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Where Does The Blame Lie?

What I am finding amazing is how quiet and laid back the club is about our impending relegation. The silence from the board is deafening. I know that most fans have resigned themselves to relegation months ago. However Charlton Athletic has a requirement to the shareholders and fans to carry out an investigation and to ascertain blame for this fiasco. The fans as paying customers should be told exactly what has gone wrong, why it was allowed to continue and importantly where the blame lays.

In any other business such a catastrophic failure would result in heads rolling. However the board seems astonishingly calm about the situation. We must be the only club in the country where a manager with the unbelievable record of 3 wins from 25 matches can plan ahead for the following season.

I can think of no other football club, or indeed business where such a fall from grace would be accepted so calmly.
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  • I think the probability is that the Board blames Dowie and Pardew for spunking the parachute and Bent money leaving Parky in a position whereby he could only sign has beens or loans which hardly gave him the best opportunity of stopping the rot.

    Given that the Board appointed both Dowie and Pardew (in fairness with the blessing of the fans in Pardew's case) it is all too clear that the buck stops there hence the silence.
  • if 12 games was long enough for dowie then why appoint him in the first place
  • LenGlover you are probably right.

    I would imagine that Richard Murray and most members of the board must have had many sleepless nights wishing that they could have turned the clock back. For all of the good things that Richard Murray has done for this club he clearly has been ia major factor in our subsequent decline.
  • Don't know if ''quiet and laid back'' is how I would describe it, Dickie. Probably more ''too embarrassed and mortified to say anthing''...

    However, if you are suggesting that there is an implicit air of ''well with the cards we were dealt it was almost inevitable'', then I agree with you and I find it an unacceptable attitude because I don't believe in karma or que sera sera or any of that other fatalistic nonsense.

    The fault, dear Brutus, lies not in our stars, but in ourselves that we are underlings...
  • How many times do we need to go over this?
  • We could all go hunting for scapegoats, but the damage is done and through the trapdoor we'll go.

    Just because the Board are not presently doing their dirty washing in public, doesn't mean they consider all's well and don't give a toss.

    For all you know, the strategies of the next season may aready have been decided.
    Abd many of the parts in place.

    Frequently, you have to step back and detach yourself emotionally ...... to truly see the big picture.
    Only then can the remedy seem clearer.

    And you don't need to shout from the rooftops to do so.
  • Of course its a disaster and one we couldn`t have predicted just three years ago. I am fairly sure that the board have already done their work behind the scenes in assessing what went wrong and have spent their time in recent weeks in working to minimise the impact in financial terms and doing all they can to seek outside investment or indeed a new buyer. Pinning blame on certain individuals is not going to help us now and through all the disapointment I feel about our situation I still don`t want the board unduly critisised for what may have been wrong decisions but made with good intentions. We need to pull together now and that includes getting behind Parkinson ( and I have called for his sacking) if the board decide that he is going to manage us next season. Getting back up to the championship won`t be as easy as some people think and it will be made a damn site harder if we now start pulling the club apart.
  • Blame culture is endemic in 21st century society.
  • [cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite]Of course its a disaster and one we couldn`t have predicted just three years ago. I am fairly sure that the board have already done their work behind the scenes in assessing what went wrong and have spent their time in recent weeks in working to minimise the impact in financial terms and doing all they can to seek outside investment or indeed a new buyer. Pinning blame on certain individuals is not going to help us now and through all the disapointment I feel about our situation I still don`t want the board unduly critisised for what may have been wrong decisions but made with good intentions. We need to pull together now and that includes getting behind Parkinson ( and I have called for his sacking) if the board decide that he is going to manage us next season. Getting back up to the championship won`t be as easy as some people think and it will be made a damn site harder if we now start pulling the club apart.

    SHG, that's about where I am. Well said

    Still hope that a mega-rich saviour will ride into town and pump some fresh blood and money into the club but we can't control or influence a take-over so have to wait and see.

    That's nothing to do with karma or fatalism. As Niebuhur said

    "grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; the courage to change the things I can; and the wisdom to know the difference."
  • [cite]Posted By: Oggy Red[/cite]Blame culture is endemic in 21st century society.

    Bring back public executions I say. A good hanging never did anyone any harm.
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  • [cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: Oggy Red[/cite]Blame culture is endemic in 21st century society.

    Bring back public executions I say. A good hanging never did anyone any harm.

    A bit highly strung today, Henry ?

    Perhaps you should be.........

    ;o)
  • [cite]Posted By: Carter[/cite]How many times do we need to go over this?

    Apparently at least one more tedious time...

    Still there must be a few media outlets who still haven't published a "where did it all go wrong at Charlton" article...
  • [cite]Posted By: Oggy Red[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: Oggy Red[/cite]Blame culture is endemic in 21st century society.

    Bring back public executions I say. A good hanging never did anyone any harm.

    A bit highly strung today, Henry ?

    Perhaps you should be.........

    ;o)

    Did you say well Strung?

    People often say something like that about me ; - )
  • [cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: Oggy Red[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: Oggy Red[/cite]Blame culture is endemic in 21st century society.

    Bring back public executions I say. A good hanging never did anyone any harm.

    A bit highly strung today, Henry ?

    Perhaps you should be.........

    ;o)

    Did you say wellStrung?

    People often say something like that about me ; - )

    Want some more rope, Henry ..... ?


    ;o)
  • edited April 2009
    [cite]Posted By: BlackForestReds[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: Carter[/cite]How many times do we need to go over this?

    Apparently at least one more tedious time...

    Still there must be a few media outlets who still haven't published a "where did it all go wrong at Charlton" article...



    There are "The War Cry" and "The Watchtower" all the others have done it. ;)
  • And prepared the video .......
  • The fact that the journos cant get to those or get the ones they can get too, to answer any tough questions is the fact that infruriates me more than anything about this season
  • Does it really matter? Where the blame lies I mean. Yes, witchhunts are fun, but the important thing is how we make sure that the club gets back to being on a stable footing, and works towards bouncing back to the Championship.
  • edited April 2009
    I said that in an earlier thread i dont want blame or heads to roll just acceptance that mistakes were made, that they have been thouroughly looked into and that they will not happen again
  • Two ex-players whose game was all about commitment and effort making up a perceived lack of talent. Two managers who wanted to choose players with great physiques and fitness results but with little character and game intelligence. I always found it strange that modern English managers often come from this pragmatic mould but neglect to apply it in their allocation of resources; impossibly hard in the prem I accept, but with the exception of Birmingham in recent years virtually every successful champ promoted&play off team seems to be a majority of hungry lower league players.

    Dowie's failure was predictable and compunded by the board. Pardew's mistakes were overly facilitated by the board. Now we're back to the situation where a squad is organically assembled more through the limitations of impending bankruptcy. Personally I'd prefer this way a club is run, one where Tresor Kandol's performances are rewarded or not and not one where average players like Hudson, Gray or Ambrose earn half a million whilst waiting for others to take the initiative.
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  • I could be wrong but I think the point Dickie's making is that the club's not been seen to be thinking about what went wrong, why and what to do about it? Not that they aren't or haven't done so. Don't think they have an obligation to disclose what the result was of that process but that it has or has not taken place.

    I did say I could be wrong though...
  • Blah blah blah
  • [cite]Posted By: T.C.E[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: BlackForestReds[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: Carter[/cite]How many times do we need to go over this?

    Apparently at least one more tedious time...

    Still there must be a few media outlets who still haven't published a "where did it all go wrong at Charlton" article...



    There are "The War Cry" and "The Watchtower" all the others have done it. ;)

    I've not seen our plight discussed in the Big Issue either, but that's only a matter of time.
  • What I am finding amazing is how quiet and laid back the club is about our impending relegation. The silence from the board is deafening.

    ................

    Until we are actually relegated and perhaps until the season is over I'd rather the board don't start making things worse. If they start criticising the management, the players, the tactics and their role in this debacle its hardly going to improve things. I'm sure hehind the scenes and well out of our earshot a few frank and candid opinions have been shared, but going public with dissent is the absolute worst thing they can do.
  • absolutely bang on, BFR

    It serves no purpose or benefit to hang out our dirty washing in public at this time.
  • ''It serves no purpose or benefit to hang out our dirty washing in public at this time.''

    Oggy, we're not MI5 or MI6. We're a football club that's been relegated twice in three seasons. May be the dirty washing does need a public airing. Sounds a bit like the reason why we've been denied a full and frank investigation into Blair's decision to go to war in Iraq for all these years !
  • Okay, the Board are exposed and the club forced to bleed in the public eye.
    So you get your pound of flesh, Nigel.

    What next do you want .... a public flogging?
  • edited April 2009
    A public flogging? if we're talking about Blair, then yes that will do. For a start. I've got a list of further punishments he deserves, too, but if I say any more CL will get raided under anti-terrorism legislation!

    If we're talking Charlton, then Dowie and Pardew probably deserve a public flogging,too. But I'd settle for a systematic and thorough enquiry into how we went from decent premiership side to divison three in such a startling short space of time , with the findings made known to the supporters, via the fan's forum.

    Only when we have learned the lessons from the catastrophic decision-making and strategic failings of the recent past can we find a better way forward. I'm sure you know that, too, Oggster , and your 'pound of flesh' jibe is purely mischievous.

    ps : as for ''bleeding in the public eye'', what on earth else do you think we've been doing for the past three piss-poor seasons? And in any case, the whole point about the pound of flesh was that not a drop of blood should be spilt...
  • Oggy, we're not MI5 or MI6. We're a football club that's been relegated twice in three seasons. May be the dirty washing does need a public airing.

    .........

    Maybe, but not in mid-campaign. What do you think the effect would have been if say Chappell and Murray had started argueing in public about who was responsible, or slagged off the management or compalining that some of the players weren't pulling their weight? They still need the fans to turn up and for morale in the squad and club to stay positive, anything that undermines that is totally unnecessary and suicidal. At this time I'm sure they'd like to hold a few clear the air meetings with the fans and admit their culpability but it ain't gonna help.

    Put it this way - if you worked for a company that was struggling would you expect one of the directors to take you for a beer and complain about the other directors and/or some of the decisions that had been made? If they did what conclusion would you draw? And wouldn't it affect not just you but also your colleagues, most likely exacerbating things. At this time they have to appear united and on-message with each other and now is not the time to go public with their criticisms. Bear in mind these guys have invested heavily in the club, for most of us the trauma is emotional, they are taking a heavy financial hit.
  • edited April 2009
    it's not rocket science , curbishley left and we fell apart.............FACT
    we should have offered curbs ridiculous amounts of money to stay and who knows we'd prolly still be moaning about moving on to the next level
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