Stunning. Almost everyone who advocated Dickson said he's not the finished article and isn't the answer, but given the poverty of options he is as deserving of a chance as any others. Funny how that has to be twisted.
I'd suggest stranding him up front with no wingers is a great way for Parky to "prove" to those without a shred of understanding of football that us going down is all Dickson's fault.
[cite]Posted By: Mortimerician[/cite]Stunning. Almost everyone who advocated Dickson said he's not the finished article and isn't the answer, but given the poverty of options he is as deserving of a chance as any others. Funny how that has to be twisted.
I'd suggest stranding him up front with no wingers is a great way for Parky to "prove" to those without a shred of understanding of football that us going down is all Dickson's fault.
No, not twisted. Some people were claiming that the lack of an all round game was a myth and or excuse made up by Pardew and Parky.
Others were saying that any lack of an all round game was an irrelevence as he would score goals regardless.
Some people were also claiming that he would most definitely score goals regardless as his record at Gills was so fantastic.
Some people constantly said Dickson was the answer and after Plymouth were saying how the season would have been different if he's started 15 games earlier.
I like him, I want him to do well and wish he's started earlier but the praise he was given was excessive and the expectation set on him extreme.
The only twisting seems to be your last statement that anyone is saying going down is Dickson's fault. Where has anyone said that?
Just making an exaggerated point, which seemed to be the order of the day.
I've been unable to get on here for a long while so I'm a bit behind on the debate, but from what I saw while I was lurking most people fell into the "give him a crack" category, and I just think it's appalling that so many are standing in judgement over a player who was played in a formation in which I can't imagine even a top class player would thrive. Same point as with Spring, who you were defending elsewhere although his problem last night was probably more that there were 5 central midfielders tripping over one another.
For me last night was a repeat of the Wednesday debacle where similar types rounded on Gray despite him being deployed in the same daft way.
The disappointment with Dickson last night is to do with his reputation as a clinical finisher.
The fact is though we had more goal attempts with him in the side than in countless games earlier in the season with permutations of Gray, Varney and Burton.
I actually think Dicko tried too hard last night and had he played his natural game a bit more something might have worked for him. You could see the confidence gradually draining out of him as the second half went on.
I'd persevere with him as he offers more than any of our other strikers at the moment. Once he breaks his duck I can see him scoring a few.
There was one moment when Butterfield whipped a great ball across the 6 yard box, which if the hype about Dickson was right, he should have smashed home, he didn't, he didn't even move.
I agree with LenGlover...........he tried too hard last night and maybe shoud have passed it off when he tried shooting........BUT
I'd rather have a striker like him who makes things happen than Gray or Burton who's sole job seems to be to play with their ack to goal and lay the ball off to someone else - at least Dickson tries runnig with it ,forcing the defenders back and creates openings.
He has his faults but he evidence shows we have created far more with him in the team than without him.
Rothko CommentTime24 minutes ago quote# 12 There was one moment when Butterfield whipped a great ball across the 6 yard box, which if the hype about Dickson was right, he should have smashed home, he didn't, he didn't even move.
Spot on Rothko.
For once we did actually create decent chances for him and he went awol or had a touch that bounced off him 10 yards away.
All of this is a waste of time as we are knackered now anyway and he'll be playing for Tooting and Mitcham in 2 years time.
[cite]Posted By: Rothko[/cite]There was one moment when Butterfield whipped a great ball across the 6 yard box, which if the hype about Dickson was right, he should have smashed home, he didn't, he didn't even move.
To be fair, it seemed to me as if he was waiting for a cutback. I'd have done the same.
the world has gone mad we are going to be relegated because 2 mgrs stuck with shit players and tactics for too long dicko was cack last night for the 1st time in the last 3 games he has started
and now all those who said he isnt the player others hoped he would be say i told you so
you guys are fuked up sometimes
you should be on here working out how we are going too make sure that we never have to go through to the 3rd division again and how we are not going to be treated as fools who wont make a whimper no matter what shit decisions get put infront of us and ultimatly mean 2 relegations in 3 years and the prospect of financial implications sooner rather than later
[cite]Posted By: golfaddick[/cite]I agree with LenGlover...........he tried too hard last night and maybe shoud have passed it off when he tried shooting........BUT
I'd rather have a striker like him who makes things happen than Gray or Burton who's sole job seems to be to play with their ack to goal and lay the ball off to someone else - at least Dickson tries runnig with it ,forcing the defenders back and creates openings.
He has his faults but he evidence shows we have created far more with him in the team than without him.
Actually I'd rather have Dickson AND a player who play with his back to goal and lay the ball off.............to Dickson.
he was over hyped by some before and now he's being over criticised.
There is a middle ground. Good players can have bad games. Poor players can have good games. Players have strengths and weaknesses. There is light and shade in the world.
i am amazed that people think he should be holding the ball up and laying off
he missed 2 good chances last night was unlucky with a header and made the wrong choice for 2 passes and didnt go far post for a cross and stayed more central
thats it that is what he did wrong in 1 match varney did that in fuking loads as did gray burton and any other fuka who has played upfront
[cite]Posted By: nth london addick[/cite]i am amazed that people think he should be holding the ball up and laying off
he missed 2 good chances last night was unlucky with a header and made the wrong choice for 2 passes and didnt go far post for a cross and stayed more central
thats it that is what he did wrong in 1 match varney did that in fuking loads as did gray burton and any other fuka who has played upfront
get over it
Fair play, but Varney worked all over the pitch, and never really believed he was a striker, more of a right winger, and at least Gray bagged a few goals, but Burton, well he's in a league of his own
[cite]Posted By: nth london addick[/cite]i am amazed that people think he should be holding the ball up and laying off
he missed 2 good chances last night was unlucky with a header and made the wrong choice for 2 passes and didnt go far post for a cross and stayed more central
thats it that is what he did wrong in 1 match varney did that in fuking loads as did gray burton and any other fuka who has played upfront
get over it
If he is asked to play upfront on his own then there has to be some expectation that he will hold the ball up and try and bring the attacking midfielders into play......if he can't do that then he shouldn't be up on his own. Parkinson are you reading this ;-)?
I didn't get involved in the play him play him bandwagon as I suspected it would all end in tears. He has done ok in his previous games but last night was awful.
Sorry, to say that he was unlucky with the far past header is laughable. He was 3 yards out, under no pressure and couldn't hit the target. If Gray, Varney, Burton et al had done the same they would have been hung, drawn, quartered and then the old Shooters Hill gibbet reserved for highway men in the 18th century would have been rebuilt and they'd have been left on display as a warning never to miss a chance and upset anyone on this board.
I hope he does find a decent level of performance and scores goals for us. Last night fills me with no confidence. No movement off the ball, endlessly giving the ball away, scuffed shots and a missed sitter. Sounds like pretty much every other striker we have seen this season.
I said it on the thread last night and I'll say it again. Last night went a very long way to giving me an explanation as to why he has waited so long for his debut. If the coaches/management were seing that in training every week then they would, quite rightly, have been reluctant to play him.
Loads of ifs buts and maybees, all I know for sure is he gave a completely inept performance last night, I hope he improves, just won't be holding my breath.
I'm sure he knows he was bad last night, but I agree that he was trying too hard to score and chose the wrong option a few times. I know some people can't wait to see him fail, but i still believe with a bit more eperience at this level he will score more goals than Burton ,Toddy and our other options. One bad game doesnt prove any thing.
The thing that bugged me about Dickson's performance last night wasn't the lack of hold up play, because I don't particularly expect it of him, but more the way he kept having wild shots from distance when there were other players in better positions that he should have passed to. I don't want to slate him for trying too hard, as nothing pisses me off more than players that don't make an effort, but he needs to temper his enthusiasm with a greater awareness of what's going on around him.
Never looked Championship standard when I have seen him TBH. A few flashes of skill but slow to react and shooting all over the place. That said we have no one better at the moment, so may as well get behind the bloke.
[cite]Posted By: aliwibble[/cite]The thing that bugged me about Dickson's performance last night wasn't the lack of hold up play, because I don't particularly expect it of him, but more the way he kept having wild shots from distance when there were other players in better positions that he should have passed to. I don't want to slate him for trying too hard, as nothing pisses me off more than players that don't make an effort, but he needs to temper his enthusiasm with a greater awareness of what's going on around him.
Fair one mate
Rough edges he has, and overexcitement he also exudes, however we knew all this and it is how desperate we have become that we are putting so much pressure on him. Stick with him I say.
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I'd suggest stranding him up front with no wingers is a great way for Parky to "prove" to those without a shred of understanding of football that us going down is all Dickson's fault.
No, not twisted. Some people were claiming that the lack of an all round game was a myth and or excuse made up by Pardew and Parky.
Others were saying that any lack of an all round game was an irrelevence as he would score goals regardless.
Some people were also claiming that he would most definitely score goals regardless as his record at Gills was so fantastic.
Some people constantly said Dickson was the answer and after Plymouth were saying how the season would have been different if he's started 15 games earlier.
I like him, I want him to do well and wish he's started earlier but the praise he was given was excessive and the expectation set on him extreme.
The only twisting seems to be your last statement that anyone is saying going down is Dickson's fault. Where has anyone said that?
He's not ghetto heaven
I've been unable to get on here for a long while so I'm a bit behind on the debate, but from what I saw while I was lurking most people fell into the "give him a crack" category, and I just think it's appalling that so many are standing in judgement over a player who was played in a formation in which I can't imagine even a top class player would thrive. Same point as with Spring, who you were defending elsewhere although his problem last night was probably more that there were 5 central midfielders tripping over one another.
For me last night was a repeat of the Wednesday debacle where similar types rounded on Gray despite him being deployed in the same daft way.
The fact is though we had more goal attempts with him in the side than in countless games earlier in the season with permutations of Gray, Varney and Burton.
I actually think Dicko tried too hard last night and had he played his natural game a bit more something might have worked for him. You could see the confidence gradually draining out of him as the second half went on.
I'd persevere with him as he offers more than any of our other strikers at the moment. Once he breaks his duck I can see him scoring a few.
Spot on, he couldn't finish for toffee but his close control and lay offs were excellent.
Whilst he was bloody awful last night and I don't think he'll cut it, the way the team was set up did him no favours at all.
I'd rather have a striker like him who makes things happen than Gray or Burton who's sole job seems to be to play with their ack to goal and lay the ball off to someone else - at least Dickson tries runnig with it ,forcing the defenders back and creates openings.
He has his faults but he evidence shows we have created far more with him in the team than without him.
There was one moment when Butterfield whipped a great ball across the 6 yard box, which if the hype about Dickson was right, he should have smashed home, he didn't, he didn't even move.
Spot on Rothko.
For once we did actually create decent chances for him and he went awol or had a touch that bounced off him 10 yards away.
All of this is a waste of time as we are knackered now anyway and he'll be playing for Tooting and Mitcham in 2 years time.
To be fair, it seemed to me as if he was waiting for a cutback. I'd have done the same.
the world has gone mad we are going to be relegated because 2 mgrs stuck with shit players and tactics for too long dicko was cack last night for the 1st time in the last 3 games he has started
and now all those who said he isnt the player others hoped he would be say i told you so
you guys are fuked up sometimes
you should be on here working out how we are going too make sure that we never have to go through to the 3rd division again and how we are not going to be treated as fools who wont make a whimper no matter what shit decisions get put infront of us and ultimatly mean 2 relegations in 3 years and the prospect of financial implications sooner rather than later
Actually I'd rather have Dickson AND a player who play with his back to goal and lay the ball off.............to Dickson.
he was over hyped by some before and now he's being over criticised.
There is a middle ground. Good players can have bad games. Poor players can have good games. Players have strengths and weaknesses. There is light and shade in the world.
he missed 2 good chances last night was unlucky with a header and made the wrong choice for 2 passes and didnt go far post for a cross and stayed more central
thats it that is what he did wrong in 1 match varney did that in fuking loads as did gray burton and any other fuka who has played upfront
get over it
Fair play, but Varney worked all over the pitch, and never really believed he was a striker, more of a right winger, and at least Gray bagged a few goals, but Burton, well he's in a league of his own
wer were beaten by the better team who played good football
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donny got an 8.5 for me last night lovely football
sorry go back to slagging players orf
If he is asked to play upfront on his own then there has to be some expectation that he will hold the ball up and try and bring the attacking midfielders into play......if he can't do that then he shouldn't be up on his own. Parkinson are you reading this ;-)?
I didn't get involved in the play him play him bandwagon as I suspected it would all end in tears. He has done ok in his previous games but last night was awful.
Sorry, to say that he was unlucky with the far past header is laughable. He was 3 yards out, under no pressure and couldn't hit the target. If Gray, Varney, Burton et al had done the same they would have been hung, drawn, quartered and then the old Shooters Hill gibbet reserved for highway men in the 18th century would have been rebuilt and they'd have been left on display as a warning never to miss a chance and upset anyone on this board.
I hope he does find a decent level of performance and scores goals for us. Last night fills me with no confidence. No movement off the ball, endlessly giving the ball away, scuffed shots and a missed sitter. Sounds like pretty much every other striker we have seen this season.
I said it on the thread last night and I'll say it again. Last night went a very long way to giving me an explanation as to why he has waited so long for his debut. If the coaches/management were seing that in training every week then they would, quite rightly, have been reluctant to play him.
Loads of ifs buts and maybees, all I know for sure is he gave a completely inept performance last night, I hope he improves, just won't be holding my breath.
Varney against Burnley at home Gray an open goal and blazed over Deon is constantly poo
I just think that in the last 3 games he has started the reports have been more positive than negative 1 bad game and roll him out to be shot at
it is not right
AND WHAT ABOUT BURTON'S MISSED KICK 2 YARDS OUT! WE WOULD HAVE GONE 2-1 UP!
Fair one mate
Rough edges he has, and overexcitement he also exudes, however we knew all this and it is how desperate we have become that we are putting so much pressure on him. Stick with him I say.
Look where chopping and changing has got us