-sale of players and though he brought in replacements he had no clear idea about how to shape a team. The first year in the CCC we used nearly 40 players and beyond that had an unbelievable number of different formations and tactics with no clear staretgy except to hope that suddenly one of those formations would click and the rest would be history.
At Southampton he's got to do more than just rescue his career, that will come only after he figures out what management is really about and learns to stick to a set of tactics, players and a strategy and not start experimenting. His first task is going to be establishing and building a squad that is his definably his, to date in three other managerial jobs he has failed to do that. Given his personality and character - I wonder whether his ego will allow him to do that or will interfere and screw it up. Ego is never a bad thing in a sportsman, but self-awareness is a greater character trait. Those who know their strengths and weaknesses and can compensate for them tend to do better.
I got the impression that as soon as he discovered that things were more difficult than he imagined them to be, he began plotting his own exit and huge pay off. His decisions no longer seemed to make any logic and he contradicted himself on numerous occasions. He seemed to be on a mission to antagonise the board and supporters until we could take it no longer. He's a complete ars**le and a very cunning one.
[cite]Posted By: queensland_addick[/cite]I got the impression that as soon as he discovered that things were more difficult than he imagined them to be, he began plotting his own exit and huge pay off. His decisions no longer seemed to make any logic and he contradicted himself on numerous occasions. He seemed to be on a mission to antagonise the board and supporters until we could take it no longer. He's a complete ars**le and a very cunning one.
I don't think it was quite an orchestrated campaign more that he didn't know what to do once things demanded managerial skill.
We, that is all of us that go to the matches and have done for years, spent match after match watching us and wondering, what does he do? Where is the coaching? Game after game we would watch players who had absolutely no idea what they were supposed to be doing, where they were supposed to be or what they were doing there. The lack of coaching was most apparent when we were defending, taking corners and other set pieces.
I think that is one of the two things I will always associate with the Pardew era. The other, more damaging state of affairs, was the way he used the squad. I hated the revolving door loan players that clearly could not give a flying bag of toss about the club.
There were other things that I hated about the Pards era, an ex-Palace player being our captain for instance. On the whole though, I think we can look back on that peiod as a time when evrything that was going wrong with the club finally crystallised in the kind of performances I hope I will never get see again.
[cite]Posted By: Valley_floyd_red[/cite]We, that is all of us that go to the matches and have done for years, spent match after match watching us and wondering, what does he do? Where is the coaching? Game after game we would watch players who had absolutely no idea what they were supposed to be doing, where they were supposed to be or what they were doing there. The lack of coaching was most apparent when we were defending, taking corners and other set pieces.
At a Maidstone meeting, during the Pardew era, Nicky Weaver and Grant Basey did a Q&A session, I asked Nicky Weaver who did the coaching for set pieces. The answer was Phil Parkinson!
[cite]Posted By: stilladdicted[/cite]At a Maidstone meeting, during the Pardew era, Nicky Weaver and Grant Basey did a Q&A session, I asked Nicky Weaver who did the coaching for set pieces. The answer was Phil Parkinson!
Phil Parkinson had nothing whatsoever to do with pardews reign....
he stood there mute and motionless for 22 months and can't be held responsible for any of the shit we had to witness for the 22 months that he was there before he had to take over the shambles that pardew had cultivated FACT
[cite]Posted By: stilladdicted[/cite]At a Maidstone meeting, during the Pardew era, Nicky Weaver and Grant Basey did a Q&A session, I asked Nicky Weaver who did the coaching for set pieces. The answer was Phil Parkinson!
Phil Parkinson had nothing whatsoever to do with pardews reign....
he stood there mute and motionless for 22 months and can't be held responsible for any of the shit we had to witness for the 22 months that he was there before he had to take over the shambles that pardew had cultivated FACT
[cite]Posted By: WSS[/cite]I'm glad I don't get it in the neck for my boss' f*ck-ups.
if you were his assistant surely your point of views and assisting would help your boss out or would you just be a lap dog and pander to the bosses needs
My boss doesnt listen to me, he's an arrogant tosser who doesnt listen to anyone's points of views. I can't wait until he leaves or gets sacked and then next financial year I can put my own ideas and methods forward and create the best ever start for the company in their history.
[cite]Posted By: WSS[/cite]My boss doesnt listen to me, he's an arrogant tosser who doesnt listen to anyone's points of views. I can't wait until he leaves or gets sacked and then next financial year I can put my own ideas and methods forward and create the best ever start for the company in their history.
Wow, that sounds amazing. That would be exactly like what Parkinson has done at Charlton.
lol WSS i reckon they should tin you for not helping out when it really mattered i mean your clearly not gonna lift your firm quick enough to save them from financial ruin ... still if the company reduces it's overheads and starts again at it's lowest business point then any sort of window dressing will keep the backers happy
I do find it amusing how people are happy to disassociate Parkinson from the Pardew era and happily accept that Parky apparently sat in a broom cupboard for over a year with no input into anything.
[cite]Posted By: Barn Door Varney[/cite]I do find it amusing how people are happy to disassociate Parkinson from the Pardew era and happily accept that Parky apparently sat in a broom cupboard for over a year with no input into anything.
Agreed.
Everyone knows it was Mervyn Day who was the real brains while Curbs was here.
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"We formed the impression of a deeply unintelligent man with an inadequate personality. He needed fame and fortune to compensate, he needed to be a celebrity and had mastered the use of bluster and cliche. I truly believe that had an older woman been on the interview panel, she would have seen though him straight away. His type is somewhat familiar, small personality, big ego, useless in bed. Women everywhere would have had a lot of laughter when discussing him.
In other circumstances, I might even feel sorry for him and his delusions of fame. He nearly wrecked Charlton completely, but I am also mindful that it was the board which allowed him to. "
Shouldn't be on this thread really, but..........
Murray got Dowie in to get one up on Jordan.
Didn't work out, bought ex Coach in.
Didn't work out bought ex-player in.
So, who started all this...................
Sorry.
(could argue the point alot further but just can't be arsed. Sorry.).
CE.
Roger Norman Alwen was Chairman in 1991 when Gritt & Curbishley were appointed "First Team Coaches".
He was also Chairman when the Board upgraded them to "(joint) Managers" ayear later.
I know, petty.............
Edit: I've had a lousy f**king day..............
Sorry.
I hope, for Pardew's sake, that he won't always be remembered (but fear that he will by the younger fan base) as the manager that plunged the club from the Premier League to the depth of the Football League, and the man that tore the club's finances to shreds, but the player that appeared for this club over 100 times.
While this article raises a lot of points where Pardew went wrong, the man at the source of this was Iain Dowie, who got the ball rolling with consecutive poor performances by expensive, overpaid and overrated players, do we not remember when Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink donned the Charlton shirt in a hideous cameo appearance for the club. Merged with misfortune and misguidance from the board and a horrendous transfer policy from Pardew we find ourselves in League One, however he was not alone in this, and we mustn't target him as the sole perpetrator.
Sorry Curbishley was made joint Manager with Steve Gritt in July 1991 - appointed by Alwen chairman from March 1989 -February 1995.
Curbishley was put in sole charge in June 1995, by Murray who was appointed PLC Chairman in February 1995 . It was one of the first things he did.
It was clearly a brilliant move (or luck) as the dual Managers were not working and Charlton made the play offs at the end of Curbishley's first sole season in charge.
Source - The Essential History of Charlton Athletic Paul Clayton.
Covered End 1 MOG 0 :-)
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2009/sep/08/league-one-southampton-alan-pardew
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My favourite = "I'm sorry, I feel someone should stand up for Alan Pardew here. It's not going to be me, God knows I've got nothing nice to say about the glib over-rated git, but surely someone can say something nice about him".
On a technical/managerial side Pardew clearly felt we should be above the scrapping and endeavour that was so critical at Championship level.
At Charlton he did ok and if results had worked out a little better - and perhaps if West Ham had been relegated after the Tevez thing then we might have survived. Ultimately he was unable to get that team to punch above their weight and fight to get the few points that would have made the difference between staying up and relegation. Post relegation we had a fire-sale of players and though he brought in replacements he had no clear idea about how to shape a team. The first year in the CCC we used nearly 40 players and beyond that had an unbelievable number of different formations and tactics with no clear staretgy except to hope that suddenly one of those formations would click and the rest would be history.
At Southampton he's got to do more than just rescue his career, that will come only after he figures out what management is really about and learns to stick to a set of tactics, players and a strategy and not start experimenting. His first task is going to be establishing and building a squad that is his definably his, to date in three other managerial jobs he has failed to do that. Given his personality and character - I wonder whether his ego will allow him to do that or will interfere and screw it up. Ego is never a bad thing in a sportsman, but self-awareness is a greater character trait. Those who know their strengths and weaknesses and can compensate for them tend to do better.
I don't think it was quite an orchestrated campaign more that he didn't know what to do once things demanded managerial skill.
I think that is one of the two things I will always associate with the Pardew era. The other, more damaging state of affairs, was the way he used the squad. I hated the revolving door loan players that clearly could not give a flying bag of toss about the club.
There were other things that I hated about the Pards era, an ex-Palace player being our captain for instance. On the whole though, I think we can look back on that peiod as a time when evrything that was going wrong with the club finally crystallised in the kind of performances I hope I will never get see again.
At a Maidstone meeting, during the Pardew era, Nicky Weaver and Grant Basey did a Q&A session, I asked Nicky Weaver who did the coaching for set pieces. The answer was Phil Parkinson!
Phil Parkinson had nothing whatsoever to do with pardews reign....
he stood there mute and motionless for 22 months and can't be held responsible for any of the shit we had to witness for the 22 months that he was there before he had to take over the shambles that pardew had cultivated FACT
Then wtf was he doing to earn his money ?
if you were his assistant surely your point of views and assisting would help your boss out or would you just be a lap dog and pander to the bosses needs
Wow, that sounds amazing. That would be exactly like what Parkinson has done at Charlton.
Answer 0 for no, 1 for yes ;-)
Everyone knows it was Mervyn Day who was the real brains while Curbs was here.