[cite]Posted By: dabos[/cite]Is there really such thing as a flukey hat-trick? They may have all been from 6 yards out, but if you're not in the right place you don't score them and we're crying out for someone to do that regularly. I'm not saying that Burton is the man to fire us to promotion, but you've got to give him credit for that hat-trick.
If Dickson had scored that hat trick he'd get all sorts of praise and hype.
Burton got in good positions and finished them off. He doesn't do it often enough, but he did that game.
As Oggy said no Charlton striker has done that since Kevin Lisbie, not even Darren Bent could do it in a competitive game.
perhaps super kev might not be wanted at ipswich by Roy Keane or he mighth be shelved out on loan i hope dickson can cut it in league one and prove a lot of people wrong including me
[cite]Posted By: Lee Heywood[/cite]is it true Hudson on his way to Cardiff £1m deal
Where did you see that? I've read about Cardiff's interest, but nothing about a fee. £1m would be a very good deal for us after he personally had a very average season.
[cite]Posted By: Centenary_Shirt[/cite]I believe that the Gills are in for Dickson the same way we are in for Ward. Had him on loan from a higher club, he impressed and rhe club would like to sign him.
However, the likelihood of either making that much of a step down is doubtful in my opinion.
hardly a step down for Dicko now is it.
Its easily as much of a step down as Ward to us. And not forgetting he turned them down for a permanent deal when he wasn't even getting a game for us.
Sounds like I m the only one that want Dickson not only to stay but start. He's one of the only ones who has passion unlike some of the other muppets who played up front. I think in the league we will be playing in this year he will do a great job.
Which team mates ? the one that were there for a month or 2 loans ? I just see a kid who has done a great job considering he used to play for dulwich hamlet a couple years back. I also think if they had a proper management team around he could have done a better job.
It has nothing to do with loans. Some players are quiet, some are not, some get frustrated as Chris's constant hyper attitude, some love it. Its all about if you are a quiet person or a loud one.
But it does split the dressing room which makes Chris's position more difficult.
Imagine having someone at work who never sits down, is never quiet and constantly wants attention. Then imagine your company is going through the worst run of orders (or whatever your company does) that it has seen in a long time and your perfomance has been a major reason for that.
Wouldn't be so fun then would it. And that's the problem.
Not - and I'm very clear on this - that I would ever wish Dicko to change or calm down, but at work everyone has to realise the effect they have on others.
From what i understand, a bit of a Gazza syndrome with Dicko.
Someone who is hyper, ultra confident and all-consuming can be tolerable when things are going well or a real team asset on the pitch, when those two things aren't happening can easily turn into a bit of a pain.
Strange the amount of people on here that feel Burton is slow, always thought he was quite nippy myself. If I was describing a forward as slow, I would probably cite someone like Chris Iwelumo!
That may be the actuality Centenary, but it is also the very reason why the vast majority of no marks do nothings in our squad need to be given the boot. Not one of them takes account of themselves on the pit. Whether Dickson is effective or not he runs his socks off, which is something the vast majority of our players don't do. And a quality in Dickson that will make his luck at the lower level.
[cite]Posted By: Essex_Al[/cite]Strange the amount of people on here that feel Burton is slow, always thought he was quite nippy myself. If I was describing a forward as slow, I would probably cite someone like Chris Iwelumo!
He's not, it's just that some fans described anyone that isn't quick as slow. He's certainly quicker than Gray.
[cite]Posted By: ColinTat[/cite]Whether Dickson is effective or not he runs his socks off, which is something the vast majority of our players don't do.
I don't agree with that, yes we've had far lazier players, but he's not got the constant work rate of say Varney or Darren Bent.
I remember one game he came on and the other players were shouting at him to close down.
It's not the worst part of his game, but closing down isn't a strength of his either.
I think what I would say though Sco, is that while he may not be a hassler and harrier in the Varney mould, he is always moving and looking to get involved in the game, so I think he works hard in that sense and in some ways that is more the kind of work rate you want from a striker - you can employ midfielders to do what Varney did.
Like I said, Dicko has his flaws, but I doubt many defences in League 1 will enjoy playing against him. If we're going to get the best from him though, he needs the right partner - someone with experience who can be a foil for him and will chip in with goals themselves so the pressure isn't all on Dickson. Hopefully in Gray or Burton we already have that player.
The one thing that Dicko did well at Dulwich Hamlet and Gillingham - was put the ball in the net.
If we can have a striker who does that, then we'll win matches we otherwise wouldn't.
Dicko's 11 goals in 11 League starts for Gillingham were in the same division as we find ourselves in this season.
Like most strikers he'll thrive on a decent service - but he can also conjure a goal out of nothing, or hit the most speculative shot into the back of the net.
If he can do it in a struggling no-mark side as Gillingham were that season, he must have every chance of at least repeating that feat with better players around him.
We just need to allow him to play to his strengths.
Sounds like I m the only one that want Dickson not only to stay but start.
You're not alone! I agree.
I also think it goes a bit far to say the dressing room will be divided on whether you like chris dickson or not. He's got a big personality but i'm sure he knows there are times to keep quiet.
Plenty of teammates don't get on but as long as they do it on the pitch, no problem.
[cite]Posted By: Exiled_Addick[/cite]I think what I would say though Sco, is that while he may not be a hassler and harrier in the Varney mould, he is always moving and looking to get involved in the game, so I think he works hard in that sense and in some ways that is more the kind of work rate you want from a striker - you can employ midfielders to do what Varney did.
Like I said, Dicko has his flaws, but I doubt many defences in League 1 will enjoy playing against him. If we're going to get the best from him though, he needs the right partner - someone with experience who can be a foil for him and will chip in with goals themselves so the pressure isn't all on Dickson. Hopefully in Gray or Burton we already have that player.
Fair points and I agree about the partnerships. We've got to start getting proper partnerships all over the pitch, and up front is somewhere we haven't got right for a long time. Even when Darren Bent was here, he was at his best on his own!
We've seen all sorts of strikers played together up front, including some that were never going to work in the long term.
Sounds like I m the only one that want Dickson not only to stay but start.
You're not alone! I agree.
I also think it goes a bit far to say the dressing room will be divided on whether you like chris dickson or not. He's got a big personality but i'm sure he knows there are times to keep quiet.
Plenty of teammates don't get on but as long as they do it on the pitch, no problem.
i am in with you lot he just needs a good oportunity to show us what he can do he has not has that yet
Sounds like I m the only one that want Dickson not only to stay but start.
You're not alone! I agree.
I also think it goes a bit far to say the dressing room will be divided on whether you like chris dickson or not. He's got a big personality but i'm sure he knows there are times to keep quiet.
Plenty of teammates don't get on but as long as they do it on the pitch, no problem.
[cite]Posted By: Oggy Red[/cite]We just need to allow him to play to his strengths.
Goes with what I'm saying about partnerships, too often we don't look like a team because we're not using the players in the best way possible.
I think thats one of the key areas we've lost our way. You always got the sense with Curbs that the team came first whereas with Pardew it was more about individual talent - could you have ever seen Pardew dropping someone like Murphy in a quest for defensive stability? It's true that such a pragmatic tactical style didn't always make for the prettiest viewing but it did the job more often than not. I sensed Parkinson was trying to get us back towards a more balanced team unit but, as we know, his hands were tied a bit last season. If he stays in charge, time will tell if he has AC's eye for a grafter with a bit of ability.
[quote][cite]Posted By: Centenary_Shirt[/cite]It has nothing to do with loans. Some players are quiet, some are not, some get frustrated as Chris's constant hyper attitude, some love it. Its all about if you are a quiet person or a loud one.
But it does split the dressing room which makes Chris's position more difficult.
Imagine having someone at work who never sits down, is never quiet and constantly wants attention. Then imagine your company is going through the worst run of orders (or whatever your company does) that it has seen in a long time and your perfomance has been a major reason for that.
Wouldn't be so fun then would it. And that's the problem.
Not - and I'm very clear on this - that I would ever wish Dicko to change or calm down, but at work everyone has to realise the effect they have on others.[/quote] Yes CS , but isn't that something you want in a player fire, passion the will to play and get the ball in the back of the net. I believe if we had a proper manager, YES proper unlike Parkinson, Someone who knew how to manage players and a team we would get so much more out of him.
About his level if true although am surprised that Stimson at Barnet has not had another look. Know he did not impress on loan last season but this is League 2 and Barnet will need a new striker now O'Flynn has gone.
I'm still confused by that run of goals at Gillingham. Was it luck? Or does he have the ability and it was a case of actually putting in some effort during that spell? Maybe the former, because if it was the latter you really think he'd be bucking up his ideas right about now
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If Dickson had scored that hat trick he'd get all sorts of praise and hype.
Burton got in good positions and finished them off. He doesn't do it often enough, but he did that game.
As Oggy said no Charlton striker has done that since Kevin Lisbie, not even Darren Bent could do it in a competitive game.
is it true Hudson on his way to Cardiff £1m deal
Where did you see that? I've read about Cardiff's interest, but nothing about a fee. £1m would be a very good deal for us after he personally had a very average season.
Its easily as much of a step down as Ward to us. And not forgetting he turned them down for a permanent deal when he wasn't even getting a game for us.
But it does split the dressing room which makes Chris's position more difficult.
Imagine having someone at work who never sits down, is never quiet and constantly wants attention. Then imagine your company is going through the worst run of orders (or whatever your company does) that it has seen in a long time and your perfomance has been a major reason for that.
Wouldn't be so fun then would it. And that's the problem.
Not - and I'm very clear on this - that I would ever wish Dicko to change or calm down, but at work everyone has to realise the effect they have on others.
Someone who is hyper, ultra confident and all-consuming can be tolerable when things are going well or a real team asset on the pitch, when those two things aren't happening can easily turn into a bit of a pain.
He's not, it's just that some fans described anyone that isn't quick as slow. He's certainly quicker than Gray.
I don't agree with that, yes we've had far lazier players, but he's not got the constant work rate of say Varney or Darren Bent.
I remember one game he came on and the other players were shouting at him to close down.
It's not the worst part of his game, but closing down isn't a strength of his either.
Like I said, Dicko has his flaws, but I doubt many defences in League 1 will enjoy playing against him. If we're going to get the best from him though, he needs the right partner - someone with experience who can be a foil for him and will chip in with goals themselves so the pressure isn't all on Dickson. Hopefully in Gray or Burton we already have that player.
If we can have a striker who does that, then we'll win matches we otherwise wouldn't.
Dicko's 11 goals in 11 League starts for Gillingham were in the same division as we find ourselves in this season.
Like most strikers he'll thrive on a decent service - but he can also conjure a goal out of nothing, or hit the most speculative shot into the back of the net.
If he can do it in a struggling no-mark side as Gillingham were that season, he must have every chance of at least repeating that feat with better players around him.
We just need to allow him to play to his strengths.
You're not alone! I agree.
I also think it goes a bit far to say the dressing room will be divided on whether you like chris dickson or not. He's got a big personality but i'm sure he knows there are times to keep quiet.
Plenty of teammates don't get on but as long as they do it on the pitch, no problem.
Fair points and I agree about the partnerships. We've got to start getting proper partnerships all over the pitch, and up front is somewhere we haven't got right for a long time. Even when Darren Bent was here, he was at his best on his own!
We've seen all sorts of strikers played together up front, including some that were never going to work in the long term.
Goes with what I'm saying about partnerships, too often we don't look like a team because we're not using the players in the best way possible.
i am in with you lot he just needs a good oportunity to show us what he can do he has not has that yet
I AGREE TOO !!
I think thats one of the key areas we've lost our way. You always got the sense with Curbs that the team came first whereas with Pardew it was more about individual talent - could you have ever seen Pardew dropping someone like Murphy in a quest for defensive stability? It's true that such a pragmatic tactical style didn't always make for the prettiest viewing but it did the job more often than not. I sensed Parkinson was trying to get us back towards a more balanced team unit but, as we know, his hands were tied a bit last season. If he stays in charge, time will tell if he has AC's eye for a grafter with a bit of ability.
But it does split the dressing room which makes Chris's position more difficult.
Imagine having someone at work who never sits down, is never quiet and constantly wants attention. Then imagine your company is going through the worst run of orders (or whatever your company does) that it has seen in a long time and your perfomance has been a major reason for that.
Wouldn't be so fun then would it. And that's the problem.
Not - and I'm very clear on this - that I would ever wish Dicko to change or calm down, but at work everyone has to realise the effect they have on others.[/quote] Yes CS , but isn't that something you want in a player fire, passion the will to play and get the ball in the back of the net. I believe if we had a proper manager, YES proper unlike Parkinson, Someone who knew how to manage players and a team we would get so much more out of him.
Not up to it.