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How good are we???

edited September 2009 in General Charlton
Ive been asking myself this all day...

Having actually seen the match in its entirity for the first time... i think the answer is, at times, very good...

its a difficult one to judge becasue we are in the third division... yet the passing was truly fantastic at times yesterday... I also thought Racon looked almost viera-esqe at times(maybe thats his long legs)... admitedly against a thrid tier team....

Our midfield looks absolute mustard....when we get the ball down, which we kept fighting to do, we look like we could out pass anyone... Shelvey looked fantastic I thought, never lost the balll...and some terrific touches and passes...

Semedo was excellent as was Bailey, although in his curent role if could slightly improve his crossing that would be great, but im splitting hairs, he was terrific....

Overall, if we can keep this up, keep the spirit up, and if Parkinson can keep his feet on the ground we look very good indeed yet the real test will be when we screw up and lose a game we shouldnt have or get punished for some of our defensive sloppiness we can show and have shown this season..... or if we collapse as we did last season.... that will be parkinsons test...

But the truth be known all the pain and anguish and bad results and Board breathing down his neck, and fans booing him and calling for his head... all that is the best experience he could have... It means we know hes not a quitter, and it is clear as crystal he has the team playing for him and all the other good stuff that goes along with 6 wins in a row.....

Ok , so how good are we? Do you think this side would be mid table in the championship, Playoff spots, relegation...

Premiership even ;)

Id go for Mid table championship, BUT I also think wed be getting sussed out by now in the champ and wed need a plan B, hence mid table....

what do you reckon?
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  • We're alright.






    ;o)
  • [cite]Posted By: Off_it[/cite]We're alright.






    ;o)

    Triffic .... well I am glad we've cleared that up then ; )
  • We're very, very good, for a team that deserves to be playing in the third division. Nothing more, nothing less.
  • I reckon we'd be in the shake up for a play off spot in the Championship on current form.

    Deffo better than Palace.
  • Jon
    Having watched the whole game live and seen the BBC highlights I wish I could fully share your optimism. Weston blazed over when unmarked; Elliott missed a punch etc. and Dailly and Lliera have the mobility of...an oil tanker / elephant which means that we WILL get found out by speedier and more skillful players. Having watched 'The Football League Show' and seen the div. 3 opposition, there are indeed several excellent and dangerous wingers / strikers we yet have to come up against. Certainly our midfield appears one of the best but it's asking a lot of our center backs to keep out lively strikers all season isn't it? If promotion comes reinforcements will be needed, certainly at the back.
  • [cite]Posted By: Covered End[/cite]I reckon we'd be in the shake up for a play off spot in the Championship on current form.
    We're in League One, not the Championship; because it's where we deserve to be. But on "current form" we'd be top of whatever division we're in.
  • A good yardstick to how good we are was our game against Birmingham at the end of last season. We more than held our own (and dominated the midfield) against a team fighting to get into the Premier league and only our woeful forward situation prevented a win. Our midfield has now kicked on again and despite losing a talented player in ZZ is better balanced. On the basis of that game and the improvements since i'd say we've got a top 6 Championship first team, with a paper thin squad backing it up.
  • [cite]Posted By: SantaClaus[/cite]A good yardstick to how good we are was our game against Birmingham at the end of last season. We more than held our own (and dominated the midfield) against a team fighting to get into the Premier league and only our woeful forward situation prevented a win. Our midfield has now kicked on again and despite losing a talented player in ZZ is better balanced. On the basis of that game and the improvements since i'd say we've got a top 6 Championship first team, with a paper thin squad backing it up.
    I have yot disagree. We cannot and should not be meaured in terms of the league we're clearly not good enough to be in. This season is all about - and only about - how good we are, measured against the rest of this league. We're not good enough to be measured against the league above us yet. Let's hope we will be in a year's time.
  • [cite]Posted By: Chizz[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: Covered End[/cite]I reckon we'd be in the shake up for a play off spot in the Championship on current form.
    We're in League One, not the Championship; because it's where we deserve to be. But on "current form" we'd be top of whatever division we're in.

    What top of the Prem ? Think not.
  • [cite]Posted By: daveroan[/cite]Jon
    Having watched the whole game live and seen the BBC highlights I wish I could fully share your optimism. Weston blazed over when unmarked; Elliott missed a punch etc. and Dailly and Lliera have the mobility of...an oil tanker / elephant which means that we WILL get found out by speedier and more skillful players. Having watched 'The Football League Show' and seen the div. 3 opposition, there are indeed several excellent and dangerous wingers / strikers we yet have to come up against. Certainly our midfield appears one of the best but it's asking a lot of our center backs to keep out lively strikers all season isn't it? If promotion comes reinforcements will be needed, certainly at the back.

    Blimey, you're a cheerful one!

    Of course some of our players will get found out throughout the course of the season and I'm absolutely certain that our centre backs wont keep out every srtiker between now and the end of the season - in the same way I'm certain that a CB pairing of Ferdinand and Terry wouldn't keep out every striker in every game this year!
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  • We know we've got a Championship quality midfield.

    Replace Semedo with ZZ, then that is the midfield that only lost around 3 matches in the last 15, in the last third of last season. And held their own comfortably against the promotion chasers.

    And with principally Kandol or Burton as lone strikers, the team still scored plenty of goals.

    In that period last season, it was the defence that was sub-standard - despite the sterling work of on-loan Darren Ward.
    If the defence hadn't conceded so easily when in match winning positions, we might have even made a much better fist of staying up.

    I reckon our defence today is better than the latter part of last season. If we should get promoted .....,, initially in the starting XI at least, providing Dailly is still quick enough and can keep going, then we'd possibly be looking just for a Championship quality centre back.

    I don't see any reason that the nucleus of this present confident and spirited Charlton side could not hold it's own back in the Championship.
  • We are still developing as a team of comparative strangers (in defence for sure) since the start of the season. We need to beable to adapt to 4-4-2 a bit more but PP tried that towards the end of y'day and it looked promising. We have youngsters coming through but not in defence which is a bit worrying longer term. We could certainly hold our own in the Championship but don't have the strength in depth to go further yet IMO. But this is great 'work in progress'.
  • [cite]Posted By: Covered End[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: Chizz[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: Covered End[/cite]I reckon we'd be in the shake up for a play off spot in the Championship on current form.
    We're in League One, not the Championship; because it's where we deserve to be. But on "current form" we'd be top of whatever division we're in.

    What top of the Prem ? Think not.
    Yes, of course ... "on current form". If we were in the Premiership (which, as we all know, we have no right to be) and if we were showing "current form" (ie winning every game), we'd be top.
  • [cite]Posted By: Chaz Hill[/cite]We have youngsters coming through but not in defence which is a bit worrying longer term.

    Don't forget Solly is on the bench every game no doubt champing at the bit.

    Mambo, Jack Clark and the other young full back, Sam Long is it, may get a chance.

    Remember Parky saying, "We'll only retain young Pro's, who we think have a chance of playing in the 1st team this season."

    Basey is still only 20, good touch on the ball, but whether he's got the pace to be a regular, I'm not so sure. But still young - I'd love to see him carve a niche for himself, but where .... ?
  • Sam Long has gone.
  • One way of judging how good a team is, is to look at its ratio of goals scored to goals conceded. Charlton's is currently 5, which is joint 3rd best (with Chelsea) in the entire league. Only Newcastle with 8 and Man City who haven't conceded yet (obviously this method works better over a longer period of time) are doing better. Our nearest rivals at the moment, Leeds have a ratio of 4. Do spare a thought for poor old Pompey with 0.14

    For me this gives the lie to some of the "oil tanker" nonsense above. If our defenders were that bad we'd be leaking goals and have a far worse ratio. We aren't though, because Llera is actually pretty lively - especially in the air, and Dailly makes up for a lack of speed with a better sense of positioning than most defenders at this level.

    So in answer to the question, How good are we? For this division, very good. For other divisions, it really doesn't matter.
  • I think we are good enough to go up but am aware that we have played weakish teams so far. Brentford were the toughest and not a walk over. At the end of October we will have a good idea of how we will fare in this league.
    Injuries can wreck a campaign, look at Millwall!
  • Things are looking good. We look excellent in spells and we all know that many Championship teams would give their right arms to have a midfield of our quality.

    My only concern is that we are giving a fair few chances to teams during each match. At this level you get away with it a bit more and if you win, these things tend to get glossed over and forgotten about. Eventually we are going to come up against a forward line that will take the chances we are presenting.

    My gut feeling is that we are actually playing within ourselves. We seemed in cruise control for times yesterday. Whether we can get out of cruise control and go up a gear if we go behind remains to be seen. I know we went behind at Orient but that was a different situation. The first half was a real battle and we earnt the right to play our football in the 2nd half.
  • [cite]Posted By: Nadou[/cite]Sam Long has gone.

    He's been long gone, I suppose .....?

    ;o)
  • edited September 2009
    [cite]Posted By: Clem_Snide[/cite]

    My gut feeling is that we are actually playing within ourselves. We seemed in cruise control for times yesterday. Whether we can get out of cruise control and go up a gear if we go behind remains to be seen.

    Certainly, against Brentford we had several players playing with niggling injuries - Semedo, Racon, Richardson for example.

    So these players are probably instructed not to push themselves physically to the limits, and other team mates are doing some of these players' covering and tracking.

    We've been lucky to field 6 consecutive starting line ups the same, but it seems to have been a bit touch and go to have done so.
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  • [cite]Posted By: Oggy Red[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: Clem_Snide[/cite]

    My gut feeling is that we are actually playing within ourselves. We seemed in cruise control for times yesterday. Whether we can get out of cruise control and go up a gear if we go behind remains to be seen.

    Certainly, against Brentford we had several players playing with niggling injuries - Semedo, Racon, Richardson for example.

    So these players are probably instructed not to push themselves physically to the limits, and other team mates are doing some of these players' covering and tracking.

    We've been lucky to field 6 consecutive starting line ups the same, but it seems to have been a bit touch and go to have done so.

    Yes we have been lucky to do so but i also think that if this was last season and playing under pards these players with nigglig injuries would have not played and just had a few weeks off. How refreshing it is to see players wanting to play despite minor injuries. These boys aint just taking a pay cheque they are enjoying their football and want to play week in week out and i for one applaud that. The longer we start with the same team each week the harder we will be to beat.
  • [cite]Posted By: Oggy Red[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: Chaz Hill[/cite]We have youngsters coming through but not in defence which is a bit worrying longer term.

    Don't forget Solly is on the bench every game no doubt champing at the bit.

    Mambo, Jack Clark and the other young full back, Sam Long is it, may get a chance.

    Remember Parky saying, "We'll only retain young Pro's, who we think have a chance of playing in the 1st team this season."

    Should have been more specific. Was thinking more about CH?

    Basey is still only 20, good touch on the ball, but whether he's got the pace to be a regular, I'm not so sure. But still young - I'd love to see him carve a niche for himself, but where .... ?
  • [cite]Posted By: Chaz Hill[/cite]Should have been more specific. Was thinking more about CH?

    Only Mambo really. Don't know much about any centre backs younger than him.
  • Good post, Uncle.

    As you say, our lads are really enjoying their football, and the spirit in the side is unmistakable - and plain for all to see.
    Nobody wants to be left out - and the fringe players are desperate to be involved.

    Some of our passing moves is straight from the text book - fearless and flowing.Confidence sky-high!
    That's the difference a few wins on the spin can give.
  • [cite]Posted By: Oggy Red[/cite]We know we've got a Championship quality midfield.

    Replace Semedo with ZZ, then that is the midfield that only lost around 3 matches in the last 15, in the last third of last season. And held their own comfortably against the promotion chasers.

    And with principally Kandol or Burton as lone strikers, the team still scored plenty of goals.

    In that period last season, it was the defence that was sub-standard - despite the sterling work of on-loan Darren Ward.
    If the defence hadn't conceded so easily when in match winning positions, we might have even made a much better fist of staying up.

    I reckon our defence today is better than the latter part of last season. If we should get promoted .....,, initially in the starting XI at least, providing Dailly is still quick enough and can keep going, then we'd possibly be looking just for a Championship quality centre back.

    I don't see any reason that the nucleus of this present confident and spirited Charlton side could not hold it's own back in the Championship.

    Nails it for me Oggy.

    We are however a League One team because we f*cked it up last season and didn't gain enough points. Many of our players though were good enough last season to mount a challenge. That it failed spectacularly to materialise is one of those mysteries that we will never, ever quite get to the bottom of. We thus have a nucleus of a team good enough for the next league up. The challenge is for the players to understand that you have to win the right to play football your way whatever division you play in. Yesterday, against a determined and decent opponent, we did enough of the scrapping needed to keep the ball and play the football. If we keep that up, we won't be a million miles away. Bear in mind though that getting out of this league ain't easy, ask Leeds.
  • However bad our defence is, the fact is with that defence we are top.
    Look at the other end of the pitch, how many chances did we miss?
    Quality strikers (and other players for that matter) are few and far between in this league. Hence the number of squandered chances by other teams we play.
    We are the best at present and I'm going to enjoy this untill we start playing teams above us.
  • edited September 2009
    How good are we? Well it's been great so far and it increasingly looks like relegation was not the catastrophe we thought at the time but something that had to happen in order for the club to rediscover its heart. But I cannot yet quite go along with those on here who are claiming that six good games have already wiped out the nightmares of the past two seasons. However, putting five or six past bloody Pardew's lot next weekend might just tip it !
  • Think the first eleven is excelent for this level and Parkinson deserves a lot of credit for cultivating the fluent 4-4-1-1 we are seeing.

    I don't think anyone would have thought of putting Bailey on the left but he has florished there. Credit also for giving Shelvey the free role, Not sure a 17 year old could handle playing week in week out in a flat midfield four but by freeng him from some of the defensive responsibilities he has given him license to express his natural football inteligence.

    Will be interesting to see what happens when injurys/suspensions kick in, if Shelvey for example is missing then I'd guess we would have to go 4-4-2. If Buton's missing can any of the other strikers do the back to goal job he does?

    Similarly if any of the other midfielders are missing will we still be as cohesive? Think we will have a better idea of the merits of the squad after we've seen how they compete with a couple of key players missing.
  • [cite]Posted By: SantaClaus[/cite]A good yardstick to how good we are was our game against Birmingham at the end of last season. We more than held our own (and dominated the midfield) against a team fighting to get into the Premier league and only our woeful forward situation prevented a win. Our midfield has now kicked on again and despite losing a talented player in ZZ is better balanced. On the basis of that game and the improvements since i'd say we've got a top 6 Championship first team, with a paper thin squad backing it up.

    That sums it up well
  • We'll see how good we are after we have lost a game or two & how if we react/bounce back.

    It's all about confidence & we seem to have loads of it at the moment. But beware the banana skin Top v Bottom this week as was Charlton v Swindon when he had won 13 consecutive games & we all know how that one turned out!
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