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First Five games......

edited July 2009 in General Charlton
I think these first five games could be the most crucial in the clubs history for a very long time.....

If nothing has changed at board level, and with the current fear and pain and mess that the club is in if we start off poorly we could be in trouble from the get go..... and I do not believe for a second that we have the players to battle and get us out of a scrap...

BUT we are still a big fish in this league... a couple of early wins... a bit of a psychological turnaround and Charlton could just be a decent place to watch football again.....

Who would take staying up right now???

I'm not sure....
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  • A year ago we looked at Parky`s record and many could see that he has done well at 3rd division level but has no record higher up.
    Our great start doesnt alter this picture.
    Are we looking at short term enjoyment to the detriment of long term aims.
    It seems some lifers have lost perspective if they see Parky as the new messiah.

    Still he is clearly better than that
  • ...utter git Pardew
  • [cite]Posted By: A-R-T-H-U-R[/cite]
    It seems some lifers have lost perspective if they see Parky as the new messiah.

    Where has anyone said he is the new messiah?
  • [cite]Posted By: A-R-T-H-U-R[/cite]A year ago we looked at Parky`s record and many could see that he has done well at 3rd division level but has no record higher up.

    Something which could easily change if he took us back up and carried on slowly improving the players we have and the squad.

    I don't see him as the new messiah at all, but he's doing well and if we can play like this for a whole season, keep our better players in each transfer window, improve the squad, we'd carry it on and he'd do ok in the Championship.
  • edited August 2009
    Or maybe Parkinson inherited a squad low on confidence etc etc.

    Also the anti-Parkinson brigade from last season were telling me not to use his record in previous seasons in favour of him, so guess what I'm going to say, don't use them against him, enjoy what we have now for what it is instead of worrying about later on.
  • [cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: A-R-T-H-U-R[/cite]
    It seems some lifers have lost perspective if they see Parky as the new messiah.

    Where has anyone said he is the new messiah?

    He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy...
  • Brilliant observation and research Henry.
    No one has actually said that.

    But as you well know there are a number of posts on a range of threads here expressing how people have converted to being PP supporters, having previously been somewhat negative towards him.

    Lookimg at his record with his other club in the division above us, as well as his overall record with us, a season of wins in this mickey mouse league still doesnt make him worthy of any kind of adulation. He got us here after all.
  • edited August 2009
    The idea that a manager can win promotion from League One but not be good enough to manage in the Championship generally doesn't work for me.

    The difference in quality between the two leagues isn't big enough, and the transfer budget of a team just promoted to the Championship won't be vastly different to the average team in the division. It's not like stepping up to the Premiership, where you have to play against teams who have had years of receiving a massively bigger income through tv money. Even the average PL teams have had the time and money (and the appeal of the league) to pick up very good players and develop their structure off the field.
  • PP was clearly not good enough in the 2nd division either as an assistant or as a manager.
    He may, though we only have five games of evidence, be good enough for the third division.

    that should work for you BBC
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  • [cite]Posted By: A-R-T-H-U-R[/cite]Brilliant observation and research Henry.
    No one has actually said that

    No, no one said it other than you which was the point that I was making.
  • [cite]Posted By: A-R-T-H-U-R[/cite]PP was clearly not good enough in the 2nd division either as an assistant or as a manager.
    He may, though we only have five games of evidence, be good enough for the third division.

    that should work for you BBC

    it doesn't work for me as it happens. i disagree with what you said. But seeing as you've ignored what i said and just repeated the same old stuff i guess that's the end of it.
  • Does anyone else think that the team so far this season would not have been relegated last season ? Certainly makes me think that PP could do a decent job in The Championship and whats more is PP any worse than Pulis at Stoke ?
  • I for one am absolutely delighted with our start and the shakey periods(ala wycombe) seem to slowly disappearing.....

    I was sh*t scared thit season that we will be unable to stop the rot.... and to my delight we seem cohesive, inspirational at time (racon, bailey, shelvey)

    Even Sam seems to be stepping up....

    As another thought this could be very valuable to our teams future careers, they are now getting the positive experiance, the lower league experience at their own club.....

    Roll on next week....

    Keep it going Parkinson....

    this could be the rerise of the club we love.......
  • [cite]Posted By: A-R-T-H-U-R[/cite]PP was clearly not good enough in the 2nd division either as an assistant or as a manager.
    I have to say that I totally disagree with that statement. PP was left in an impossible situation by Pardew & he did a bl**dy good job in turning round our form. He didn't get the results but he did lay the solid foundations for this season.
  • [quote][cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite]Does anyone else think that the team so far this season would not have been relegated last season ? Certainly makes me think that PP could do a decent job in The Championship and whats more is PP any worse than Pulis at Stoke ?[/quote]

    I agree , this team would have managed at least mid-table over the complete season.
  • I'm the first to admit that at the end of last season I was annoyed we kept Parky on, but over the summer all his comments and transfers in made sense, he has gone on to prove this with a 100% start to the season and can do no more.

    If fans can't get behind him now then TBH I am gobsmacked. Is he the messiah - I doubt it, but if he takes us up and makes us competitive in the CCC then I will take that for now, especially when he has currently spent a grand total of £0 on transfers.

    5 wins out of five, a record for the club, a 4-0 victory away from home, all our best players still here and performing well AND like they WANT to be here and some people still find something to winge about.
  • [cite]Posted By: BBClaus[/cite]The idea that a manager can win promotion from League One but not be good enough to manage in the Championship generally doesn't work for me.

    The difference in quality between the two leagues isn't big enough, and the transfer budget of a team just promoted to the Championship won't be vastly different to the average team in the division. It's not like stepping up to the Premiership, where you have to play against teams who have had years of receiving a massively bigger income through tv money. Even the average PL teams have had the time and money (and the appeal of the league) to pick up very good players and develop their structure off the field.

    Nice to see it's not just me that thinks that.

    Good point about the step up to the Prem. Only have to look at a few transfers and it's clear to see. Stoke spending £10m+ on Huth and Tuncay for example, they were nowhere near spending that kind of money on their entire squad until they got to the Prem and stayed there. Last season they spent over £1m (I think) on Tom Soares who is nothing more than a squad player there.
  • It doesn't matter whether Parky isn't a Premier League or Championship quality manager, right now. All that matters is whether he's good enough to get us promoted out of League One with the squad we've got (hopefully strengthened with a few useful additions). If we bounce straight back we can worry about all that next year.
  • [cite]Posted By: aliwibble[/cite]It doesn't matter whether Parky isn't a Premier League or Championship quality manager, right now. All that matters is whether he's good enough to get us promoted out of League One with the squad we've got (hopefully strengthened with a few useful additions). If we bounce straight back we can worry about all that next year.

    Exactly, just ask Leeds if they're worrying about the Championship next year and i'm sure they'll tell you that they'd take getting out of this League at any cost.
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  • Are we looking at short term enjoyment to the detriment of long term aims.

    ...........

    Short term we have to get out of this division and to a certain extent I doubt that Dailly or Llera will be with us long term, but sometimes it's about doing a job and they've done it well. Perhaps you could say the same about Burton - who is nearer the end of his career to suggest to me that he has a long-term future at the club, but if he (and Dailly/Llera) give us one great season that ends in promotion then they'll have earned their money.

    Elsewhere Parky is relying a lot on younger players and giving those like Semedo, Racon and Sam an opportunity to express themselves. If our midfield five can stay together for a couple more years then I've no doubt that they can spearhead a promotion out of L1 into the CCC and then back into the Premiership.

    At the back Rob Elliott looks like developing into a great keeper who can grow with the club and I think Richardson is certainly capable of Championship football.

    On the bench we have Solly, Tuna - Mambo is getting work experience albeit outside of League Football, but presumably close enough to home that he can still train with Charlton and tabs can be kept on his improvement, plus there are a couple of others who may become first team regulars in time, so all in all we have the nucleus of a longer-term squad.

    From here it looks like we have got the short, mid and long term objectives covered and in the right order.
  • Perhaps a look at facts might help.
    as assistant and then manager his record is simply appalling.
    But if you guys think that the emotion of winning a few games in this league instantly eradicates his proven track record then I admire your unrealistic optimism.
    I should add that I am enjoying these wins as much as the next fan, but whatever excuses are trotted out, the proof is written as a matter of record.
    PP was not good enough at CL level
  • [cite]Posted By: A-R-T-H-U-R[/cite]Perhaps a look at facts might help.
    as assistant and then manager his record is simply appalling.
    But if you guys think that the emotion of winning a few games in this league instantly eradicates his proven track record then I admire your unrealistic optimism.
    I should add that I am enjoying these wins as much as the next fan, but whatever excuses are trotted out, the proof is written as a matter of record.
    PP was not good enough at CL level

    Am I allowed to say "you are talking bollocks" on this forum?
  • [cite]Posted By: Brunello[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: A-R-T-H-U-R[/cite]Perhaps a look at facts might help.
    as assistant and then manager his record is simply appalling.
    But if you guys think that the emotion of winning a few games in this league instantly eradicates his proven track record then I admire your unrealistic optimism.
    I should add that I am enjoying these wins as much as the next fan, but whatever excuses are trotted out, the proof is written as a matter of record.
    PP was not good enough at CL level

    Am I allowed to say "you are talking bollocks" on this forum?

    I think in this case yes, yes you are!
  • Am I allowed to say "you are talking bollocks" on this forum?


    Im not offended by it mate :-)
  • I assume that Philip Parkinson will be at Carrow Road tomorrow evening to see Norwich play Brentford in the Dulux B&Q Paint Thingy trophy.
  • That starts tommorow does it how come we dont have a game i know nothing about this cup as we have never played in it in my life time.
  • [cite]Posted By: Ru1986[/cite]That starts tommorow does it how come we dont have a game i know nothing about this cup as we have never played in it in my life time.
    We were lucky enough to be one of the teams to get a bye to the second round.
  • [cite]Posted By: A-R-T-H-U-R[/cite]Perhaps a look at facts might help.
    as assistant and then manager his record is simply appalling.
    But if you guys think that the emotion of winning a few games in this league instantly eradicates his proven track record then I admire your unrealistic optimism.
    I should add that I am enjoying these wins as much as the next fan, but whatever excuses are trotted out, the proof is written as a matter of record.
    PP was not good enough at CL level

    He seemed to do allright when he got Colchester to the CCC and they finished in their highest ever league placing.
  • [cite]Posted By: mascot88[/cite]

    Who would take staying up right now???


    I enjoyed the 'We are staying up' chants on Saturday
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