Can anyone clear up the Parkinson contract question ?

AFKABartram

I've always believed Parkinson had a contract until the end of the 09/10 season, and that when taking the job as manager, he remained on the same contract.

However, on looking back to the club's release a couple of days after announcing him as permanent manager (2 Jan), it clearly states:

"initially in charge to the end of the season"

So:

1. If the terms weren't, was the length of his former contract changed ?
2. Was his contract always to end of 08/09 ?
3. Was that an error in the article that was put out ?

I believe this to be quite important. Its quite clear that some fans will be less likely to renew season tickets if they think Parkinson will be in charge. If his contract ends in May, that may change people's views.

TEL

His contract wasnt upgraded in anyway shape or form....it runs until June 30th 2010. Dave asked this last night.

They wouldnt elaborate on the "intially in charge until the end of the season" quote

Lots of answers to lots of questions later when we have a chance to reveal the minutes chaps...patience!!!

:-)

adamtheaddick

so hes got next season to get us up or hes gone?

AFKABartram

Ok Tel, so it looks like what was clearly stated in this article linked, is incorrect ?

http://www.cafc.co.uk/newsview.ink?nid=33530&newstype=x

Scoham

I think they just meant they are only thinking of this season, concentrating on it and then will review things in the summer.

But just like they said he would be judged on results and then kept him anyway, they'll probably give him next season.

TEL

I wouldnt agree to that, all I would say was that they wouldnt elaborate....I will ask for confirmation if you wish?

Henry Irving

[cite]Posted By: adamtheaddick[/cite]so hes got next season to get us up or hes gone?

not the way I read it.

He's manager until the end of the season. Club can then either "mutually agree" for him to leave and pay off the rest of his contract, which as Terry says has remained the same, or keep him on either as manager or as assistant if a new man wants to keep him on (unlikely but you never know).

Personally I think it will be a "mutual agreement" but who knows?

razil

perhaps its a non permanent promotion, i.e. caretaker which as said above is then review in the summer, this would mean not having to alter his contract possibly?

TEL

Contract wasnt altered.....I specifically asked the question. They arent likely to elaborate any further chaps...its a tough time at the club with all the redundancies and PP has indeed sat in on some of those interviews.

roseandcrown

think he is going to be given next year to get us up

adamtheaddick

[cite]Posted By: TelinOz[/cite]His contract wasnt upgraded in anyway shape or form....it runs until June 30th 2010

thats how i read it H, thats then end of next season, if we cant afford to pay him off and that is the expiry date were stuck with him next term, unless of course he resigns.

Chris_from_Sidcup

[cite]Posted By: AFKABartram[/cite] Its quite clear that some fans will be less likely to renew season tickets if they think Parkinson will be in charge.

Less likely? If Parkinson is still in charge i'd have thought many won't renew full stop.

c4fcdenmark

2 wins in 25 and we can't afford to terminate his contract? That is exactlty the form that has caused our current league position and the sad news for the 25 employees faced with redundancy.

Our legue position can be no worse, and it is purely down to poor management on and off the pitch.

The man must go now, funded by player sales, if need be.

nigel

If some of the above is true, that means he wasn't in any real sense made permanent manager in December, was he?

He was, in effect, merely confirmed as caretaker until May, but with his existing contract until 30/6/10 as assistant manager left unaffected.

Therefore, at the end of the season we are officially managerless again and the board will have to make a formal appointment - whether it is Parkinson again or someone else.

Covered End

[cite]Posted By: c4fcdenmark[/cite]2 wins in 25 and we can't afford to terminate his contract? That is exactlty the form that has caused our current league position and the sad news for the 25 employees faced with redundancy.

Our legue position can be no worse, and it is purely down to poor management on and off the pitch.

The man must go now, funded by player sales, if need be.

I agree we can sell one player eg Andy Gray to pay off Parky.

A better manager can then hopefully improve the remaining tactics and players.

It is better to have a good manager and 19 average players, than a poor manager and 20 average players. IMO.

However, don't hold your breath as I effectively experssed this opinion to Derek Chapple when he appeared at the last Bromley meeting. He didn't agree or couldn't, due to perceived/real financial restrictions.

adamtheaddick

[cite]Posted By: Covered End[/cite]t is better to have a good manager and 19 average players

Curbs, Gary Johnson Brian Clough,etc good point mate.

c4fcdenmark

Didn't go down well last time it was posted, but there is a petition imploring the dismissal of Phil Parkinson and judging by the recent sentiments, I think many of you could reconsider and sign it.

73 genuine signatures are on it though many, many more would make it a significant protest.

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/newmanagementteam_charlton/index.html

Apologies to all who have seen this allready, for those who haven't please sign and tell your friends.

Stu_of_Kunming

[cite]Posted By: TelinOz[/cite]I wouldnt agree to that, all I would say was that they wouldnt elaborate....I will ask for confirmation if you wish?

So as paying fans and loyal customers we are not even entitled to know when this joke is our manager till?

I can't think of another club in the country where it's a secret on when the managers contract runs till (contract as manager that is)

AFKABartram

c4fcdenmark,

no offence mate, but online petitions such as that don't work. Already out of your 73, nearly 20 are anon, and half the others are people posting under false names, or Palace fans for a laugh. There are quite a few on there that are names of posters on this site that others have put on there for a giggle mate.

c4fcdenmark

They have the right to hide their names on the petition as annonymous, though as administrator of the petition, there are names on every single entry. I have checked every single name on there and there are two palace entries that are, indeed, 'giggles', the rest are not.

Granted, petitions are not much use if not signed, but that is a choice evry one is entitled to.

LargeAddick

I'm still hoping he'll have some balls and walk. He's been truely awful. If he still thinks he's any good then he should be able to get a job elsewhere.

Scoham

[cite]Posted By: nigel w[/cite]If some of the above is true, that means he wasn't in any real sense made permanent manager in December, was he?

He was, in effect, merely confirmed as caretaker until May, but with his existing contract until 30/6/10 as assistant manager left unaffected.

Therefore, at the end of the season we are officially managerless again and the board will have to make a formal appointment - whether it is Parkinson again or someone else.

His contract wasn't changed (wages and length) but he was given the job. So surely he's manager until he resigns, the board sack him, or they mutually agree to terminate the contract?

I don't think it means he reverts to being an assistant manager.

We'll see though, but I still think they'll announce that they're giving him next season to rebuild his own squad.

nigel

But Scoham, what about the official statement from the board that he was being put "in charge to the end of the season"?

Surely that means that they must take a formal decision one way or another at the end of the season? He can't just continue as manager next season without a boardroom decision, whether it's merely a rubber-stamping of his existing position or a full-blown discussion that includes discussing the merits of potential rival candidates.

c4fcdenmark

Unbelievable, on what basis could the board possibly persist with this inept man as manager. 2 wins in 25, was able assistant to Pardew, where he presumably had a voice, was fired by Hull for a woeful record, only worsened by his antics at Charlton.

You can't polish a turd.

AFKABartram

[cite]Posted By: c4fcdenmark[/cite] I have checked every single name on there and there are two palace entries that are, indeed, 'giggles', the rest are not.

Ok mate, but if you see Stone saying 'leave him alone, he has a cute bum' as a serious entry, and those at 8,9,13,14 then good luck !

And sadly i'd be suspicious of the entry from Richard Murray....

Henry Irving

[cite]Posted By: c4fcdenmark[/cite]They have the right to hide their names on the petition as annonymous, though as administrator of the petition, there are names on every single entry. I have checked every single name on there and there are two palace entries that are, indeed, 'giggles', the rest are not.

Granted, petitions are not much use if not signed, but that is a choice evry one is entitled to.

we've been through this before.

You yourself have signed it three times as Hans Erik Gooding, C4FCDenmark and C4fcDenmark1 so it is just a joke..

I've meant to have signed it as has Richard Murray and Simon Jordan. Did you take my name off or are you still counting it as one of the 73?

At best 40 of those signatures are real and 40 out of 15,000 ST holders?

c4fcdenmark

Richard Murray is indeed a unique name, not one other in the UK, but thanks for taking the time to read it.

BBClaus

[cite]Posted By: Scoham[/cite]
His contract wasn't changed (wages and length) but he was given the job. So surely he's manager until he resigns, the board sack him, or they mutually agree to terminate the contract?

I don't think it means he reverts to being an assistant manager.

Do contracts actually have to specify a job title like that? In Italy clubs often don't terminate a manager's contract, they just put him on gardening leave and bring in another manager. they might be paying 2 or 3 at a time. sometimes they even bring the old one back in.

maybe his contract was adjusted to say 'manager' until the end of the season and he has a contract of employment with the club till 2010.

Scoham

[cite]Posted By: nigel w[/cite]But Scoham, what about the official statement from the board that he was being put "in charge to the end of the season"?

Surely that means that they must take a formal decision one way or another at the end of the season? He can't just continue as manager next season without a boardroom decision, whether it's merely a rubber-stamping of his existing position or a full-blown discussion that includes discussing the merits of potential rival candidates.

Yeah that's what I think they meant by it. They'll have some sort of meeting about it at the end of the season.

I just meant it won't make us managerless, he'll be here until a decision is made, and like you say, they'll confirm he's staying or get rid of him.

He'll carry on with his job for next season, rather than leave us without a manager until the board make a decision.

Henry Irving

[cite]Posted By: c4fcdenmark[/cite]Richard Murray is indeed a unique name, not one other in the UK, but thanks for taking the time to read it.

do you actually know who Richard Murray is?

c4fcdenmark

Err, yes... I know of one and I know one personally. I think it is the one I know personally that signed, but it might well be the one that you know.