Dowie - £2m on Traore, £2m on Amdy Faye, £30k a week on Fat Jimmy. Utterly unforgiveable. Every football supporter and there gran knew that Traore was a one-man circus, except Dowie. Judging by what I read on the message boards at the time, Liverpool and Newcastle fans were flabbergasted that they got any money for those players, let alone £2m each.
Pardew was a shopaholic and I'll never understand the signings of Dean Sinclair and Stuart Fleetwood, who were never going to get anywhere near our first team in the Championship, but he also made signed some potentially great signings for little or no money (Racon £400k, Semedo Free, Moutouakil £400k, Todorov Free, Weaver Free). Granted, some of those haven't worked out, but Todorov was worth the gamble and looked great until he got injured and Moutouakil arrived as France U21 captain and looked a great prospect until he had the confidence and talent coached out of him.
Despite Pardew's ultimately dismal failure, his time as manager is littered with a few highlights (4-0 v West Ham, double over Palace). There were no highlights or prospects of any with Dowie in charge.
Dowie for me. Bought as many Championship qulity players as possible in the hope that some of them could cut it in the Premiership. It didn't work and we were f*cked. Total f*ckwittage.
His entire career is based on Andy Johnson having one great season at Palarse.
[cite]Posted By: HandG[/cite]Also Dowie inherited an average squad in a very good league, Pardew had a potentially very good squad in a poor league.
Despite reading such a good argument for voting Pardew in answer to this question I still do not think that it is good enough.
As others have said both were a disaster of a manager but the point for me is not how bad they were at the job.
For me the answer will always be Dowie because he 'committed crimes' that go beyond incompetence.
You do not as manager of a football team lose the team on a run so that they have to hitch-hike on a motorway, invite your brother to help with the team talk, bugger off without notice so that no-one can find you etc. These are sackable offenses and totally unforgiveable for me, thus the true 'poison'. Doing your job badly is merely some other very bad potion. Pardew is a potion that leaves you hospitalised (although he did well as a player for us). Dowie was a poison sent from Palace.
Note that I do not write 'end of' as that suggests that no-one else's opinion counts towards the argument. Please stop this awful habit
Pardew was the worst. Dowie was not allowed to bring any of his own staff in, which i think a manger should always be allowed to do as they are obviously part of the reason he had been relatively successful before he joined us. Andrew Mills was a one big waste of space and a huge mistake - not hired by Dowie. I don't believe all the signings under Dowie where his own (remember his title wasn't actually 'Manager'). For example, Traore, Gibbs, Hasselbaink, Faye - Faye and Hasselbaink both stated they had already spoke to Curbs earlier that year about a transfer whilst Gibbs was signed before we had even appointed a manager. The only signings I beliveve Dowie actually had control over where Andy Reid and Scott Carson, who have been 2 of our best players of the past few years. Carson won the supporters player of the year award and we dropped like a stone as soon as Andy Reid was sold. I think we would have come closer to staying up had Dowie remained in charge and even if we had been relegated then I very much doubt we would have been relegated again - I actually think he would of at least got us into the playoffs as he is still one of the best Managers outside of the Premiership and knows how to get teams promoted and Palace were only just relegated under him (Thanks to Jon Fortune!)
[cite]Posted By: The Red Robin[/cite]Pardew was the worst. Dowie was not allowed to bring any of his own staff in, which i think a manger should always be allowed to do as they are obviously part of the reason he had been relatively successful before he joined us.
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He had John Harbin, fat Aussie bloke with Rugby League background, who was his sidekick at Palace and Oldham. He also had Mike Kelly as goalkeeping coach brought from Palace.
He wasn't responsible for Gibbs signing, granted, but Traore was his choice, Diawara was his choice and Faye was his choice. We were deservedly in the relegation zone when he left. The guy was a clown, and an ex-Palace clown at that. Done nothing since to suggest otherwise.
I think Dowie was a ridiculous, pathetic appointment, but If we'd not sacked him after those few games I honestly feel there's no way we would not have done as badly as we did (all those points given to other teams during the Les Reed farce). I actually think we would have stayed up. Charlton fans were NEVER going to take to him though.
And the irony is that they ditched the "Andrew Mills" after that structure all went wrong. (Was this structure the reason Davies pulled out, correct me if I'm wrong)
Pardew, could not give a s**t for the club (indeed, he raped us), blamed everyone else and talked so much bullsh*t.
When it was announced on Xmas Eve or whenever that he was taking over, I was *extremely* happy I will admit (but no so much with the sheep like "Super super Al" at every opportunity rather than get behind the team, and wait for results) BUT I would probably have been happy with more-or-less any proper manager after good-old Les.
Dowie brought a lot of dross and much is made of the £12m but for the number of players we had to acquire that isn't that much in terms of quality/experienced Premiership players. In any case we'll never know how good or how bad he was as he only had a few games in charge.
Pardew was more or less an unmitigated disaster both in terms of many of the players he brought in and those he sold. We could for example had Chris Iwelumo playing up front for us last season, still have Martin Christensen on the payroll, although on the credit side we have Racon and Semedo thanks to him.
[cite]Posted By: The Red Robin[/cite]Pardew was the worst. Dowie was not allowed to bring any of his own staff in, which i think a manger should always be allowed to do as they are obviously part of the reason he had been relatively successful before he joined us.
He wasn't responsible for Gibbs signing, granted, but Traore was his choice, Diawara was his choice and Faye was his choice. We were deservedly in the relegation zone when he left. The guy was a clown, and an ex-Palace clown at that. Done nothing since to suggest otherwise.
I'm not saying he's a great manager - just that Pardew was worse. Plus I don't believe Diawara or Faye were his choice
.... of course diawara and faye were his choice?! who on earth else chose them?
also, earlier in this thread somebody said pardew didn't get near to arresting the slide - that is not even a matter of opinion, it is plain and simple fact that he did. he had a very good stab at keeping us up in the premier league and we wouldve finished comfortable mid-table in terms of points per game if he had been in charge all season. he also had us still in the top 2 of the championship for the first half of the season before he completely screwed it up.
dowie was a spectacularly rapid disaster, he took us over in a very healthy position and with an impressive degree of haste collapsed us to relegation certainties with a vast wage bill and squad largely bereft of talent.
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Pardew was a shopaholic and I'll never understand the signings of Dean Sinclair and Stuart Fleetwood, who were never going to get anywhere near our first team in the Championship, but he also made signed some potentially great signings for little or no money (Racon £400k, Semedo Free, Moutouakil £400k, Todorov Free, Weaver Free). Granted, some of those haven't worked out, but Todorov was worth the gamble and looked great until he got injured and Moutouakil arrived as France U21 captain and looked a great prospect until he had the confidence and talent coached out of him.
Despite Pardew's ultimately dismal failure, his time as manager is littered with a few highlights (4-0 v West Ham, double over Palace). There were no highlights or prospects of any with Dowie in charge.
His entire career is based on Andy Johnson having one great season at Palarse.
Both are talentless bulls##ters, low quality corporate middle management material who see themselves as leaders of men.
Despite reading such a good argument for voting Pardew in answer to this question I still do not think that it is good enough.
As others have said both were a disaster of a manager but the point for me is not how bad they were at the job.
For me the answer will always be Dowie because he 'committed crimes' that go beyond incompetence.
You do not as manager of a football team lose the team on a run so that they have to hitch-hike on a motorway, invite your brother to help with the team talk, bugger off without notice so that no-one can find you etc. These are sackable offenses and totally unforgiveable for me, thus the true 'poison'. Doing your job badly is merely some other very bad potion. Pardew is a potion that leaves you hospitalised (although he did well as a player for us).
Dowie was a poison sent from Palace.
Note that I do not write 'end of' as that suggests that no-one else's opinion counts towards the argument. Please stop this awful habit
He had John Harbin, fat Aussie bloke with Rugby League background, who was his sidekick at Palace and Oldham. He also had Mike Kelly as goalkeeping coach brought from Palace.
He wasn't responsible for Gibbs signing, granted, but Traore was his choice, Diawara was his choice and Faye was his choice. We were deservedly in the relegation zone when he left. The guy was a clown, and an ex-Palace clown at that. Done nothing since to suggest otherwise.
I think Dowie was a ridiculous, pathetic appointment, but If we'd not sacked him after those few games I honestly feel there's no way we would not have done as badly as we did (all those points given to other teams during the Les Reed farce). I actually think we would have stayed up. Charlton fans were NEVER going to take to him though.
And the irony is that they ditched the "Andrew Mills" after that structure all went wrong. (Was this structure the reason Davies pulled out, correct me if I'm wrong)
Pardew, could not give a s**t for the club (indeed, he raped us), blamed everyone else and talked so much bullsh*t.
When it was announced on Xmas Eve or whenever that he was taking over, I was *extremely* happy I will admit (but no so much with the sheep like "Super super Al" at every opportunity rather than get behind the team, and wait for results) BUT I would probably have been happy with more-or-less any proper manager after good-old Les.
Pardew = Odious character.
Dowie brought a lot of dross and much is made of the £12m but for the number of players we had to acquire that isn't that much in terms of quality/experienced Premiership players. In any case we'll never know how good or how bad he was as he only had a few games in charge.
Pardew was more or less an unmitigated disaster both in terms of many of the players he brought in and those he sold. We could for example had Chris Iwelumo playing up front for us last season, still have Martin Christensen on the payroll, although on the credit side we have Racon and Semedo thanks to him.
I'm not saying he's a great manager - just that Pardew was worse. Plus I don't believe Diawara or Faye were his choice
also, earlier in this thread somebody said pardew didn't get near to arresting the slide - that is not even a matter of opinion, it is plain and simple fact that he did. he had a very good stab at keeping us up in the premier league and we wouldve finished comfortable mid-table in terms of points per game if he had been in charge all season. he also had us still in the top 2 of the championship for the first half of the season before he completely screwed it up.
dowie was a spectacularly rapid disaster, he took us over in a very healthy position and with an impressive degree of haste collapsed us to relegation certainties with a vast wage bill and squad largely bereft of talent.