Have been on a real roller coaster with their involvement in Charlton,helped get us back to the valley,then also marshalled the club through our greatest period and could now be leaving at our lowest point in nearly 30 years.Well chaps if this does happen thanks for the memories you boys are proper Charlton.
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but i agree wholeheartedly with your sentiments i know the criticism that MS has heard and read has hurt him by the way he was when i spoke to him last week,
seconded. hope they both stay on in some advisory capacity.
Thank you to the current board. There have been mistakes made by every board in the country but overall our board have been the most dedicated bunch of businessmen/fans i could think of.
Thank you once again.
as and when this all plays out I hope they are kept on in some capacity
well sounds like they wont be able to afford the drinks so someone will have to cough up!
I think Nick Gray has already got this in hand ;-)
Who'd have thought back at that 'last game' against Stoke , what was ahead.
They made some long held dreams come true.
It usually best to wait until an association has concluded, and take in all of the ups and downs, before considering a final judgement of a place in history.
As much as I agree with AFKA's cautionary words, I don't think his view was in any way unique and a sizeable minority of fans/posters have been trying, albeit with a fair degree of trepidation, to blow the whistle on how things have been panning out at CAFC for a long while.
Thing is, because it made for uncomfortable reading and deliberation, it was much easier to dismiss it out of hand.
The fact is Murray has blown it. His best years were while Alan Curbishley was bringing home the Sky TV bacon year in year out. Once he walked out the door, the wheels began falling off. People like Prague Addick point to the role Peter Varney played in CAFC's golden years in the early 2000s, so it's not as if we can simply laud Murray as the great mastermind.
The outrageous spin and poor decision-making in the past two years especially, allied to how badly our 'tight ship' finances have blown up since our first relegation, rightly undermine his reputation.
His quotes last week in the SLP were ill-judged and inappropriate given that the club's financial mismanagement, largely by Murray himself, has cost numerous people their jobs.
Murray and Co lost their lustre a long while ago I'm afraid.
Dear me BFR, you are getting as hot under the collar as the red neck types you (rightly) look down your nose at. Take a deep breath and read what I actually wrote. I have acknowledged Murray had his good years and they were without question during Curbs' reign. That's freakin' obvious.
But such has been his decline one can only say that 'maybe' he just got lucky in appointing Curbs because no-one could have foreseen how truly great a manager he would turn out to be.
Yes, he also appointed Varney, another good decision, and it was this man who drove us forward off the pitch.
I have never suggested Murray is devoid of notable achievements - erm, that's why we are having this debate because people are unsure how to regard him since his spectacular fall from grace. 'Grace' suggests previous high respect after all.
And a major fall from grace is what it is - look at the BS about strategic reviews when Parky was lurching from defeat to defeat, look at Christensen-gate, look at our salary/turnover levels. Remember too my Teutonic friend that Murray and Varney were never shy of blowing their own trumpets as to how sensibly we were managed in the Boardroom. Yet we get relegated and immediately struggle like good old Leeds United?!
In the time since AC left, we have lurched from one terrible decision to another and that obviously devalues Murray's reputation.
At times, you'd think we had been guided by Peter Ridsdale in recent years such is the state of our club, so yes, BFR, he can, rightly, be slagged off for where we are now.
If the club he has managed over many years wasn't in such a parlous financial state right now, we might be saluting new owners today.
Sorry but anyone who writes that sentence is either a total prat and/or trolling for a reaction.
Our salary/turnover ratios have been out of control for several years and Deloitte and Touche estimated that our salaries accounted for 95% of turnover in 2006. That is a suicidal rate and explains why we hit meltdown almost immediately we were relegated.
Murray, spinning away during the Curbs years, claimed we were a template, a model - What for? Certain ruin?
Look at Martin Christensen. A man earning around 6-7K a week and yet unable to play for the first team, even if selected, as we can't afford to pay his feeder club their rightful fee.
Phil Parkinson took over as caretaker manager with the team one win away from safety and he ended the season taking us down 12 points adrift. Murray and Chappell told us there would be a review of PP's position in the New Year and yet he was deemed an ideal appointment after 8 winless games. Here we are in July and he still remains our manager despite a handful of wins in six long months.
I'm sorry BFR but that makes us a total laughing stock in football and that is exactly what Leeds were under Ridsdale. Murray's golden days are a long, long time ago and they were heavily assisted by our outstanding achievements on the pitch.
Alan Curbishley, in my eyes, was the main man in our previous management triumvirate and by some distance. The true test for Murray came when AC left and he got it all so horribly wrong.
we all know who made this club and as soon as he left we made a ridiculously fast fall from grace ... coincidence , i think not
Overall what has Derek Chappell's role been in our downfall?
Bar apparently posting on here. . . .
We are a long way from being run by the likes of Peter Risdale...
As I say above, the finances of football are screwed and that is the nature of the environment we operate in.
Three of the most successful clubs in the EPL i Liverpool, Chelsea and Man U have debts that are beyond crazy, Liverpool for example are refinancing loans without which they'd be bankrupt. Man U - have around £800m of debt on their books, Chelsea - where to start, Man City too...
Even average footballers are commanding salaries that are unsustainable and our wage bill is way too high as a percentage of turnover, just as it is at vortually every club. However it seems to be fashionable to stick the knife in to Murray, but what is he to do - conjure up money? Unfortunately there is only one place to make money in football and that is the premiership and even then you have to take on ridiculous amounts of debt, or have a rich benefactor, and that is just to survive. Newcastle are the first club owned by a bilionaire to get relegated, they won't be the last. You can blame Murray all you like, but that misses the point totally, the system that Charlton have to operate in is economically unsustainable, which is why a host of other clubs have gone into administration over the last few years and why some of the biggest names in the game are in serious financial trouble. Muzzer I think realised this a couple of seasons ago and has been trying to sell the club since, but to compare him with Risdale is just insulting and wrong. If you look at the deals that Risdale did at Leeds and the comparative position of Leeds then and now and compare against Charlton then you'll appreciate that.