Henry Irving said:
Weaver and Toddy did a job and Toddy in particular was unlucky with injuries. Thanks and good luck guys.
I disagree totally. 12 months ago i would have said this, but last season i thought his perceived committment to the cause was nothing short of shocking. A player that appeared to have little interest in digging us out of a hole, who gave the impression that he was worthy than better than where we were.
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When he was good he was very good and was badly missed after his injury.
And he scored the winner at Palace.
Overall, I still say thanks.
On the Alex Hayes Barometer of a Good Player ie if you saw him in a bar in ten years time would you go up, shake his hand and buy him a drink or tell him he was a twat Toddy is definately in the buy him a drink dept IMHO
Wow, you must be broke from the number of drinks you have to buy if this guy satisfy's the criteria ! There are very, very few players I would buy a drink from our current squad. Probably Holland, Fortune and Elliot are the only wans, maybe Darren Ward to say thanks.
As for Weaver - his confidence was the problem. He is 6'4" yet never convinced when coming for crosses. When the going got tough he went introverted and preferred to hide.
Goodbye both of you. good luck in your futures. I won't shed a tear
As I would for Bailey, Racon, Shelvey (too young), Semedo and a few others. It's not about how good they were but how they conducted themselves and for me they did well.
Anyway, my money and I rarely bump into ex-players in bars anyway ; - )
Oh, I remember - about six years before we bought him. Decent player, but a track record of injury at all of his previous clubs. It does make we wonder how much research the Club puts into the injury-proneness of players before we sign them. Maybe we're no worse than other clubs, but it seems that we turn a blind eye to the previous history of some notoriously injury-prone players - or do we just think that they will suddenly be fine when they join us?
We got it right with Mendonca for a few glorious seasons anyway.
Toddy could have really made the difference for us, but I can't help thinking he didn't really try very hard to do it last season. He was horribly hampered by injuries, but just how hard did he try to get fit and get in the team or did he see the ship was sinking and couldn't be bothered to fetch a bailing bucket?
It is inconceivable that played regularly, he wouldn't of regained his form. 2 starts and 10 sub appearances IMHO does not suggest that he was given a decent opportunity by the management. Similarly Dicko seems to have been written off as a failure by some on the strength of a short spell in a poor side, several up front on his own. PP's lack of faith in these strikers meant we bought Burton and loaned Kandol, neither of whom nailed their place as 1st choice. More examples of PP following his predecessor and "try something different and hope it works".
Before he was terminated by that Argyle thug, Toddy showed a quality and flair that was sadly missed in the side, and once Reid was gone ....... well, as a team, Charlton were gone also.
By the time Toddy eventually re-emerged last autumn, he clearly wasn't able to run enough to play any more than a sub role, and apart from a couple of cameo's where he played a major part in changing the game, against Burnley and Argyle away, it was painful to see he was a spent force.
No doubt Toddy was in the Pardew camp. Once Parky was in charge, Toddy was marginalised and fell out with the manager.
Curbs did it often enough. That's football.
Allegedly last season he was on a relatively low basic wage but had a high "appearance fee."
Given our financial difficulties once it became apparent we were unlikely to stay up it is probable they decided they couldn't afford to pay a high appearance fee to a sub albeit a sub capable of changing a game.
I heard that too about the low basic with an appearance fee which I think counters Dave's point on buying injured players.
He was a risk but on a free transfer and but for a Plymouth thug doing him it would have been a risk that came off. Such is life.
It's a shame todorov didn't work out but i have no issues with him
As for Toddy a simply outstanding player in his Pompey days, but seeing him play for Wigan he was past it then. A player I was happy to see us sign, because to watch his touch and vision was fantasy and to be entertained was something to dream about. The thing is if Pardew ever wanted to give him a chance he needed to pick an energetic, physical and compressing midfield.
No matter what anyone says he'd never have been a factor for us under Pardew, expecially when Marcus Bent was sold. His best season at Pompey saw him play with Kamara, Stone, Merson, Sherwood and Quashie all physical players and capable of being direct. With Iwelumo, Varney or Gray they'd not provide him the physical support and not have a clue what he was up to with his intelligent play. As for our midfield I think we all know the answer there.
Not a chance
Will be very surprised if he manages another 30 games in his career
I would not want to pay his national Insurance stamp , let alone a salary. IMO not the only one.......
But he got his "Palace Medal" ...
I don't blame him at all; that's just life sometimes.
Agree with Big Stem.
If 'The Beast', as Argyle call him, hadn't crocked Toddy - Toddy may have been a major influence that season, and maybe Reid wouldn't have left if we were sitting pretty in either of the top 2 places in January.
Toddy's season curtailed in the 12th game of 46, cost us dear in respect of goals and points.
Cost Toddy dear too ...... it's his career and livelihood, remember.
I'll be surprised if he's able to continue playing at the level he's used to.
I equate the signing to Curbs gambling on Jeffers who was cheap in Premiership terms and would have been heralded as a real bargain had he shown the form he showed for Everton as a young lad. In that home game against Villa when he scored twice I thought good old Curbs had pulled off a real masterstroke. Sadly it didn't last and then we had to go 4-5-1 which was effectively the kiss of death for him.
Sometimes a manager has to take a calculated gamble. Toddy is one of the few things I don't blame Pardew for.
Any news on the Cardiff transfer rumour.....?
I see in today's Super Throwaway Scum, that Cardiff have accepted a £5 mill offer for their centreback Roger Johnson.
Not good enough any more all round, simply because of that physical side (including his injury problems as well).
Imagine that if Johnson is sold then they will have a vacancy at CH and the cash to fill it. Doubt we will get £5m for Marky : - 0
He was a slow player before the injury and simply couldn't compete after. What could we have done differently? He was under contract when he got injured and no-one was going to buy him when it was clear he would never fully recover.
We can only hope and pray that the same isn't true for Forch. But its unfair to take anything away from toddy because he didn't recover.