Palace are safe this year - there are at least three teams worse than they are in this league, one of them being us. However any glee that Palace/SJ may take in seeing us get relegated will be overtaken by the worsening situation of Palace's accounts, the need to buy in several players, maybe find a new manager and of course renovate the shit heap that is Selhurst Park.
[quote][cite]Posted By: BlackForestReds[/cite]Palace are safe this year - there are at least three teams worse than they are in this league, one of them being us. However any glee that Palace/SJ may take in seeing us get relegated will be overtaken by the worsening situation of Palace's accounts, the need to buy in several players, maybe find a new manager and of course renovate the shit heap that is Selhurst Park.[/quote]
Quite right - we are probably safe this season and do not have to suffer the purgatory that is League One. It would take a remarkable set of results for that to happen, including Forest winning every one of their remaining matches.
Interesting times at Selhurst Park at the moment - credible rumours are circulating regarding an imminent takeover and the club has applied for planning permission for a new main stand. The economic turmoil has helped us - the costs of building anything other than a football ground on the site are so prohibitive that anyone buying the club will get the ground cheap (seeing as how Croydon Council have stated that nothing other than a football ground will be on the site supports this). Mr Warnock will stay for one final season and we have the opportunity to get rid of our last big earners (Scowie, The Shef, Butts and Fletch will all be gone in the Summer). That with Clyne, Scannell, Moses, Pinney, Wilkinson, Wiggins, Djajli and Hills all breaking through, means that there are some big causes for optimism.
The realists have seen him improve after a slow start, which is perhaps to be expected after being a bit part player for Palace this year and therefore not upto match speed.
The negative element seem to think that we should have signed an international or Champion's League player instead of Butterfield and have complained that he's being playing up to that level.
Interesting times at Selhurst Park at the moment - credible rumours are circulating regarding an imminent takeover and the club has applied for planning permission for a new main stand. The economic turmoil has helped us - the costs of building anything other than a football ground on the site are so prohibitive that anyone buying the club will get the ground cheap (seeing as how Croydon Council have stated that nothing other than a football ground will be on the site supports this). Mr Warnock will stay for one final season and we have the opportunity to get rid of our last big earners (Scowie, The Shef, Butts and Fletch will all be gone in the Summer). That with Clyne, Scannell, Moses, Pinney, Wilkinson, Wiggins, Djajli and Hills all breaking through, means that there are some big causes for optimism.
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A lot of maybes in there...
Palace's ground is going to need total renovation over the next few years, not just the main stand and that alone should make any investors wonder what size cheque they are going to have to sign when the Arthur Waite and the two goal end stands need some love and affection.
The problem with football outside the premiership is that it is based on a fundamentally uneconomic premise. If you can get into the Premiership then the whole financial juggling act can be maintained for a year or two but wage bills are too high, even for ordinary players and the number of matches to be played means that a reasonably large squad needs to be employed along with youth/reserve teams, plus coaches etc. However it does seem that there are a crop of good young players coming through and perhaps the upside is that some of those players will be given a chance and will make it when otherwise they'd have been left in the reserves and would get released.
[quote][cite]Posted By: ISawLeaburnScore[/cite][quote][cite]Posted By: matt_himself[/cite]Do you reckon it will begin with SJ saying 'Enjoy League 1, you t****r'?[/quote]
christ it's taken you six months to think of that then...[/quote]
You're right - it's nearly as funny as using the term 'Palarse'.
[quote][cite]Posted By: BlackForestReds[/cite]Interesting times at Selhurst Park at the moment - credible rumours are circulating regarding an imminent takeover and the club has applied for planning permission for a new main stand. The economic turmoil has helped us - the costs of building anything other than a football ground on the site are so prohibitive that anyone buying the club will get the ground cheap (seeing as how Croydon Council have stated that nothing other than a football ground will be on the site supports this). Mr Warnock will stay for one final season and we have the opportunity to get rid of our last big earners (Scowie, The Shef, Butts and Fletch will all be gone in the Summer). That with Clyne, Scannell, Moses, Pinney, Wilkinson, Wiggins, Djajli and Hills all breaking through, means that there are some big causes for optimism.
A lot of maybes in there...
Palace's ground is going to need total renovation over the next few years, not just the main stand and that alone should make any investors wonder what size cheque they are going to have to sign when the Arthur Waite and the two goal end stands need some love and affection.
The problem with football outside the premiership is that it is based on a fundamentally uneconomic premise. If you can get into the Premiership then the whole financial juggling act can be maintained for a year or two but wage bills are too high, even for ordinary players and the number of matches to be played means that a reasonably large squad needs to be employed along with youth/reserve teams, plus coaches etc. However it does seem that there are a crop of good young players coming through and perhaps the upside is that some of those players will be given a chance and will make it when otherwise they'd have been left in the reserves and would get released.[/quote]
Well aware of that - we have been at the sharp end of it for nearly a decade now, and one of our undoubted strengths, and reason why we have no disappeared into a Millwall style situation is that we are good at spotting talent, nurturing talent and then moving it on. Something SJ recognised the day he took charge of the club and from then on determined to build a great academy.
The planning application is interesting, as is it's timing. further to the rumour is that the club will be taken over by the summer but the price SJ gets depends on what league we will be in next season. As it is looking increasingly like the Championship, when this is numerically confirmed in the next few weeks, things will progress.
FYI - only the main and Arthur need attention - the other stands are fine. Your away stand is a complete hole, far worse in condition than the Holmesdale. If we do the sides, with it looking like the first stage will be started in the Summer, we'll be ok for a few years.
[cite]Posted By: matt_himself[/cite]Do you reckon it will begin with SJ saying 'Enjoy League 1, you t****r'?
No, he's not man enough to do things face to face like Murray. He'll do it through a newspaper column like he usually does the spineless publicity seeking tw@.
Really? He would love to look Murray in the eye and laugh at him. Remember, Murray is the man who, after SJ had rightly issued Dowie with the writ after Murray's 'coup' in signing him said 'Simon is jealous of what we have here'. I bet SJ would love to remind Murray of that.
I don't know why you lot constantly laud Murray - he and the board have been shown up in spectacular fashion, and if the fall from grace had been so dramatic at Selhurst Park, people would have been baying for SJ's blood. Except you lot seem to think that Murray is impervious to criticism. Weird, when you consider that you'll be playing Brentford next season and probably watching players like Paul Furlong & Jack Lester being your 'strikeforce'.
Personally, I'd be furious. But what do I know - I am not an 'Addick'.
I don't know why you lot constantly laud Murray - he and the board have been shown up in spectacular fashion, and if the fall from grace had been so dramatic at Selhurst Park, people would have been baying for SJ's blood. Except you lot seem to think that Murray is impervious to criticism. Weird, when you consider that you'll be playing Brentford next season and probably watching players like Paul Furlong & Jack Lester being your 'strikeforce'.
Personally, I'd be furious. But what do I know - I am not an 'Addick'.
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Yep, you are not an Addick therefore you know little of our history nor do you understand it.
Richard Murray didn't just bring us back to the Valley but laid the foundations through developing the ground and the team that took us into the Premier League and almost into Europe. He did this through involvement and consultation with the fans and on the way has put his money where his mouth is. He could have saddled the club with debt, chased the dream and then walked off a rich man but I genuinely believe that while he naturally wants an ROI on the money and time he's invested into Charlton that he also wants to see the club succeed. In essence he has been very much the unsung hero of the last few years and we Addicks know and understand that and respect the man. Sadly there are too many Simon Jordan's in football, using the game as an ego boost or a get-rich scheme, and too few people like Richard Murray.
Richard Murray is a class act, something that Simon Jordan aspires to be and has failed to achieve. Other than a very small number of idiots every Charlton fan respects Richard Murray, can anyone who follows Palace say the same of Ron Noades or Simon Jordan?
The fact is that having competed at the highest level for a prolonged spell we alongside similar clubs like Leeds & Leicester are suffering the financial & footballing consequences that go with that honour.
Competing at the highest level you see, something you Nigels know next to nothing about. At least we have our memories.
[cite]Posted By: BlackForestReds[/cite]Sadly there are too many Simon Jordan's in football, using the game as an ego boost or a get-rich scheme, and too few people like Richard Murray.
Richard Murray is a class act, something that Simon Jordan aspires to be and has failed to achieve. Other than a very small number of idiots every Charlton fan respects Richard Murray, can anyone who follows Palace say the same of Ron Noades or Simon Jordan?
Whilst you are correct to respect Richard Murray for everything he has done for Charlton, surely he must carry some of the burden for what has happened to you in the last few years as well. I certainly don't claim to have much knowledge about the Valley, but as an outsider looking in, he does seem to have made some strange decisions, such as the appointment of Dowie, and the early dismissal of Dowie. But the strangest one seems to be the decision to allow Parkinson to carry on his job in relegating you.
As far as Jordan goes, I for one will always remember him well, for being the man to rescue my club from administration, apparently there may have been others who would have stepped in, but I didn't see them. I agree there are people at Palace who don't like him, but I honestly think they are in a minority. His time at Palace is drawing to a close now, as there are rumours beginning to circulate about a possible deal, and if they do happen, it will be interesting to see, what the new owners turn out to be like. It might be nice for a change, to have someone take over, who is happy to stay in the background.
[cite]Posted By: matt_himself[/cite]Do you reckon it will begin with SJ saying 'Enjoy League 1, you t****r'?
No, he's not man enough to do things face to face like Murray. He'll do it through a newspaper column like he usually does the spineless publicity seeking tw@.
Really? He would love to look Murray in the eye and laugh at him. Remember, Murray is the man who, after SJ had rightly issued Dowie with the writ after Murray's 'coup' in signing him said 'Simon is jealous of what we have here'. I bet SJ would love to remind Murray of that.
I don't know why you lot constantly laud Murray - he and the board have been shown up in spectacular fashion, and if the fall from grace had been so dramatic at Selhurst Park, people would have been baying for SJ's blood. Except you lot seem to think that Murray is impervious to criticism. Weird, when you consider that you'll be playing Brentford next season and probably watching players like Paul Furlong & Jack Lester being your 'strikeforce'.
Personally, I'd be furious. But what do I know - I am not an 'Addick'.
Good to see you know SJ so well Matt, unfortunately the rest of us can only go on what we see and hear. For example bitching in papers/press and the fact he's had several chances to make comments about our demise to murrays face like you suggest but he hasn't done it.
Yes the board have made many mistakes recently and have been roundly critisized by us, but most of us are intelligent enough to know there's no point in chants of 'sack the board'. That also doesn't mean they shouldn't still be lauded for the excellent work they did in saving us and buying our ground back. Are You still waiting for SJ to buy back your ground like he promised or does his business friend still think his a tw@ too?
If you ever manage to last more than a season in the Premiership you will learn how difficult it is for clubs of our size to keep things going and the financial problems if things start to go wrong. Maybe one day you'll have some premiership success and get some first hand knowledge of what you're trying talk about.
[cite]Posted By: BlackForestReds[/cite]Sadly there are too many Simon Jordan's in football, using the game as an ego boost or a get-rich scheme, and too few people like Richard Murray.
Richard Murray is a class act, something that Simon Jordan aspires to be and has failed to achieve. Other than a very small number of idiots every Charlton fan respects Richard Murray, can anyone who follows Palace say the same of Ron Noades or Simon Jordan?
Whilst you are correct to respect Richard Murray for everything he has done for Charlton, surely he must carry some of the burden for what has happened to you in the last few years as well.
Yep youre right he does. Something to the tune of £45m he and his fellow directors invested.
[cite]Posted By: BlackForestReds[/cite]Sadly there are too many Simon Jordan's in football, using the game as an ego boost or a get-rich scheme, and too few people like Richard Murray.
Richard Murray is a class act, something that Simon Jordan aspires to be and has failed to achieve. Other than a very small number of idiots every Charlton fan respects Richard Murray, can anyone who follows Palace say the same of Ron Noades or Simon Jordan?
Whilst you are correct to respect Richard Murray for everything he has done for Charlton, surely he must carry some of the burden for what has happened to you in the last few years as well. I certainly don't claim to have much knowledge about the Valley, but as an outsider looking in, he does seem to have made some strange decisions, such as the appointment of Dowie, and the early dismissal of Dowie. But the strangest one seems to be the decision to allow Parkinson to carry on his job in relegating you.
As far as Jordan goes, I for one will always remember him well, for being the man to rescue my club from administration, apparently there may have been others who would have stepped in, but I didn't see them. I agree there are people at Palace who don't like him, but I honestly think they are in a minority. His time at Palace is drawing to a close now, as there are rumours beginning to circulate about a possible deal, and if they do happen, it will be interesting to see, what the new owners turn out to be like. It might be nice for a change, to have someone take over, who is happy to stay in the background.
No one denies that Richard Murray and the board have made mistakes, but I for one would be loathe to knife him in the back (it is the ides of March today) partly due to everything he's done but mostly because heaping more abuse on the team and board is counterproductive. Ok, there are some who think chating "sak the board" or demanding change is their right, but I've never seen in this case any point or purpose.
Maybe SJ did save Palace, but it's worth comparing what he's done after he took over Palace and what Richard Murray did after joining the Charlton board and how they went about doing it. RM involved the fans, installed a MD to oversee the running of the club, devolved responsibility and shared ownership with several other investors. The result was that we went from groundsharing to the premiership. SJ took the dictator route taking many of the major decisions himself before finding himself out of his depth. One season in the premiership was followed by relegation and then mid-table juggling of players and finances. From what UI can see his gambit was to get re-promoted in order to find the money to buy the ground that he claimed to have bought, and on that I could never see Richard Murray calling a press conference to claim that he'd bought the Valley only for the legal documents to totally contradict that statement. As I say upthread Richard Murray has infinitely more class and business acumen than SJ will ever possess.
There is rivalry between Palace and Charlton - but given the problems we have in common I'd say that our common problem is that the Premiership and a select few teams in the Premiership, dominate the game, I'd say unheathily.
[cite]Posted By: BlackForestReds
There is rivalry between Palace and Charlton - but given the problems we have in common I'd say that our common problem is that the Premiership and a select few teams in the Premiership, dominate the game, I'd say unheathily.
As you say, it's a problem all teams other than about six Premiership sides share.
Even Arsenal may find themselves in serious trouble, if they don't manage to get in the top four this season, as Champions League finances is built into there annual budget. Another team that might be in trouble, is Birmingham, they've spent a fortune, and although they have rich backers, if they don't g oup this year, will Sullivan and Gold continue to back them?
[cite]Posted By: matt_himself[/cite]Do you reckon it will begin with SJ saying 'Enjoy League 1, you t****r'?
I think Dicky will probably thank Tangoman for guiding us into the season saving inspirational victory over his team of sorry eyed beagles...
After failure in some 18 league games, to have the palarse roll over for us the way they did has not only caused a massive improvement in the way we play and apply ourselves to the game, but promotion is now all but an odds on certainty...
Ok, so there's the small matter of relegation to deal with first but still, that victory will be talked about for years as the moment the Robins turned the worm from the depths of summat or other......
So, buck up me hearties, from now on it's Onwards and Upwards, or Onwards, Downwards then Upwards if you want to be pedantic..
There are Addick fans who do blame Murray and the Board for the failures of the last few years and aren't prepared to forgive them (I'm not one of them). Personally I prefer to blame the two ex Palace idiots we've had who managed us. One who was shown in the High Court to be a liar and allegedly as our manager, was pretty unpleasant to work with. The other allegedly thought he owned the place and spent the clubs money accordingly.
Sh*t happens in football, and what goes around comes around. Personally I don't enjoy crowing at the misfortune of our (non) rivals and vice-versa. Sad for you though that it's likely that you won't be playing any of your(non)rivals next season. Still I'm sure with Colin at the helm you'll have an interesting time.
The likelihood of Palace being bought in this climate is fanciful beyond a new Tolkien novel being written. Palace have been a blackhole for Jordan's easy mobile money, good luck to him for doing that but there will not be another investor in this climate willing to do that. Kelmsley owns the ground and isn't going to be willing to give up a generous rent for less than he bought the ground with, now that really would be dreaming. Servicing a loan from a hedge fund that deals with distressed companies will not be cheap.
What happens when you default and what happens if someone buys that loan off of the dodgy hedge fund? Are they a reasonable institution when problems occur.
A club with no major asset but players who are well paid, resulting in a loss for countless seasons isn't much of an investment. The champ might be an interesting place next season where again a few solid signings could have anyone competing. As for securing champ status will see the bids flying in? Oh really is Jordan doing a bit of QE?
No we're not in a healthy place, and no I'm not happy with recent boardromm decisions. Most of us understand the reality of our problems. By the sounds of it, virtually none of the Palace fans commenting on here have a clue on their clubs.
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Still, 4 points from the last 7 games (including your win at Swansea) does support my theory. We shall see, I just wouldn't be so sure if I was you.
Quite right - we are probably safe this season and do not have to suffer the purgatory that is League One. It would take a remarkable set of results for that to happen, including Forest winning every one of their remaining matches.
Interesting times at Selhurst Park at the moment - credible rumours are circulating regarding an imminent takeover and the club has applied for planning permission for a new main stand. The economic turmoil has helped us - the costs of building anything other than a football ground on the site are so prohibitive that anyone buying the club will get the ground cheap (seeing as how Croydon Council have stated that nothing other than a football ground will be on the site supports this). Mr Warnock will stay for one final season and we have the opportunity to get rid of our last big earners (Scowie, The Shef, Butts and Fletch will all be gone in the Summer). That with Clyne, Scannell, Moses, Pinney, Wilkinson, Wiggins, Djajli and Hills all breaking through, means that there are some big causes for optimism.
How's Butt's doing?
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That depends who you ask...
The realists have seen him improve after a slow start, which is perhaps to be expected after being a bit part player for Palace this year and therefore not upto match speed.
The negative element seem to think that we should have signed an international or Champion's League player instead of Butterfield and have complained that he's being playing up to that level.
christ it's taken you six months to think of that then...
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A lot of maybes in there...
Palace's ground is going to need total renovation over the next few years, not just the main stand and that alone should make any investors wonder what size cheque they are going to have to sign when the Arthur Waite and the two goal end stands need some love and affection.
The problem with football outside the premiership is that it is based on a fundamentally uneconomic premise. If you can get into the Premiership then the whole financial juggling act can be maintained for a year or two but wage bills are too high, even for ordinary players and the number of matches to be played means that a reasonably large squad needs to be employed along with youth/reserve teams, plus coaches etc. However it does seem that there are a crop of good young players coming through and perhaps the upside is that some of those players will be given a chance and will make it when otherwise they'd have been left in the reserves and would get released.
christ it's taken you six months to think of that then...[/quote]
You're right - it's nearly as funny as using the term 'Palarse'.
A lot of maybes in there...
Palace's ground is going to need total renovation over the next few years, not just the main stand and that alone should make any investors wonder what size cheque they are going to have to sign when the Arthur Waite and the two goal end stands need some love and affection.
The problem with football outside the premiership is that it is based on a fundamentally uneconomic premise. If you can get into the Premiership then the whole financial juggling act can be maintained for a year or two but wage bills are too high, even for ordinary players and the number of matches to be played means that a reasonably large squad needs to be employed along with youth/reserve teams, plus coaches etc. However it does seem that there are a crop of good young players coming through and perhaps the upside is that some of those players will be given a chance and will make it when otherwise they'd have been left in the reserves and would get released.[/quote]
Well aware of that - we have been at the sharp end of it for nearly a decade now, and one of our undoubted strengths, and reason why we have no disappeared into a Millwall style situation is that we are good at spotting talent, nurturing talent and then moving it on. Something SJ recognised the day he took charge of the club and from then on determined to build a great academy.
The planning application is interesting, as is it's timing. further to the rumour is that the club will be taken over by the summer but the price SJ gets depends on what league we will be in next season. As it is looking increasingly like the Championship, when this is numerically confirmed in the next few weeks, things will progress.
FYI - only the main and Arthur need attention - the other stands are fine. Your away stand is a complete hole, far worse in condition than the Holmesdale. If we do the sides, with it looking like the first stage will be started in the Summer, we'll be ok for a few years.
SJ employs the services of Max Clifford, he'll think of something...
No, he's not man enough to do things face to face like Murray. He'll do it through a newspaper column like he usually does the spineless publicity seeking tw@.
I don't know why you lot constantly laud Murray - he and the board have been shown up in spectacular fashion, and if the fall from grace had been so dramatic at Selhurst Park, people would have been baying for SJ's blood. Except you lot seem to think that Murray is impervious to criticism. Weird, when you consider that you'll be playing Brentford next season and probably watching players like Paul Furlong & Jack Lester being your 'strikeforce'.
Personally, I'd be furious. But what do I know - I am not an 'Addick'.
Personally, I'd be furious. But what do I know - I am not an 'Addick'.
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Yep, you are not an Addick therefore you know little of our history nor do you understand it.
Richard Murray didn't just bring us back to the Valley but laid the foundations through developing the ground and the team that took us into the Premier League and almost into Europe. He did this through involvement and consultation with the fans and on the way has put his money where his mouth is. He could have saddled the club with debt, chased the dream and then walked off a rich man but I genuinely believe that while he naturally wants an ROI on the money and time he's invested into Charlton that he also wants to see the club succeed. In essence he has been very much the unsung hero of the last few years and we Addicks know and understand that and respect the man. Sadly there are too many Simon Jordan's in football, using the game as an ego boost or a get-rich scheme, and too few people like Richard Murray.
Richard Murray is a class act, something that Simon Jordan aspires to be and has failed to achieve. Other than a very small number of idiots every Charlton fan respects Richard Murray, can anyone who follows Palace say the same of Ron Noades or Simon Jordan?
Competing at the highest level you see, something you Nigels know next to nothing about. At least we have our memories.
Whilst you are correct to respect Richard Murray for everything he has done for Charlton, surely he must carry some of the burden for what has happened to you in the last few years as well. I certainly don't claim to have much knowledge about the Valley, but as an outsider looking in, he does seem to have made some strange decisions, such as the appointment of Dowie, and the early dismissal of Dowie. But the strangest one seems to be the decision to allow Parkinson to carry on his job in relegating you.
As far as Jordan goes, I for one will always remember him well, for being the man to rescue my club from administration, apparently there may have been others who would have stepped in, but I didn't see them. I agree there are people at Palace who don't like him, but I honestly think they are in a minority. His time at Palace is drawing to a close now, as there are rumours beginning to circulate about a possible deal, and if they do happen, it will be interesting to see, what the new owners turn out to be like. It might be nice for a change, to have someone take over, who is happy to stay in the background.
or nearly as funny as not being able to use the quote function properly
Good to see you know SJ so well Matt, unfortunately the rest of us can only go on what we see and hear. For example bitching in papers/press and the fact he's had several chances to make comments about our demise to murrays face like you suggest but he hasn't done it.
Yes the board have made many mistakes recently and have been roundly critisized by us, but most of us are intelligent enough to know there's no point in chants of 'sack the board'. That also doesn't mean they shouldn't still be lauded for the excellent work they did in saving us and buying our ground back. Are You still waiting for SJ to buy back your ground like he promised or does his business friend still think his a tw@ too?
If you ever manage to last more than a season in the Premiership you will learn how difficult it is for clubs of our size to keep things going and the financial problems if things start to go wrong. Maybe one day you'll have some premiership success and get some first hand knowledge of what you're trying talk about.
Yep youre right he does. Something to the tune of £45m he and his fellow directors invested.
No one denies that Richard Murray and the board have made mistakes, but I for one would be loathe to knife him in the back (it is the ides of March today) partly due to everything he's done but mostly because heaping more abuse on the team and board is counterproductive. Ok, there are some who think chating "sak the board" or demanding change is their right, but I've never seen in this case any point or purpose.
Maybe SJ did save Palace, but it's worth comparing what he's done after he took over Palace and what Richard Murray did after joining the Charlton board and how they went about doing it. RM involved the fans, installed a MD to oversee the running of the club, devolved responsibility and shared ownership with several other investors. The result was that we went from groundsharing to the premiership. SJ took the dictator route taking many of the major decisions himself before finding himself out of his depth. One season in the premiership was followed by relegation and then mid-table juggling of players and finances. From what UI can see his gambit was to get re-promoted in order to find the money to buy the ground that he claimed to have bought, and on that I could never see Richard Murray calling a press conference to claim that he'd bought the Valley only for the legal documents to totally contradict that statement. As I say upthread Richard Murray has infinitely more class and business acumen than SJ will ever possess.
There is rivalry between Palace and Charlton - but given the problems we have in common I'd say that our common problem is that the Premiership and a select few teams in the Premiership, dominate the game, I'd say unheathily.
As you say, it's a problem all teams other than about six Premiership sides share.
Even Arsenal may find themselves in serious trouble, if they don't manage to get in the top four this season, as Champions League finances is built into there annual budget. Another team that might be in trouble, is Birmingham, they've spent a fortune, and although they have rich backers, if they don't g oup this year, will Sullivan and Gold continue to back them?
Intersting times ahead.
After failure in some 18 league games, to have the palarse roll over for us the way they did has not only caused a massive improvement in the way we play and apply ourselves to the game, but promotion is now all but an odds on certainty...
Ok, so there's the small matter of relegation to deal with first but still, that victory will be talked about for years as the moment the Robins turned the worm from the depths of summat or other......
So, buck up me hearties, from now on it's Onwards and Upwards, or Onwards, Downwards then Upwards if you want to be pedantic..
Thankyou kindly, SJ (AKA TheTo$$er)
There are Addick fans who do blame Murray and the Board for the failures of the last few years and aren't prepared to forgive them (I'm not one of them). Personally I prefer to blame the two ex Palace idiots we've had who managed us. One who was shown in the High Court to be a liar and allegedly as our manager, was pretty unpleasant to work with. The other allegedly thought he owned the place and spent the clubs money accordingly.
Sh*t happens in football, and what goes around comes around. Personally I don't enjoy crowing at the misfortune of our (non) rivals and vice-versa. Sad for you though that it's likely that you won't be playing any of your(non)rivals next season. Still I'm sure with Colin at the helm you'll have an interesting time.
What happens when you default and what happens if someone buys that loan off of the dodgy hedge fund? Are they a reasonable institution when problems occur.
A club with no major asset but players who are well paid, resulting in a loss for countless seasons isn't much of an investment. The champ might be an interesting place next season where again a few solid signings could have anyone competing. As for securing champ status will see the bids flying in? Oh really is Jordan doing a bit of QE?
No we're not in a healthy place, and no I'm not happy with recent boardromm decisions. Most of us understand the reality of our problems. By the sounds of it, virtually none of the Palace fans commenting on here have a clue on their clubs.