Of course I really want him to stay, but I think Aston Villa would be good if it had to be anyone. At one of the top clubs he'd be better off going out on loan. Even with 7 subs, they have big squads and so many promising youngsters he'd find it hard to make the bench regularly.
They're slowly improving under O'Neill, have money to spend if they need it, but carry on bringing through young players. Could play being a striker in a 4-3-3/4-5-1, pick out passes for players like Agbonlahor and Ashley Young, and they have experienced English players like Barry and Luke Young to help him, give him advice etc.
As I said in the rumours forum, I wouldn't be surprised if a relegated club like Middlesbrough (or whoever goes down) goes for him. He'd get more games and could potentially be in the Prem after a season.
The intelligent thing for him to do would be to stay at Charlton and rather go to Premier League club and play very little football he should stay and get a seasons worth of experience behind him and then assess his options Summer 2010.
[cite]Posted By: SE7 Expat[/cite]Right its clear that we would love him to stay, but he most probably won't. So if he does go where would you like him to go ?
I would say Arsenal
Thanks a million mate...most of us are at least hanging on to the hope that he stays...posts like yours aren't exactly helping the collective nerves!
Jesus is this the thing I can expect to see on here from now on until he does finally leave, which will more than likely not be this summer if he has any sense, he still doesn't have 20 professional games under his belt does he?!
He is a huge prospect but is still feckn 17, and not 18 till next feb, and although we are financial in dire straits is still gonna be pickin up a fantastic pay check
I think he should go...on holiday and then return for pre-season. He has a great career ahead of him, much of which I suspect is destined to be for clubs other than Charlton and in higher leagues. He'd be wise though to get some good first team experience under his belt while he can and then move on in a couple of years rather than disappear into the reserve team of a premiership club.
For those of you who didnt pick it up from another thread 'Uncle' who posts on here is getting or has now got his season ticket for next year. If I recall rightly his first season ticket.
Highly inconclusive I give you but the best indicator yet. Jonjo really wants to play football and I think apart from anything the fitness and strength he may gain from another year at Charlton would do him and his valuation no harm.
BlackForestReds 1 minute ago quote# 9 I think he should go...on holiday and then return for pre-season. He has a great career ahead of him, much of which I suspect is destined to be for clubs other than Charlton and in higher leagues. He'd be wise though to get some good first team experience under his belt while he can and then move on in a couple of years rather than disappear into the reserve team of a premiership club.
sound advice, for him and Charlton.......Frankly what is the rush....... to sit on the bench at Arsenal for three seasons like Walcott!, he needs regular games in his best position, not overplayed, nor underplayed......i.e. rest him for the cup games.
If his value is £3 million that is peanuts for a player with his potential..... £7-10 million is his value to us, and £30 million plus if he does mature into the player we think he can be, then like Darren Bent good luck to him,
But if no one is interested in buying Charlton the club will be short of cash and the board might jump at chance to grab a quick 3M off a premiership team.
Although I agree its not much considering his skills / potential. The sell and loan back option isn't a bad one, but not sure how many clubs will want to do that.
[cite]Posted By: SE7 Expat[/cite]But if no one is interested in buying Charlton the club will be short of cash and the board might jump at chance to grab a quick 3M off a premiership team.
Although I agree its not much considering his skills / potential. The sell and loan back option isn't a bad one, but not sure how many clubs will want to do that.
The board would be foolish to take £3m for him, for one thing they want the fans to buy season tickets and if they are cashing in on the best young player in the squad then I think it'll dissuade many people to take a ST next year. In addition retaining Shelvey makes the club far more sellable than it would be without him.
Look chaps some of you are being a bit too "financially responsible". By all means be aware that the club is a business, but we do not have the figures. Until I see the P&L, and know the salaries of all the other dross we could easily get rid of, not to mention seeing Mr Waggott using his ex-agent skills to negotiate some fees for the likes of Andy Gray, I will refuse to accept that selling JonJo now is financially imperative. As BFR and Ken from Bexley point out, its not even financially the brightest thing to do.
We on the other hand as fans have earned the right to have the pleasure of watching JonJo for at least one more season.
Never mind where he should go we should send one message loud and clear to both the Board and the media:
Yep, the board should be made well aware that Jonjo is not for sale unless some Premiership team with more money than sense offer well above the £3-5m that has been mooted.
Jonjo will always be for sale. Its just a question of price.
Its sad but its always been the case and always will.
But the real sadness is that young talent like Jonjo may not get to play much if he leaves. You cant blame Charlton for that. The reality is that next year in addition to the Champions League will be the Europa League. That actually means that we are not playing in the 3rd tier but the 5th tier in terms of the revenue being generated.
Of course it is true that everybody and everything has their price. However its also a cliche behind which people can take the easier route rather than the better one.
The thing is "Not For Sale" is the title of a book on my mantlepiece which describes how the Man United fans - the fans - saw off the BSkyB bid. I recommend it. I am not saying that we can single handedly stop it. I am saying though that if we just meekly go along with it, it is more likely to happen, and if we stand up and contest it, demand to know more about the P&L figures etc, it may push the Board to look at other potentially less easy routes to balance the books.
How about not selling him, building a side around him and a decent older midfielder and putting out a statement of intent about what the club want for the coming season? I totally agree with Prague on this.
[cite]Posted By: PragueAddick[/cite]Of course it is true that everybody and everything has their price. However its also a cliche behind which people can take the easier route rather than the better one.
The thing is "Not For Sale" is the title of a book on my mantlepiece which describes how the Man United fans - the fans - saw off the BSkyB bid. I recommend it. I am not saying that we can single handedly stop it. I am saying though that if we just meekly go along with it, it is more likely to happen, and if we stand up and contest it, demand to know more about the P&L figures etc, it may push the Board to look at other potentially less easy routes to balance the books.
What other routes have you in mind Prague?
I agree with your sentiment but the first and foremost thing is that this Board incredibly got him to sign a contract only a few weeks back. I hate the thought of it but if no new money comes in and the cupboard is empty our very survival may depend on Shelveys sale. As you say we dont have the figures but to have taken the action they did on the Property deals doesnt make for a rosy picture. And at a time of the worst economic outlook since WW2.
Well we don't have the figures. So we are both speculating. But let's start with the P&L. We need to know what the deficit is actually going to be (which partly depends on revenue of course, season ticket sales...) You need a list of other players that we would not miss at all, and my God we can name a few, can't we. How much does it reduce the cost side, getting rid of them first? And you start with the out of contract, and with the most useless, presumably Darren Ambrose, and work you way up to the most useful, ZZ, and see what you've saved. Then you look at those who could be sold, and you charge Steve Waggott with optimising the fee he can get for them. And only then, when all of that has been done to the best of everyone's business ability, do you start chopping away at the good stuff, namely Bailey, Racon and last, last, last JonJo. And you only do that having really assured the fans that financially its imperative, and that they really went about the process as described. I can't be sure that this would work especially because we don't know the financial starting point. Nor do I suggest that it is especially insightful, but on the other hand I have lost some faith in the Board, or certain members of it, to the extent that I don't assume they would automatically follow this logical process unless they felt pressured to do so by the fans.
PragueAddick, until your last sentence I fully agree with you.
However, assumptions are pointless precisely because that is what they are, assumptions.
None of us know the process that the board will follow. A number of fans have lost faith in certain members of the board (and a number have not) so speculating does nothing apart from potentially causing division.
Clearly it is essential that the much rumoured takeover is progressed asap. I think in fairness to Parky he has made a fair point in saying the recovery starts now and these next few days/weeks are crucial.
Ordinarily I would expect statements on players to go very soon but it may be that there is a delay until we know which way its going.
Assuming the takeover goes away I expect them to do all the things you have said. And to be honest I agree with the postings made that we appear 'top heavy' in terms of management. Selling Jonjo I agree is the last act of a desperate club.
Assuming a takeover is realistic then I'd hope to hear something soonish. If I was interested in buying the club I'd want to wait until I knew what division the club was going to play in (as obviously that affects the value of the club). But I wouldn't want to delay for too long as some of the better squad members, especially those out of contract, will start signing contracts elsewhere, which they are free to do when the window opens (July 1st??).
[cite]Posted By: BlackForestReds[/cite]Assuming a takeover is realistic then I'd hope to hear something soonish. If I was interested in buying the club I'd want to wait until I knew what division the club was going to play in (as obviously that affects the value of the club). But I wouldn't want to delay for too long as some of the better squad members, especially those out of contract, will start signing contracts elsewhere, which they are free to do when the window opens (July 1st??).
Getting off the thread a bit but I cant think of a player out of contract who I am desperate to stay. ZZ I have assumed will go whatever but apart from him I cant think of anybody.
Getting off the thread a bit but I cant think of a player out of contract who I am desperate to stay. ZZ I have assumed will go whatever but apart from him I cant think of anybody.
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I'm not sure of the exact list either (there is a thread with the details on) but I'd like to keep ZZ and Fortune.
We are lucky that a number of players who are among the higher earners are out of contract and so can be moved on. I can't imagine anyone wanting to pay good money for say Darren Ambrose and therefore if he was still under contract we'd have his inflated wages to find every week.
Thing is as of yet we haven't had any news about the purchase of the club. I suspect the club is pretending they will be a big annoucement / won't sell our best players so they can get as many people possible to renew or purchase new season tickets. Sad but true.
Has it not occurred to anyone that it might, just might, be possible that Jonjo is a better person than any other pro footballer, and will be happy to stick with us - the club he supports - and not chase the ££££, or the "glory" of playing for some club whose fans come from 250 miles away and with whom he has no connection whatsoever?
It's a long shot in this modern world I know, but some people still cannot be bought.
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They're slowly improving under O'Neill, have money to spend if they need it, but carry on bringing through young players. Could play being a striker in a 4-3-3/4-5-1, pick out passes for players like Agbonlahor and Ashley Young, and they have experienced English players like Barry and Luke Young to help him, give him advice etc.
As I said in the rumours forum, I wouldn't be surprised if a relegated club like Middlesbrough (or whoever goes down) goes for him. He'd get more games and could potentially be in the Prem after a season.
Thanks a million mate...most of us are at least hanging on to the hope that he stays...posts like yours aren't exactly helping the collective nerves!
He is a huge prospect but is still feckn 17, and not 18 till next feb, and although we are financial in dire straits is still gonna be pickin up a fantastic pay check
His contract is only for 2 years, so we'll have to sell him next summer anyway if we want a fee
Highly inconclusive I give you but the best indicator yet. Jonjo really wants to play football and I think apart from anything the fitness and strength he may gain from another year at Charlton would do him and his valuation no harm.
I think he should go...on holiday and then return for pre-season. He has a great career ahead of him, much of which I suspect is destined to be for clubs other than Charlton and in higher leagues. He'd be wise though to get some good first team experience under his belt while he can and then move on in a couple of years rather than disappear into the reserve team of a premiership club.
sound advice, for him and Charlton.......Frankly what is the rush....... to sit on the bench at Arsenal for three seasons like Walcott!, he needs regular games in his best position, not overplayed, nor underplayed......i.e. rest him for the cup games.
If his value is £3 million that is peanuts for a player with his potential..... £7-10 million is his value to us, and £30 million plus if he does mature into the player we think he can be, then like Darren Bent good luck to him,
Although I agree its not much considering his skills / potential. The sell and loan back option isn't a bad one, but not sure how many clubs will want to do that.
The board would be foolish to take £3m for him, for one thing they want the fans to buy season tickets and if they are cashing in on the best young player in the squad then I think it'll dissuade many people to take a ST next year. In addition retaining Shelvey makes the club far more sellable than it would be without him.
We on the other hand as fans have earned the right to have the pleasure of watching JonJo for at least one more season.
Never mind where he should go we should send one message loud and clear to both the Board and the media:
JonJo Shelvey is NOT FOR SALE!
A start of a new thread? Well said Prague.
Its sad but its always been the case and always will.
But the real sadness is that young talent like Jonjo may not get to play much if he leaves. You cant blame Charlton for that. The reality is that next year in addition to the Champions League will be the Europa League. That actually means that we are not playing in the 3rd tier but the 5th tier in terms of the revenue being generated.
The thing is "Not For Sale" is the title of a book on my mantlepiece which describes how the Man United fans - the fans - saw off the BSkyB bid. I recommend it. I am not saying that we can single handedly stop it. I am saying though that if we just meekly go along with it, it is more likely to happen, and if we stand up and contest it, demand to know more about the P&L figures etc, it may push the Board to look at other potentially less easy routes to balance the books.
A couple more years with us and then Arsenal to make him the finished article and England regular with Jack Wilshere beside him
What other routes have you in mind Prague?
I agree with your sentiment but the first and foremost thing is that this Board incredibly got him to sign a contract only a few weeks back. I hate the thought of it but if no new money comes in and the cupboard is empty our very survival may depend on Shelveys sale. As you say we dont have the figures but to have taken the action they did on the Property deals doesnt make for a rosy picture. And at a time of the worst economic outlook since WW2.
Well we don't have the figures. So we are both speculating. But let's start with the P&L. We need to know what the deficit is actually going to be (which partly depends on revenue of course, season ticket sales...) You need a list of other players that we would not miss at all, and my God we can name a few, can't we. How much does it reduce the cost side, getting rid of them first? And you start with the out of contract, and with the most useless, presumably Darren Ambrose, and work you way up to the most useful, ZZ, and see what you've saved. Then you look at those who could be sold, and you charge Steve Waggott with optimising the fee he can get for them. And only then, when all of that has been done to the best of everyone's business ability, do you start chopping away at the good stuff, namely Bailey, Racon and last, last, last JonJo. And you only do that having really assured the fans that financially its imperative, and that they really went about the process as described. I can't be sure that this would work especially because we don't know the financial starting point. Nor do I suggest that it is especially insightful, but on the other hand I have lost some faith in the Board, or certain members of it, to the extent that I don't assume they would automatically follow this logical process unless they felt pressured to do so by the fans.
However, assumptions are pointless precisely because that is what they are, assumptions.
None of us know the process that the board will follow. A number of fans have lost faith in certain members of the board (and a number have not) so speculating does nothing apart from potentially causing division.
Ordinarily I would expect statements on players to go very soon but it may be that there is a delay until we know which way its going.
Assuming the takeover goes away I expect them to do all the things you have said. And to be honest I agree with the postings made that we appear 'top heavy' in terms of management. Selling Jonjo I agree is the last act of a desperate club.
Getting off the thread a bit but I cant think of a player out of contract who I am desperate to stay. ZZ I have assumed will go whatever but apart from him I cant think of anybody.
.................
I'm not sure of the exact list either (there is a thread with the details on) but I'd like to keep ZZ and Fortune.
We are lucky that a number of players who are among the higher earners are out of contract and so can be moved on. I can't imagine anyone wanting to pay good money for say Darren Ambrose and therefore if he was still under contract we'd have his inflated wages to find every week.
It's a long shot in this modern world I know, but some people still cannot be bought.