[quote][cite]Posted By: Ru1986[/cite]Valley_floyd_red i am with you on this one but i think thats part of what football has become, no managers take responisbility for their actions.
Despite my bitterness towards the man because of last season, the way i see it is all 3 main clubs hes managed Reading West ham and then us he has done poorly with and got away with it. Now if that was the business world the company (Club in this sense) would either make him pick up all of the debt he created or not have employed him in the first instance as he had rubbish records with other clubs. However he walks scott free, a few months later joins a complete mickey mouse team (saints). Now although i dont deny him the want to work and to accept a obviously good offer from saints i just feel that in football these sort of things are never done fairly and it seems that the fans are the ones loosing out every time.
Now in the business world he wouldnt have been offered the job as he had no reocords of being any good at any team am i wrong also if you wernt to loose your job because of mistakes made you would recieve punishment for your actions but it appears if you are football manager (not a verygood one at that) you dont have to go through everyhting that the rest of us do when making mistakes in the office am i wrong?[/quote]
Sorry but how on earth can you say he done bad at Reading and West Ham? His win % at Reading was almost 50%! He took West Ham places in a very short time and was moments away from winning the F.A Cup with them. It went wrong for him in his final season at West Ham but come on, I bet NO West Ham fan expected him to take them to a mid-table premiership side playing in Europe (although they wasn't in it for long).
His team at reading was put together by another manager, steve coppell. Ok, he rode a ok'ish wave at west ham, but his faults came through in the end and he hasn't learnt from them at all.
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Sorry but how on earth can you say he done bad at Reading and West Ham? His win % at Reading was almost 50%! He took West Ham places in a very short time and was moments away from winning the F.A Cup with them. It went wrong for him in his final season at West Ham but come on, I bet NO West Ham fan expected him to take them to a mid-table premiership side playing in Europe (although they wasn't in it for long).
it's ok mr Saintsfan saying how good pardoo was at reading and west ham was something trotted out by the more desperate amongst us as we were clearly being turned into a joke club by the arrrogant c***.... still if he performs crap with you , you can comfort yourself in his good records at west ham and reading
Hello Saints fan....I wouldn't get too excited if I were you....I could say a lot more but there's not much point.....let's just say he aint flavour of the month in these parts mate.
Ha ha now although i would never say he was the worst manager in the country he is defo up there with the worst of them the man has very little drive and when he was with us clearly cared little about the club. It just winds me up to see people like him and Dowie get away with what they have done in these parts Saintsfan and i am sure you will find this out when (sorry if) he does the sme with you boys. Ha ha good luck in the Pardew era :)
[cite]Posted By: Valley_floyd_red[/cite]How did the instability in the board room affect his decision to use 60 different players in a season? How did boardroom instability determine our inability to defend, play set pieces and score goals?
Pardew needs to take some responsibility for the shitheap he left our club in.
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Sorry but how on earth can you say he done bad at Reading and West Ham? His win % at Reading was almost 50%! He took West Ham places in a very short time and was moments away from winning the F.A Cup with them. It went wrong for him in his final season at West Ham but come on, I bet NO West Ham fan expected him to take them to a mid-table premiership side playing in Europe (although they wasn't in it for long).
it's ok mr Saintsfan saying how good pardoo was at reading and west ham was something trotted out by the more desperate amongst us as we were clearly being turned into a joke club by the arrrogant c***.... still if he performs crap with you , you can comfort yourself in his good records at west ham and reading
Your results improved after Dowie sacking in the Premeirship when he took over, and you were unlucky to miss out on the play offs the season after. But last season, I understand that he lost it.
[cite]Posted By: SoundAsa£[/cite]Hello Saints fan....I wouldn't get too excited if I were you....I could say a lot more but there's not much point.....let's just say he aint flavour of the month in these parts mate.
I wouldn't say I'm excited about the Pardew appointment, more excited about the new owner.
[cite]Posted By: Ru1986[/cite]Ha ha now although i would never say he was the worst manager in the country he is defo up there with the worst of them the man has very little drive and when he was with us clearly cared little about the club. It just winds me up to see people like him and Dowie get away with what they have done in these parts Saintsfan and i am sure you will find this out when (sorry if) he does the sme with you boys. Ha ha good luck in the Pardew era
If he is 'defo' up there with the worst managers in the country, is your current manager there aswell? If not, he should be.
Whilst I have read bad reviews from Charlton fans on your forums, I have read very good reviews from West Ham and Reading fans.
Tbh, I see Pardews appointment as a little bit of a risk but with the right backing, he could do a very good job at Saints. The Coventry fans gave us very bad reports about Gordon Strachan, look how that ended up..
[cite]Posted By: WSS[/cite]With him jumping at the chance to join a bigger club at the earliest opportunity resulting in your club freefalling down a league.
Is that what happened with GS?
I was referring to the fact that we were given very poor reviews from the Coventry fans, much like your reviews about Pardew.
And if he jumps at the chance to join a bigger club, surely that means he's doing a good job if he attracts a bigger club?
I always liked him and thought he was a good manager. He was also a popular player at our place. All my Wet Spam mates said he upset players and had a big time attitude but I thought it was bollocks. He nearly kept us up in the Prem and I was happy to think he could get us back up there.
The last two years were poor at best and some of his choices (like selling Iwellumo) were strange to say the least. Some of the games last season were the worst I have seen in a long time and his self pr efforts were not endearing. When he left the results did not change but the club felt a lot happier without him!
Hopefully for you lot he has taken on board his mistakes (although I doubt he thinks he has made any) and he gets back to working with players instead of asking to buy more when his current crop is not doing it for him.
[cite]Posted By: cfgs[/cite]I always liked him and thought he was a good manager. He was also a popular player at our place. All my Wet Spam mates said he upset players and had a big time attitude but I thought it was bollocks. He nearly kept us up in the Prem and I was happy to think he could get us back up there.
The last two years were poor at best and some of his choices (like selling Iwellumo) were strange to say the least. Some of the games last season were the worst I have seen in a long time and his self pr efforts were not endearing. When he left the results did not change but the club felt a lot happier without him!
Hopefully for you lot he has taken on board his mistakes (although I doubt he thinks he has made any) and he gets back to working with players instead of asking to buy more when his current crop is not doing it for him.
But, did he really sell Iwellumo? Your finances were not the best so maybe you couldn't afford to keep him?
He kinder sounds like a George Burley, looks promising but then does some questionable signings and questionable tatics.
I have to hold my hands up (along with a lot of others) and say that I was pleased when Pardew was appointed (in contrast to my feelings when we appointed Dowie).
I stupidly thought that, as a former popular player with as you say a decentish record at Reading and West Ham, he would be ideal as a manager who understood "the Charlton way" and all our idiosyncracies.
However within a short space of time he slagged off the fans for applauding legends like Dean Kiely on their return, our traditional song Red, Red, Robin, the layout of the ground etc, etc. In short anything and anybody other than look to himself and his own incompetence.
Having wrecked the Club and committed us to paying ridiculous wages to players nowhere near good enough for the first team he clung on and clung on before walking away with a generous pay-off we could ill afford.
Speaking for myself the above is why Pardew is no longer popular in these parts.
[cite]Posted By: cfgs[/cite]I always liked him and thought he was a good manager. He was also a popular player at our place. All my Wet Spam mates said he upset players and had a big time attitude but I thought it was bollocks. He nearly kept us up in the Prem and I was happy to think he could get us back up there.
The last two years were poor at best and some of his choices (like selling Iwellumo) were strange to say the least. Some of the games last season were the worst I have seen in a long time and his self pr efforts were not endearing. When he left the results did not change but the club felt a lot happier without him!
Hopefully for you lot he has taken on board his mistakes (although I doubt he thinks he has made any) and he gets back to working with players instead of asking to buy more when his current crop is not doing it for him.
But, did he really sell Iwellumo? Your finances were not the best so maybe you couldn't afford to keep him?
He kinder sounds like a George Burley, looks promising but then does some questionable signings and questionable tatics.
If we had to sell then it could be put down to the fact that he signed Gray for a seven figure fee.
Basically he likes a revolving door of players, in which you buy high and sell blooming low. This may all sound a tad bitter, but you have to remember he was a very popular player here and so he would have had to have been very poor to generate this amount of vitriol
It will be interesting tio se how the Saints board manage him. We were desperate when he was appointed and I suspect the deal he made, made it virtually impossible for the board to sanction his actions with anything except the sack and even then that carried a £1 million surcharge and payment within a short period of time. This time, whilst Saints needed a manager, he needed a job, as he had few clubs chasing him and he needs to rebuild his reputation. I think he can do well, but he will need a Chairman who can and will say no, even at the risk of the ego walking out.
Saints fan, we did not just miss out on the play offs we finished 10th, after being 2nd'ish at Christmas.
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Despite my bitterness towards the man because of last season, the way i see it is all 3 main clubs hes managed Reading West ham and then us he has done poorly with and got away with it. Now if that was the business world the company (Club in this sense) would either make him pick up all of the debt he created or not have employed him in the first instance as he had rubbish records with other clubs. However he walks scott free, a few months later joins a complete mickey mouse team (saints). Now although i dont deny him the want to work and to accept a obviously good offer from saints i just feel that in football these sort of things are never done fairly and it seems that the fans are the ones loosing out every time.
Now in the business world he wouldnt have been offered the job as he had no reocords of being any good at any team am i wrong also if you wernt to loose your job because of mistakes made you would recieve punishment for your actions but it appears if you are football manager (not a verygood one at that) you dont have to go through everyhting that the rest of us do when making mistakes in the office am i wrong?[/quote]
Sorry but how on earth can you say he done bad at Reading and West Ham? His win % at Reading was almost 50%! He took West Ham places in a very short time and was moments away from winning the F.A Cup with them. It went wrong for him in his final season at West Ham but come on, I bet NO West Ham fan expected him to take them to a mid-table premiership side playing in Europe (although they wasn't in it for long).
it's ok mr Saintsfan saying how good pardoo was at reading and west ham was something trotted out by the more desperate amongst us as we were clearly being turned into a joke club by the arrrogant c***.... still if he performs crap with you , you can comfort yourself in his good records at west ham and reading
Your results improved after Dowie sacking in the Premeirship when he took over, and you were unlucky to miss out on the play offs the season after. But last season, I understand that he lost it.
I wouldn't say I'm excited about the Pardew appointment, more excited about the new owner.
If he is 'defo' up there with the worst managers in the country, is your current manager there aswell? If not, he should be.
Whilst I have read bad reviews from Charlton fans on your forums, I have read very good reviews from West Ham and Reading fans.
Tbh, I see Pardews appointment as a little bit of a risk but with the right backing, he could do a very good job at Saints. The Coventry fans gave us very bad reports about Gordon Strachan, look how that ended up..
Is that what happened with GS?
And if he jumps at the chance to join a bigger club, surely that means he's doing a good job if he attracts a bigger club?
The last two years were poor at best and some of his choices (like selling Iwellumo) were strange to say the least. Some of the games last season were the worst I have seen in a long time and his self pr efforts were not endearing. When he left the results did not change but the club felt a lot happier without him!
Hopefully for you lot he has taken on board his mistakes (although I doubt he thinks he has made any) and he gets back to working with players instead of asking to buy more when his current crop is not doing it for him.
He kinder sounds like a George Burley, looks promising but then does some questionable signings and questionable tatics.
I stupidly thought that, as a former popular player with as you say a decentish record at Reading and West Ham, he would be ideal as a manager who understood "the Charlton way" and all our idiosyncracies.
However within a short space of time he slagged off the fans for applauding legends like Dean Kiely on their return, our traditional song Red, Red, Robin, the layout of the ground etc, etc. In short anything and anybody other than look to himself and his own incompetence.
Having wrecked the Club and committed us to paying ridiculous wages to players nowhere near good enough for the first team he clung on and clung on before walking away with a generous pay-off we could ill afford.
Speaking for myself the above is why Pardew is no longer popular in these parts.
If we had to sell then it could be put down to the fact that he signed Gray for a seven figure fee.
Basically he likes a revolving door of players, in which you buy high and sell blooming low. This may all sound a tad bitter, but you have to remember he was a very popular player here and so he would have had to have been very poor to generate this amount of vitriol
Saints fan, we did not just miss out on the play offs we finished 10th, after being 2nd'ish at Christmas.