[quote][cite]Posted By: Oggy Red[/cite]Burton's always sweated for the shirt but along with many others, I didn't really feel that he was effective enough.
But now most people understand that the team is set up to score goals from midfield, and that Burton is the fulcrum of much of that.
And that he plays selflessly for the team, like Shaun Bartlett used to do. And got flack for.[/quote]
That midfield set-up is likely to prove successful in this league too. |Not many teams can combat the level of midfield balance and ball keeping ability we have. In trying to combat us they have to detract from their standard 442 and playing long ball against us just surrenders the ball back to us cheaply. My only concern is if we have a series of injuries .
some of the football "experts" on here make me laugh. Check the stats and engage brains, the answers all in there. In his long and illustrous career Neon league goals tally has hit double figures only thrice. Once with Sheff Wed in the CCC he got 13 goals in 42 games. Apart from that the other two occasions (10 and 12) were in League One. He's not got significantly better all of a sudden, the defences just got worse.
He's been very effective for us in this league, I'm not doubting it, but let's get real.
I think that McKenzie will prove to be a good signing in this league. I'd still argue that Deon was not, in the league we were in. If Parky made the signing - in November 2008 - anticipating being in League One it would really disturb me.
I've liked Deon for a while and think he could still be a part of the squad IF we got promoted. This year he's even more important because he does the small things that people won't notice that make the system work. He brings the midfield into the game, which is where our best players are. It's not important for him to score 20 goals this year, that's not what he's there for.
If injuries/lack of form mean we have to change the system then he may not be such an important player. But that's not his fault, it will be up to the other strikers (who are supposed to be about scoring goals) to fill the void.
As for 4-5-1, Parkinson seems to think Jonjo isn't ready to play in a 4-4-2, so if you want Jonjo to play then we'll be playing 5 midfielders. I've got no complaints with that.
In his career, Neon Deon might have only scored a little more than a 100 goals.
But apart from a few posters who seem to think that anyone who plays up front for us should score at least 30 goals per season or not worth their place ...........most on here can now see the influence and effectiveness he has for the team unit and performance - which is why so many of our midfielders are scoring goals.
Or over the last few months weve all been worried about the existance of Charlton not just the playing squad
To be fair to Parky he has done more good than bad so his player judgement is not in question at the moment not that this may always be the case but it is good enough for me right now,
we kept the squad together which also keeps the wolves from the door
[cite]Posted By: Oggy Red[/cite]In his career, Neon Deon might have only scored a little more than a 100 goals.
But apart from a few posters who seem to think that anyone who plays up front for us should score at least 30 goals per season or not worth their place .
I'm perfectly aware of the fact, actually - I'm sure you're not above using the goals statistic to illustrate a point shorthand. Nothing wrong with it. However the rose tinted view that Deon's emergence as some kind of a cross between Pele and Maradonna ignores the fact that this has coincided with our relegation.
Our team is setup in such a way that the midfielders will tend to get goals - regardless of who is playing up front. This isn't my view. It was the case throughout last season. Furthermore the fact that our best quality players are "goal-scoring" midfielders, also contributes.
[cite]Posted By: McLovin[/cite]However the rose tinted view that Deon's emergence as some kind of a cross between Pele and Maradonna ignores the fact that this has coincided with our relegation.
I don't think anyone suddenly thinks Burton is a great player, but many agree he's doing his job very well, and it's a job none of the other strikers are capable of (including Gray, though obviously we don't know about McKenzie yet).
Of course being in a lower division helps him, but he's still doing a very good job for the team. I think we all know if we win promotion, it's likely he'll be nothing more than a squad player if we want to aim for anything more than the bottom half.
[cite]Posted By: Oggy Red[/cite]In his career, Neon Deon might have only scored a little more than a 100 goals.
But apart from a few posters who seem to think that anyone who plays up front for us should score at least 30 goals per season or not worth their place .
I'm perfectly aware of the fact, actually - I'm sure you're not above using the goals statistic to illustrate a point shorthand. Nothing wrong with it. However the rose tinted view that Deon's emergence as some kind of a cross between Pele and Maradonna ignores the fact that this has coincided with our relegation.
Our team is setup in such a way that the midfielders will tend to get goals - regardless of who is playing up front. This isn't my view. It was the case throughout last season. Furthermore the fact that our best quality players are "goal-scoring" midfielders, also contributes.
I'm not having a dig, McLovin ...... I quoted the 100 goals thing to show that Burton's accumulated over 100 goals - and also that it's taken him more than 10 seasons to do it. So it works both ways.
As Scoham suggests, we know that he's Deon Burton ..... not Deon Maradonna nor Deon Pele ..... but Parky has the player actually playing to his strengths to benefit the team unit, rather than expecting him to be the prolific striker that everybody knows he's not.
The other point I made ..... some people say that a striker is only worth his place if he scores prolifically........ in the
present Charlton team, the goals are being regularly scored by players from all areas of the team - that's how the team is tactically set up, so it doesnt matter they are not mostly scored by one striker.
Anyway, as somebody posted on here recently, we've scored 13 goals in 5 matches, the 2nd highest in the league - so the system is clearly working.
Only Huddersfield can better that tally, scoring 1 more than us - and on the back of a 7-1 humiliation of a poor Brighton team seemingly relegation bound.
Brighton were also down to 10 men when their keeper was sent off.
Burton is doing well and is playing a vital role in a winning team. If he doesn't score another goal all season but we continue as we have played so far I will be happy.
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But now most people understand that the team is set up to score goals from midfield, and that Burton is the fulcrum of much of that.
And that he plays selflessly for the team, like Shaun Bartlett used to do.
And got flack for.[/quote]
That midfield set-up is likely to prove successful in this league too. |Not many teams can combat
the level of midfield balance and ball keeping ability we have. In trying to combat us they have to detract from their standard 442 and playing long ball against us just surrenders the ball back to us cheaply.
My only concern is if we have a series of injuries .
He's been very effective for us in this league, I'm not doubting it, but let's get real.
I think that McKenzie will prove to be a good signing in this league. I'd still argue that Deon was not, in the league we were in. If Parky made the signing - in November 2008 - anticipating being in League One it would really disturb me.
If injuries/lack of form mean we have to change the system then he may not be such an important player. But that's not his fault, it will be up to the other strikers (who are supposed to be about scoring goals) to fill the void.
As for 4-5-1, Parkinson seems to think Jonjo isn't ready to play in a 4-4-2, so if you want Jonjo to play then we'll be playing 5 midfielders. I've got no complaints with that.
But apart from a few posters who seem to think that anyone who plays up front for us should score at least 30 goals per season or not worth their place ...........most on here can now see the influence and effectiveness he has for the team unit and performance - which is why so many of our midfielders are scoring goals.
To be fair to Parky he has done more good than bad so his player judgement is not in question at the moment not that this may always be the case but it is good enough for me right now,
we kept the squad together which also keeps the wolves from the door
Our team is setup in such a way that the midfielders will tend to get goals - regardless of who is playing up front. This isn't my view. It was the case throughout last season. Furthermore the fact that our best quality players are "goal-scoring" midfielders, also contributes.
I don't think anyone suddenly thinks Burton is a great player, but many agree he's doing his job very well, and it's a job none of the other strikers are capable of (including Gray, though obviously we don't know about McKenzie yet).
Of course being in a lower division helps him, but he's still doing a very good job for the team. I think we all know if we win promotion, it's likely he'll be nothing more than a squad player if we want to aim for anything more than the bottom half.
I'm not having a dig, McLovin ...... I quoted the 100 goals thing to show that Burton's accumulated over 100 goals - and also that it's taken him more than 10 seasons to do it. So it works both ways.
As Scoham suggests, we know that he's Deon Burton ..... not Deon Maradonna nor Deon Pele ..... but Parky has the player actually playing to his strengths to benefit the team unit, rather than expecting him to be the prolific striker that everybody knows he's not.
The other point I made ..... some people say that a striker is only worth his place if he scores prolifically........ in the
present Charlton team, the goals are being regularly scored by players from all areas of the team - that's how the team is tactically set up, so it doesnt matter they are not mostly scored by one striker.
Anyway, as somebody posted on here recently, we've scored 13 goals in 5 matches, the 2nd highest in the league - so the system is clearly working.
Only Huddersfield can better that tally, scoring 1 more than us - and on the back of a 7-1 humiliation of a poor Brighton team seemingly relegation bound.
Burton is doing well and is playing a vital role in a winning team. If he doesn't score another goal all season but we continue as we have played so far I will be happy.