Stick with Parky. Performances have improved, to little to late but an improvement none the less. All this chopping and changing of managers does nothing for a club in the long term. The success we became used under King Curbs took years to deliver not half/two thirds of a season.
Even Though i dont rate Parky highly, I honestly believe getting rid of him wont really solve anything, Parky is learning his trade as a manager as he goes and i think new season new start he has the chance to do things his way and build his squad if he fails to keep up to the standards and targets by a certain date then yh should go but give him time, support and backing.
Cant expect success straight away it taKes a lot of effort and time to build it up we need to rebuild lets hope that Parky does this sensibly and really thinks everything though.
Personally I dont think there should be funds we have a big squad as it is all about cutting down the wage budget I'm sure the highest earners will leave most out of contract if offered a better deal will go and we have some talented Youth young local players represting their national sides at verious levels who whould jump at the chance to get more games feature for the first team and i have faith most could do a job in league 1 they have and are proving themselves out on loan in the football league time to use that for our advantage.
Hope Parky understands this before rushing into the transfer market have a look at the current squad and work out how to get the best our of that squad play to it's strengths only fill the positions which are needed no more loan signings who take up wage budget when we have back-up players ready.
He was doing what he could with what was available.
Spring I found a pointless signing, I could understand Burton, but there's not much use for him if we don't have a goalscorer to play next to him unfortunately.
Butterfield has done a decent enough job in some games, not as good as Murty though, who might have stayed for longer if he didn't keep getting injured.
McEveley again another that did ok. Youga (without confidence) was clearly a weakness, and McEveley would have been one of the best players available at the time.
Soares and Gillespie he was trying to add a bit more quality and end product in the place of inconsistent players like Sam and Ambrose.
Kandol again he was trying to find a decent striker when none are available to a club bottom of the Championship.
In the end he tried to improve the squad, but they were all gambles. If he didn't sign anyone, he wouldn't have wasted the money, but then we'd be moaning why didn't he try and sign players.
Don't know if anyone will agree, but it will be a very different situation in the summer. He'll be looking at players to sign permanently, for a club going for promotion, one of the biggest in the league, rather than temporary players that need games for experience, fitness or because they aren't playing for their main club. We should be able to bring in hungry and talented (for League One standard) players from smaller clubs that have contracts expiring.
Building a squad in the summer when you're looking for promotion is very different to trying to get confidence back in a team and find enough quality to stay up.
[cite]Posted By: BBClaus[/cite]Exactly. it's very harsh to judge parky on his signings this year. no budget, little appeal to come to us and most of them loans.
But some people just want to jump on the anti-parkinson bandwagon and criticise everything he does.
One thing I do hope is that we don't make the same mistakes we did when we went down from the Prem, i.e. a complete change of squad, replacing them with "quality" young players with "potential". We need experienced pros that have played in that division and know what its about. Players like Spring, Burton, Murty, Ward, Butterfield, Soares McEverly, Kandol... Oh....
Although I am starting to warm to Parky, he has to go, mainly due to two reasonns:
1) the very first thing he did when he took over from Pardew (even when he was only "in temporay charge") was to sign deon burton, someone he said at the time, he had been tracking for ages. why ??? Burtons goal scoring record is abysmal and has stopped natural talent like dickson & fleetwood making me of an appearance. Then he signed mat Spring - another waste of space & is a very poor equivilant of Bryan Hughes. Funny that neither of these two players can get into the current starting 11 and spring can't even make the 16 man squad.
2) tactics. 4-5-1 to accomodate our midfield is one thing, but when you need to win games to stay up sometimes you have to forget principles and just go for it and play 4-4-2 or even 4-3-3. ........... 3 0-0 draws in 4 games just about sums parky up. No tactical nous.
If he is still in charge come August 1st I fear that we may drop straight through div1. It is THAT serious.
BTW - before you start slagging me off, try going to a few games first and see for yourself.
It is easy to say we need to get over the feelings we have towards Parky,
And all of us realise the magnatude of the situation we find ourselves in financially i dont think that anyone is not aware of that fact,
i would hazzard a guess that 90 odd % of this forum will support the club financially in the best way we can, season ticket or day to day ticket sales.
the issue being that do you trust Parky not do you support the club and badge .
There is a lot of personal responsibility that falls upon Phil Parkinsons shoulders (Q1) , There is a lot that falls Upon the boards shoulders (Q2).
the question of trust falls upon those 2 parties and the question has been asked on here before, regardless of my own answers to those points which is Q1 NO, Q2 yes (just).
this is not jumping on the Parky bandwagon this is not knee jerk, this is not biased upon the decision of loanees (quite frankly i couldnt give 2 hoots about that).
It is about moving on and GETTING over this season the only way i feel i can and that is to remove all evidence, all proof that this season happend and that is by removing the whole mgmt structure that caused it to unfold top to bottom,
i would not have one of the people on the bench that are part of the mgmt team anywhere near the first team next season, Kins should stay within the club but he is not up to the challenge of mgmt (IMO) yet.
We need to change the whole way we view ourselves, our surroundings, our ownership, our fan base, our history,
look deep within ourselves and look to the route cause of this shambolic and disgusting mess because somewhere within the club is something rotten something stiffling the progression of the club and until that is removed the club will not recover.
This i would hope has and is being conducted from within, decisions have been made and those decisions WILL THIS TIME BE BASED ON RESULTS which HAVE NOT BEEN GOOD ENOUGH fullstop.
we will be as big of a laughing stock as we were the day we employed Phil Parkinson if we stick with him again.
I have stated several times that i quite like Phil Parkinson the man, I like his honesty TBH i havent found much fault with his tactics, He is just not the man for the job.
The club is not right for him also he has unfortunatly taken charge of the club at its lowest hardest point in recent history,
we were sinking from early doors he came in when we werein the middle of a horrific losing streak,
that he was unable to stop,
when he did stop it he was unable to motivate the players and go on an unbeaten streak to give us a chance,
he was unable to put teams around us to the sword at Home to get us a glimmer of belief that we could push onto the team from the stands,
Time is up on this season time is up on PP shame but it is a fact time to move on draw a line underneath and move on. Without him and some of the playing squad and hey who knows without some of us and maybe just maybe if the rumours are correct with a new owner.
Scoham wrote: "it will be a very different situation in the summer. He'll be looking at players to sign permanently, for a club going for promotion, one of the biggest in the league.''
Er, isn't that a description of where we were last summer in a different league under a different manager ? !!!
Elliot
Youga
Semedo
Sam
Racon
Spring
Burton (is his contract up in the summer)
Dickson
Mcleod
Fleetwood
And the youngsters.
Thats an awful lot of upheaval and although the finances would be 'improved' the resulting squad doesnt exactly inspire. So assuming no new money is injected would I have faith for Parky to rejig the squad for a promotion push. To be honest no.
I hope it doesnt pan out like that but feel it might. I think Parkys comments that he thinks a lot of the players will want to stay is a bit daft given the way agents and other clubs will make the most of our plight.
Re the Peanutman's last, then the board need to get this sorted by IMHO to do,
a) Confirm that Parkinson has been given a new 2 year deal (Never let Curbs run his contract down) the day after the Norwich game, so he knows that what he has got to work with and has time over pre season to do this, or..
b) Get rid of him as soon as relegation is confirmed (Saturday night), and confirm at the very latest the day after the Norwich game that the new manager is? , and he is has the whole of the summer with something to work on.
The longer the board leave this, then it does the manager (whoever this is) no favours.
I'm not a lover of Parky, but if we are as skint as we believe then as stated by other people on here, maybe Parky will be the boss. I will still be going regardless.
ok.....I'm going to try to look at things in a positive light regarding Parkinson....what do I percieve he offers errrm
He writes the team down on a piece of paper and pins it up on the wall (someone has to do it). He improves.......erm.......he adds value to......erm.......he signs useful.....erm......he inspires before and during.....erm.........GOT IT!!!! : He doesn't gleefully wave his big payslip in the faces of the redundant staff, and the loyal fans who stump up for matches. He doesn't rub our noses in it, ergo he is a nice guy....give him a ten year contract.
Ok, no-one can say for certain what our squad will look like next season, but I would hazzard a guess that the majority of players that have been touted as potential outs will go.
That leaves us with......well not alot really. I don't buy the we will be seen as potential promotion material so we will attract decent players theory. The majority of players are motivated by one thing. Money. We don't have any so where does that leave us?.
If we get money in for players like Shelvey, Bailey, Hudson & Racon (I would like all of them to stay but my head says none of them will) how much will be reinvested?. I suspect not very much.
Realistically, there is going to be 10+ players oing out and perhaps 5-6 coming in. I don't believe we will pay a fee for anyone this summer, so we are looking at trawlling through the list of released players. No doubt we have been doing this already - young triallists seem to be a feature in the reserves at present.
The dreaded loan market is going to be forced upon us again. However, our division 1 status will limit those available to us. I can only see us attracting youngsters.
I personally don't think youngsters and or potential will serve us very well in division 1. We need experience and warriors up for the fight.
Anyway, I digress, would I trust him with funds next season?. Doesn't need an answer as there won't be any........if by some chance we find some, then no.
To be fair i am not that concerend about the playing staff as what will be will be , Those that go I am sure will go for the right reason,
I dont think that Jonjo will go unless someone offers really silly money for him, Within his contract i am sure his agent would have been shrewd however i am sure we have also with the potential of a buy out clause and with it being remarkably high for one so young.
Bailey can go if he wants he also has a buy out clause proberly not as high as it should be but high enough.
I think playing wise we will be ok a good mgr will put an average team in contention a poor mgr will put a good team in trouble a poor boardroom decision could put the whole club in trouble
[cite]Posted By: Clem_Snide[/cite]To be honest next season scares me.
Ok, no-one can say for certain what our squad will look like next season, but I would hazzard a guess that the majority of players that have been touted as potential outs will go.
That leaves us with......well not alot really. I don't buy the we will be seen as potential promotion material so we will attract decent players theory. The majority of players are motivated by one thing. Money. We don't have any so where does that leave us?.
If we get money in for players like Shelvey, Bailey, Hudson & Racon (I would like all of them to stay but my head says none of them will) how much will be reinvested?. I suspect not very much.
I know if I was Parkinson I would be doing all I could to keep those four players over the summer. & if he has any sense he'll tell these players that if we keep them, the better players of the squad, together we are already in a decent position to come back up. We can then use the evidence of a solid core of decent players to attract higher quality loans/free transfers (who would of course be more willing to join a strong squad challenge for promotion).
"it will be a very different situation in the summer. He'll be looking at players to sign permanently, for a club going for promotion, one of the biggest in the league.''
Er, isn't that a description of where we were last summer in a different league under a different manager ? !!!
Yeah, but Pardew went for potential, young players, and made ridiculous choices that meant we had 10+ central midfielders and 2 centre backs. I don't think Parkinson would do that, and we can't afford to now anyway.
[cite]Posted By: Callumcafc[/cite]I know if I was Parkinson I would be doing all I could to keep those four players over the summer. & if he has any sense he'll tell these players that if we keep them, the better players of the squad, together we are already in a decent position to come back up. We can then use the evidence of a solid core of decent players to attract higher quality loans/free transfers (who would of course be more willing to join a strong squad challenge for promotion).
I hope that ramble made sense, it did in my mind.
That's what I hope he does.
What would be worse though is thinking we have done it, and then sell a couple of them a few days before the deadline.
If they want to go I want them to go as soon as possible so we know we have to replace them.
I think the decisions on who stays and who goes will be decided by the Board and the money situation and what offers come in.
I very much see Shelvey as the 2009 Rob Lee. Jonjo's valuation cannot be far off that of the unfriendly debt of £6m on ground development. It will break all our hearts for him to go but needs must.
I do hope that the Board take what little advantage there is in an early relegation situation to have a Board meeting next week or whenever and implement an action plan immediately. That should set out the situation very clearly to Parky including the terms of his continued engagement or departure.
but think of it from jonjo's view as well if he goes it will be to a prem club who will then loan him out or let him play the odd cup match ala Bostock, might as well stay here play for your own team and go in a seasons time
[quote][cite]Posted By: Imissthepeanutman[/cite]I think the decisions on who stays and who goes will be decided by the Board and the money situation and what offers come in.
I very much see Shelvey as the 2009 Rob Lee. Jonjo's valuation cannot be far off that of the unfriendly debt of £6m on ground development. It will break all our hearts for him to go but needs must.
I do hope that the Board take what little advantage there is in an early relegation situation to have a Board meeting next week or whenever and implement an action plan immediately. That should set out the situation very clearly to Parky including the terms of his continued engagement or departure.[/quote]
Agree that is Jonjo's value to us but not sure anyone would pay that much for a 17 year old with only a handful of games under his belt...unless we could tempt Man City, then we could add a zero!
The fact that we will probably be losing some high-earners doesn't mean there will be any money in the pot for new signings - just that we wont lose as much money next year as we did this.
Jeez, haven't some of you realised that the parachute payments have finished, what little TV money we get will go down, attendances will go down, corporate income will go down .... oh, and we've been relegated?
There's nowt as thick as a football fan when it comes to finances.
[cite]Posted By: Off_it[/cite]What "funds" next year?
The fact that we will probably be losing some high-earners doesn't mean there will be any money in the pot for new signings - just that we wont lose as much money next year as we did this.
Jeez, haven't some of you realised that the parachute payments have finished, what little TV money we get will go down, attendances will go down, corporate income will go down .... oh, and we've been relegated?
There's nowt as thick as a football fan when it comes to finances.
[quote][cite]Posted By: Off_it[/cite]What "funds" next year?
The fact that we will probably be losing some high-earners doesn't mean there will be any money in the pot for new signings - just that we wont lose as much money next year as we did this.
Jeez, haven't some of you realised that the parachute payments have finished, what little TV money we get will go down, attendances will go down, corporate income will go down .... oh, and we've been relegated?
There's nowt as thick as a football fan when it comes to finances.[/quote]
Of course there will be funds next year, as I explained earlier, I am not expecting these funds to be transfer fees..it's fairly obvious we won't be splashing out on those but are you really suggesting that we will bring in no new players what so ever before the next season starts? Because every new addition (or replacement) will mean a loan fee, a signing on fee or just pure wages...
TBH the point of the post originally was that I thought Parky had had a pretty good record in his transfer dealings since his promotion to manager until I actually stopped and thought about each one and realised that generally they have been poor (only in my opinion of course). Should Parky be here next year or not, I honestly can't decide but if he is I hope the players he brings in are more suited to League 1 than those he has bought in to date were suited to the CCC.
I'd trust him to pass the hat and take up a collection for all of the staff will be losing their jobs (Parky is reportedly a very nice guy). But I wouldn't have him back as a manager, unless he wants to work in the club shop.
I personally hope he stays and turns things around. Stability is the one thing the club needs.Players are more likely to go if he goes that is unless we can put an inspiring and known manager in place which is very unlikely. His leaning towards solid hard working players is what the supporters want as well.
No way. Since Parky's instalment we have been cut adrift at the bottom of the championship. All other clubs wise enough to change their manager with somone mildly talented have a good opportunity to beat relegation, Parky has all but confirmed it.
To anyone interested, there is a petition with 94 genuine signatures, though requires many more, so please sign if you think Charlton deserve a capable manager.
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Performances have improved, to little to late but an improvement none the less.
All this chopping and changing of managers does nothing for a club in the long term.
The success we became used under King Curbs took years to deliver not half/two thirds of a season.
Cant expect success straight away it taKes a lot of effort and time to build it up we need to rebuild lets hope that Parky does this sensibly and really thinks everything though.
Personally I dont think there should be funds we have a big squad as it is all about cutting down the wage budget I'm sure the highest earners will leave most out of contract if offered a better deal will go and we have some talented Youth young local players represting their national sides at verious levels who whould jump at the chance to get more games feature for the first team and i have faith most could do a job in league 1 they have and are proving themselves out on loan in the football league time to use that for our advantage.
Hope Parky understands this before rushing into the transfer market have a look at the current squad and work out how to get the best our of that squad play to it's strengths only fill the positions which are needed no more loan signings who take up wage budget when we have back-up players ready.
Spring I found a pointless signing, I could understand Burton, but there's not much use for him if we don't have a goalscorer to play next to him unfortunately.
Butterfield has done a decent enough job in some games, not as good as Murty though, who might have stayed for longer if he didn't keep getting injured.
McEveley again another that did ok. Youga (without confidence) was clearly a weakness, and McEveley would have been one of the best players available at the time.
Soares and Gillespie he was trying to add a bit more quality and end product in the place of inconsistent players like Sam and Ambrose.
Kandol again he was trying to find a decent striker when none are available to a club bottom of the Championship.
In the end he tried to improve the squad, but they were all gambles. If he didn't sign anyone, he wouldn't have wasted the money, but then we'd be moaning why didn't he try and sign players.
Don't know if anyone will agree, but it will be a very different situation in the summer. He'll be looking at players to sign permanently, for a club going for promotion, one of the biggest in the league, rather than temporary players that need games for experience, fitness or because they aren't playing for their main club. We should be able to bring in hungry and talented (for League One standard) players from smaller clubs that have contracts expiring.
Building a squad in the summer when you're looking for promotion is very different to trying to get confidence back in a team and find enough quality to stay up.
That sums it's up.
1) the very first thing he did when he took over from Pardew (even when he was only "in temporay charge") was to sign deon burton, someone he said at the time, he had been tracking for ages. why ??? Burtons goal scoring record is abysmal and has stopped natural talent like dickson & fleetwood making me of an appearance. Then he signed mat Spring - another waste of space & is a very poor equivilant of Bryan Hughes. Funny that neither of these two players can get into the current starting 11 and spring can't even make the 16 man squad.
2) tactics. 4-5-1 to accomodate our midfield is one thing, but when you need to win games to stay up sometimes you have to forget principles and just go for it and play 4-4-2 or even 4-3-3. ........... 3 0-0 draws in 4 games just about sums parky up. No tactical nous.
If he is still in charge come August 1st I fear that we may drop straight through div1. It is THAT serious.
BTW - before you start slagging me off, try going to a few games first and see for yourself.
Sorry, didn't realise I needed a season ticket to have an opinion.
other than that can't argue against anything else as I haven't been to a game this season.
And all of us realise the magnatude of the situation we find ourselves in financially i dont think that anyone is not aware of that fact,
i would hazzard a guess that 90 odd % of this forum will support the club financially in the best way we can, season ticket or day to day ticket sales.
the issue being that do you trust Parky not do you support the club and badge .
There is a lot of personal responsibility that falls upon Phil Parkinsons shoulders (Q1) , There is a lot that falls Upon the boards shoulders (Q2).
the question of trust falls upon those 2 parties and the question has been asked on here before, regardless of my own answers to those points which is Q1 NO, Q2 yes (just).
this is not jumping on the Parky bandwagon this is not knee jerk, this is not biased upon the decision of loanees (quite frankly i couldnt give 2 hoots about that).
It is about moving on and GETTING over this season the only way i feel i can and that is to remove all evidence, all proof that this season happend and that is by removing the whole mgmt structure that caused it to unfold top to bottom,
i would not have one of the people on the bench that are part of the mgmt team anywhere near the first team next season, Kins should stay within the club but he is not up to the challenge of mgmt (IMO) yet.
We need to change the whole way we view ourselves, our surroundings, our ownership, our fan base, our history,
look deep within ourselves and look to the route cause of this shambolic and disgusting mess because somewhere within the club is something rotten something stiffling the progression of the club and until that is removed the club will not recover.
This i would hope has and is being conducted from within, decisions have been made and those decisions WILL THIS TIME BE BASED ON RESULTS which HAVE NOT BEEN GOOD ENOUGH fullstop.
we will be as big of a laughing stock as we were the day we employed Phil Parkinson if we stick with him again.
I have stated several times that i quite like Phil Parkinson the man, I like his honesty TBH i havent found much fault with his tactics, He is just not the man for the job.
The club is not right for him also he has unfortunatly taken charge of the club at its lowest hardest point in recent history,
we were sinking from early doors he came in when we werein the middle of a horrific losing streak,
that he was unable to stop,
when he did stop it he was unable to motivate the players and go on an unbeaten streak to give us a chance,
he was unable to put teams around us to the sword at Home to get us a glimmer of belief that we could push onto the team from the stands,
Time is up on this season time is up on PP shame but it is a fact time to move on draw a line underneath and move on. Without him and some of the playing squad and hey who knows without some of us and maybe just maybe if the rumours are correct with a new owner.
Er, isn't that a description of where we were last summer in a different league under a different manager ? !!!
1) Highly paid players out of contract who I expect to go:-
Weaver
Ambrose
ZZ
Holland
Not sure about Fortunes contract
2) Players who we will sell if the price is right and will also reduce the wage bill:-
Shelvey £5m
Gray £1m
Bailey £1.5
Hudson £750k
Moots ???
I hope we keep Racon.
3) Offloading loan players
Ward
Kandol
Butterfield
So what does that leave
Elliot
Youga
Semedo
Sam
Racon
Spring
Burton (is his contract up in the summer)
Dickson
Mcleod
Fleetwood
And the youngsters.
Thats an awful lot of upheaval and although the finances would be 'improved' the resulting squad doesnt exactly inspire. So assuming no new money is injected would I have faith for Parky to rejig the squad for a promotion push. To be honest no.
I hope it doesnt pan out like that but feel it might. I think Parkys comments that he thinks a lot of the players will want to stay is a bit daft given the way agents and other clubs will make the most of our plight.
Pardew has saddled us with that until 2011!
a) Confirm that Parkinson has been given a new 2 year deal (Never let Curbs run his contract down) the day after the Norwich game, so he knows that what he has got to work with and has time over pre season to do this, or..
b) Get rid of him as soon as relegation is confirmed (Saturday night), and confirm at the very latest the day after the Norwich game that the new manager is? , and he is has the whole of the summer with something to work on.
The longer the board leave this, then it does the manager (whoever this is) no favours.
I'm not a lover of Parky, but if we are as skint as we believe then as stated by other people on here, maybe Parky will be the boss. I will still be going regardless.
Pardew got 16 pts from 18 games.
Parky now has netted us 18 pts. OK, it has taken him 24 games. But let's not quibble at such success...
Looking back, I stll can't quite beleive that Pardew won us three of our first six games this season. Since then we've won four times in 36 matches!!!
errrm
He writes the team down on a piece of paper and pins it up on the wall (someone has to do it).
He improves.......erm.......he adds value to......erm.......he signs useful.....erm......he inspires before and during.....erm.........GOT IT!!!! :
He doesn't gleefully wave his big payslip in the faces of the redundant staff, and the loyal fans who stump up for matches.
He doesn't rub our noses in it, ergo he is a nice guy....give him a ten year contract.
Ok, no-one can say for certain what our squad will look like next season, but I would hazzard a guess that the majority of players that have been touted as potential outs will go.
That leaves us with......well not alot really. I don't buy the we will be seen as potential promotion material so we will attract decent players theory. The majority of players are motivated by one thing. Money. We don't have any so where does that leave us?.
If we get money in for players like Shelvey, Bailey, Hudson & Racon (I would like all of them to stay but my head says none of them will) how much will be reinvested?. I suspect not very much.
Realistically, there is going to be 10+ players oing out and perhaps 5-6 coming in. I don't believe we will pay a fee for anyone this summer, so we are looking at trawlling through the list of released players. No doubt we have been doing this already - young triallists seem to be a feature in the reserves at present.
The dreaded loan market is going to be forced upon us again. However, our division 1 status will limit those available to us. I can only see us attracting youngsters.
I personally don't think youngsters and or potential will serve us very well in division 1. We need experience and warriors up for the fight.
Anyway, I digress, would I trust him with funds next season?. Doesn't need an answer as there won't be any........if by some chance we find some, then no.
I dont think that Jonjo will go unless someone offers really silly money for him, Within his contract i am sure his agent would have been shrewd however i am sure we have also with the potential of a buy out clause and with it being remarkably high for one so young.
Bailey can go if he wants he also has a buy out clause proberly not as high as it should be but high enough.
I think playing wise we will be ok a good mgr will put an average team in contention a poor mgr will put a good team in trouble a poor boardroom decision could put the whole club in trouble
I know if I was Parkinson I would be doing all I could to keep those four players over the summer. & if he has any sense he'll tell these players that if we keep them, the better players of the squad, together we are already in a decent position to come back up. We can then use the evidence of a solid core of decent players to attract higher quality loans/free transfers (who would of course be more willing to join a strong squad challenge for promotion).
I hope that ramble made sense, it did in my mind.
Yeah, but Pardew went for potential, young players, and made ridiculous choices that meant we had 10+ central midfielders and 2 centre backs. I don't think Parkinson would do that, and we can't afford to now anyway.
That's what I hope he does.
What would be worse though is thinking we have done it, and then sell a couple of them a few days before the deadline.
If they want to go I want them to go as soon as possible so we know we have to replace them.
I very much see Shelvey as the 2009 Rob Lee. Jonjo's valuation cannot be far off that of the unfriendly debt of £6m on ground development. It will break all our hearts for him to go but needs must.
I do hope that the Board take what little advantage there is in an early relegation situation to have a Board meeting next week or whenever and implement an action plan immediately. That should set out the situation very clearly to Parky including the terms of his continued engagement or departure.
but think of it from jonjo's view as well if he goes it will be to a prem club who will then loan him out or let him play the odd cup match ala Bostock, might as well stay here play for your own team and go in a seasons time
I very much see Shelvey as the 2009 Rob Lee. Jonjo's valuation cannot be far off that of the unfriendly debt of £6m on ground development. It will break all our hearts for him to go but needs must.
I do hope that the Board take what little advantage there is in an early relegation situation to have a Board meeting next week or whenever and implement an action plan immediately. That should set out the situation very clearly to Parky including the terms of his continued engagement or departure.[/quote]
Agree that is Jonjo's value to us but not sure anyone would pay that much for a 17 year old with only a handful of games under his belt...unless we could tempt Man City, then we could add a zero!
How many games did Fabregas play for Barcelona before jumping ship to Arsenal as one example.
The fact that we will probably be losing some high-earners doesn't mean there will be any money in the pot for new signings - just that we wont lose as much money next year as we did this.
Jeez, haven't some of you realised that the parachute payments have finished, what little TV money we get will go down, attendances will go down, corporate income will go down .... oh, and we've been relegated?
There's nowt as thick as a football fan when it comes to finances.
Wasnt that the essence of what I was saying?
The fact that we will probably be losing some high-earners doesn't mean there will be any money in the pot for new signings - just that we wont lose as much money next year as we did this.
Jeez, haven't some of you realised that the parachute payments have finished, what little TV money we get will go down, attendances will go down, corporate income will go down .... oh, and we've been relegated?
There's nowt as thick as a football fan when it comes to finances.[/quote]
Of course there will be funds next year, as I explained earlier, I am not expecting these funds to be transfer fees..it's fairly obvious we won't be splashing out on those but are you really suggesting that we will bring in no new players what so ever before the next season starts? Because every new addition (or replacement) will mean a loan fee, a signing on fee or just pure wages...
TBH the point of the post originally was that I thought Parky had had a pretty good record in his transfer dealings since his promotion to manager until I actually stopped and thought about each one and realised that generally they have been poor (only in my opinion of course). Should Parky be here next year or not, I honestly can't decide but if he is I hope the players he brings in are more suited to League 1 than those he has bought in to date were suited to the CCC.
To anyone interested, there is a petition with 94 genuine signatures, though requires many more, so please sign if you think Charlton deserve a capable manager.
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/newmanagementteam_charlton/index.html