[cite]Posted By: Stu of HU16[/cite]Gotta agree with Pete, he's pretty much spot on. Apart from the Dicko bit, he got little service and nearly scored (but for a sligh deflection he would have) he also had a stone cold penalty turned down, if someone can show me a good reason why that pen wasnt given, apart from the fact the ref got it wrong, I'll eat my hat.
Stu, good to meet you today. Maglor and I slipped back across the border into Carrot Cruncher Land without being detected by the natives. Hope to meet again on our travels.
I thought it was a well fought point and although we would have liked all 3 we were the away team and all our rivals were at home today...........Forest and donny lost, Watford and Norwich draw and only The Saints got all 3 points.
I am being mega optomistic at present - although heart of heats I think we are doomed I'd rather see us take it to the last game of the season than lose the next 5 games and be out on our feet before easter.
[cite]Posted By: Exiled_Addick[/cite]At the risk of getting an ear bashing from SoundAs again, here are my (some what long winded) thoughts on todays game:
Just got back, far from a classic match but I quite enjoyed my trip to Yorkshire today, nice little ground in quite a picturesque setting. The Barnsley accent sounds soooo northern as well, quite comical to here the locals speaking.
As for our performance, I think I agree with Parky that I've seen another step in the right direction today, I'm not sure it's a big enough step forward to save our season but progress is progress and I'm happy enough with that at the moment.
Like I say, it wasn't a classic and we were a bit over keen to lump it forward at times but we restricted Barnsley to just a few chances (Elliot only had to make one save of note) and it was us doing the pressing in the last 5-10mins to try and win the game. Very often away from home over the last 12 months the game has been long lost by that stage and if it hasn't, it's been us hanging on. We also strung two halfs of decent football together for the second time running, so I think we're getting there... slowly.
Elliot 7 - little to do except for one good save. Solid kicking too.
Murty 7 - very solid, didn't get forward much but didn't do anything wrong in my eyes.
Youga 7.5 - Another good solid game, minimal misplaced passes, no hair-brain moments and kept Campbell-Ryce very quite when he switched flanks second half. Not such an attacking force but probably his best game for us for quite a while.
Hudson 6 - Didn't do anything majorly wrong but I just felt there was error just around the corner from him all afternoon. Thankfully it didn't arrive.
Ward 8 - Didn't lose a header all afternoon, and was solid on the deck.
Soares 6 - Did some good work defensively and came into the game in attack towards the end but was a bit subdued vs recent performances.
Racon 7 - The touch of class again, plenty of tackles and tried to make some things happen when we kept the ball on the deck, but didn't quite manage to make anything come off except for one good shot from a tight angle.
Spring 6 - See analysis of Soares!
Bailey 6 - Loads of running and tackling as usual and did some good work helping Youga keep JCR out of the game. One of the worst offenders for aimless hoofs and lacked a bit of composure in advanced areas on a couple of occassions. Clearly not in his natural role on the left but putting a good shift in for the team and we do look more solid for having him out there rather than a winger so credit to him for that.
Dickson 6.5 - Some flashes of invention and carried our main threat second half after being a bit out of it in the first. Good work rate again and some decent hold up play. Should have had a penalty when he was hauled down right in front of the ref. Decent shift again though and I'm sure the goals will come soon enough if he keeps at it.
Kandol 4 - Won a few headers but that was about it, wasn't working as hard as I'd like and at one point just stood and watched a poked Dickson cross-cum-shot role across the goal line when if he'd just made a bit of an effort I'm sure he'd have had a tap in. I can't really understand why Parky kept him on, and he was a little lucky not to get sent off for a late lunge on the goalie - fortunately for him the ref and lino were unsighted. Summed his performance up late on when we were pressurising and he gave possesion back, inside their area, with the most horrendous dive when there was a simple layoff available to him which would have led to a crossing opportunity.
I'd have liked to have seen Sam and Toddy or Jonjo on to try and unlock a few doors late on but I kind of see why Parky was happy with a point, although it's not what I'd have done.
Gave you an ear bashing...refresh my memory...I haven't a clue what you're reffering to?
Agh yes I remember...one goal was 'possibly' his fault...the rebound I mean, which in truth could have gone anywhere(their keeper did a very similar thing late on and I remember thinking at the time how he had the luck and Weaver didn't), it fortunately went to a defender and was cleared....just the run of the ball is how any reasonable fan would have seen it and the one where he slipped could have happened to anyone at any time.....have you never slipped quite unacountably by the way? Everyone does it but of course if a keeper does it he can have real egg on his face...as in this case....but you called it a mistake and BAD goalkeeping...which it clearly wasn't.....so yes, it was a mistake if you like but NOT a goalkeeping mistake/error........ as in a wrong or poor decision.
You absolutely slated the fella if I remember...which was most unjust. Mind you at the time a lot of folk were looking everywhere for scapecoats and you and one or two others had a very convenient target on the day.I simply looked at what had happened rationaly and saw the two goals as both somewhat unfortunate though with two very different circumstances, neither of which were bad keeping as such.
Still think he's our best keeper incidently.
A good point ? I`m not so sure really. It depends how you look at it. In another season with a Charlton team not in danger of relegation then a point at Oakwell would be a job well done. In our current plight its virtually worthless and keeps us treading water which we all know guarantees relegation. Parky says we are moving forward and perhaps we are but for this season its far too little and far too late. Good to see Millwll starting to implode in their promotion push. A double over them next season would go a long way to easing the relegation blues that I fear are inevitable.
[cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite]A good point ? I`m not so sure really. It depends how you look at it. In another season with a Charlton team not in danger of relegation then a point at Oakwell would be a job well done. In our current plight its virtually worthless and keeps us treading water which we all know guarantees relegation. Parky says we are moving forward and perhaps we are but for this season its far too little and far too late. Good to see Millwll starting to implode in their promotion push. A double over them next season would go a long way to easing the relegation blues that I fear are inevitable.
I really think, with the greatest respect SHG, that that is not the way to look at yesterdays result. In the last two games, we have picked if four points, thats two points a game. If we average two points a game for the rest of the season, we will net another 26 points. That will take us onto 52 points. Only one side in the last twelve seasons has gone down on 52 points, that was Leicester last season. Some seasons the mid forties has been enough.
So my take on things is that we need to win our home games and average a draw at all our away games. It won't run on rails but the fact is that we have got the four points from two games we need so far.
Thats a good point bing. I really wish I could think as positively as that. In truth I have seen nothing that makes me think the scenario you portray is even remotely acheivable.
Oh by the way, I would add that the Barnsley fans booed their team off at the end, whereas we gave ours a standing ovation. There seems to me to have been a big transformation in the attitude of our fans in recent weeks. Yes we know we are up against it but the players have responded and at least are putting in effort and commitment. That may be the most important thing over the coming weeks. Teams are going to be dragged into the scrap whereas we are already scrapping and have the fighting mentality now big time. What we need is a bit of luck, and a little composure in front of goal.
I really agree that the fans attitude has changed recently and in truth I believe that is due in the main to a visable improvement in the team but also and heres the negative bit, a realisation that relegation is assured and a real need to stand behind the club and players. Of course mathmatically we have a chance but ask a boomaker and the reality of our situation becomes clear.
[cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite]I really agree that the fans attitude has changed recently and in truth I believe that is due in the main to a visable improvement in the team but also and heres the negative bit, a realisation that relegation is assured and a real need to stand behind the club and players. Of course mathmatically we have a chance but ask a boomaker and the reality of our situation becomes clear.
What you say is right, but it's a positive card that we can use. I am realistic to know that the maths is against us but in a way thats our best chance. The belief that we can beat the odds can act as a truely galvanising effetc. I have also learned in life that the more you want something and focus on the goal the more it happens. The trick is the focus. Not being deflected by doubts and incertainty. There is only one certainty here and that is we will go down if we don't get enough more points than anybody else at the bottom. That's it. We will be relegated if the the season stops now. The players know that and it's the managements job to make sure they are focussed. We play our bit by getting behind them, cheering every chance created, every point won from now til the end.
[cite]Posted By: SoundAsa£[/cite]Agh yes I remember...one goal was 'possibly' his fault...the rebound I mean, which in truth could have gone anywhere(their keeper did a very similar thing late on and I remember thinking at the time how he had the luck and Weaver didn't), it fortunately went to a defender and was cleared....just the run of the ball is how any reasonable fan would have seen it and the one where he slipped could have happened to anyone at any time.....have you never slipped quite unacountably by the way? Everyone does it but of course if a keeper does it he can have real egg on his face...as in this case....but you called it a mistake and BAD goalkeeping...which it clearly wasn't.....so yes, it was a mistake if you like but NOT a goalkeeping mistake/error........ as in a wrong or poor decision.
You absolutely slated the fella if I remember...which was most unjust. Mind you at the time a lot of folk were looking everywhere for scapecoats and you and one or two others had a very convenient target on the day.I simply looked at what had happened rationaly and saw the two goals as both somewhat unfortunate though with two very different circumstances, neither of which were bad keeping as such.
Still think he's our best keeper incidently.
And there's that ear bashing!
Without wishing to start this whole argument again, I'm don't do sacpegoat chasing, I try to analyse it as rationally as I can I then I come on here and give my views on the game as I saw it for the benefit of those who weren't there.
I don't really care if you agree with my opinions and I don't care if you look at my post about yesterdays game and decide you can't take it seriously because you didn't agree with what I said about the Birmingham game. I do however think it's out of order getting quite personal and accusing me of some pretty negative behaviour when you've never even met me. If I remember rightly, at the time, you even accused me of having no right to an opinion on Weaver because I can't have seen him play much if I didn't rate him.
Football is a game of opinions which is why online communities like this can exist and thrive, opinions also often differ from people to people, that doesn't mean you have the right to abuse me or question my love or commitment to my club simply because I don't agree with you.
Oh for gawds sake...get over it Exiled...if you think that's an 'ear bashing' you've not been on the message boards for very long....I and a good few folk around here can do a much better job if you really fancy it.
By the way I've beeen posting on various Charlton message boards for many years and I'm 61 years of age...so I've been round the block a few times, been taken to task myself many a time and given some stick back...like you say it's what it's all about....except when directed at you it would seem!
Exactly 'where' have I been 'personal' as you put it? I think you were 'personal' about Weaver...a good honest pro who you set about slaughtering....I didn't like it, you were way OTT and I defended him....end of really.
PS...I'd forgotten about it long ago...you seem not to have...like I said, get over it mate.
It was supposed to be a light hearted comment Sound, you're to one who reopnend the debate. I think saying I had no right to an opinion is quite personal as is suggesting I was on a witch hunt. You may not and perhaps I'm just a more sensitive sole than you, it takes all sorts. Either way, at 61 I'd expect you to be a bit more respectful of others opinions, or have you turned into the worst kind of old man, the miserable old cynic that think's he knows everything and that anyone who thinks differently to him is an idiot or a lier with some kind of hidden agenda or axe to grind.
At no point did I get personal with either you or Weaver, I said I didn't rate him and said why - I believe that's called contructive criticism. I didn't say I thought he was bad pro, or a nasty man or anything of that sort.
It wasn't you disagreeing with me Sound or even you suggesting I was OTT or out of order, just the vociferousness of your response which to be frank, really pissed me off. Pathetic it may be, but I haven't forgotten it and you still haven't explained what gives you the right to speak to me like that.
The text in question was sent at half time and they were two pretty poor teams, although I was proud of the way they battled, especially in the 2nd half. Any half decent team would have beaten Barnsley though.
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Stu, good to meet you today. Maglor and I slipped back across the border into Carrot Cruncher Land without being detected by the natives. Hope to meet again on our travels.
Well he was today imho! Ward was sh*t hot.
hw bad was wards hair
I am being mega optomistic at present - although heart of heats I think we are doomed I'd rather see us take it to the last game of the season than lose the next 5 games and be out on our feet before easter.
Well peroxide blonde doesn't do it justice!!
Awesome, like mine ;-)
It's Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeaaaaattt
Gave you an ear bashing...refresh my memory...I haven't a clue what you're reffering to?
You absolutely slated the fella if I remember...which was most unjust. Mind you at the time a lot of folk were looking everywhere for scapecoats and you and one or two others had a very convenient target on the day.I simply looked at what had happened rationaly and saw the two goals as both somewhat unfortunate though with two very different circumstances, neither of which were bad keeping as such.
Still think he's our best keeper incidently.
I really think, with the greatest respect SHG, that that is not the way to look at yesterdays result. In the last two games, we have picked if four points, thats two points a game. If we average two points a game for the rest of the season, we will net another 26 points. That will take us onto 52 points. Only one side in the last twelve seasons has gone down on 52 points, that was Leicester last season. Some seasons the mid forties has been enough.
So my take on things is that we need to win our home games and average a draw at all our away games. It won't run on rails but the fact is that we have got the four points from two games we need so far.
What you say is right, but it's a positive card that we can use. I am realistic to know that the maths is against us but in a way thats our best chance. The belief that we can beat the odds can act as a truely galvanising effetc. I have also learned in life that the more you want something and focus on the goal the more it happens. The trick is the focus. Not being deflected by doubts and incertainty. There is only one certainty here and that is we will go down if we don't get enough more points than anybody else at the bottom. That's it. We will be relegated if the the season stops now. The players know that and it's the managements job to make sure they are focussed. We play our bit by getting behind them, cheering every chance created, every point won from now til the end.
And there's that ear bashing!
Without wishing to start this whole argument again, I'm don't do sacpegoat chasing, I try to analyse it as rationally as I can I then I come on here and give my views on the game as I saw it for the benefit of those who weren't there.
I don't really care if you agree with my opinions and I don't care if you look at my post about yesterdays game and decide you can't take it seriously because you didn't agree with what I said about the Birmingham game. I do however think it's out of order getting quite personal and accusing me of some pretty negative behaviour when you've never even met me. If I remember rightly, at the time, you even accused me of having no right to an opinion on Weaver because I can't have seen him play much if I didn't rate him.
Football is a game of opinions which is why online communities like this can exist and thrive, opinions also often differ from people to people, that doesn't mean you have the right to abuse me or question my love or commitment to my club simply because I don't agree with you.
By the way I've beeen posting on various Charlton message boards for many years and I'm 61 years of age...so I've been round the block a few times, been taken to task myself many a time and given some stick back...like you say it's what it's all about....except when directed at you it would seem!
Exactly 'where' have I been 'personal' as you put it? I think you were 'personal' about Weaver...a good honest pro who you set about slaughtering....I didn't like it, you were way OTT and I defended him....end of really.
PS...I'd forgotten about it long ago...you seem not to have...like I said, get over it mate.
At no point did I get personal with either you or Weaver, I said I didn't rate him and said why - I believe that's called contructive criticism. I didn't say I thought he was bad pro, or a nasty man or anything of that sort.
It wasn't you disagreeing with me Sound or even you suggesting I was OTT or out of order, just the vociferousness of your response which to be frank, really pissed me off. Pathetic it may be, but I haven't forgotten it and you still haven't explained what gives you the right to speak to me like that.
On balance, sounded more encouraging than originally thought.