Kept going on about how we didn't perform as a team which got me thinking about the amount of appearances tonight's starting line-up had made and, other than Holland, Bailey and Basey, the other eight had all made less than five (give or take). Surely therein lies the problem? I know we're in a desperate situation but I genuinely believe now is the time to keep a settled team because these constant changes/players making their debuts aren't helping. I don't blame Parky for this as it all began when Pards started getting desperate last season but it really needs to stop now because we need to start planning for next season in League One and one month or two month long signings aren't going to help.
He also laid into Ambrose, Moutakil and Sam for not making any effort when they came on. I'm not excusing them but Moutakil and Sam have seen different players come in and replace them constantly over the last two seasons even when they've been playing okay so their motivation levels must be low. As for Ambrose, I still remember him running away from the ball when we were fighting relegation from the Premiership and, given that he's already been out on loan, he knows his days are numbered and he shouldn't be anywhere near the squad because we all know how he's going to play.
Either way, I'm caring less and less about the whole situation............
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And if he's really playing for a new contract with us (do you really believe that?), I hope that he's comfortable with taking a huge pay-cut.
His contract is up at the end of the season and while I'm sure there'll be a club or two in for him (after all Jeffers is still in gainful employment) I'm sure he'd want to find himself at a decent club on a three year deal at least, rather than taking his chances on a mid-table CCC outfit. So far Ipswich don't want him and he's hardly made a pressing case for extracting a new deal out of us for next year. Even if we don't go down I doubt that we can't afford to pay him what he's earning this year. Whether that's affecting his performance or not, who knows...
I guarantee that he'll make at least three changes for Saturday's game.
I think the point is he's playing for a new contract at wherever he'll end up next. Given that magilton has publicly said he doesn't want him after getting a good long look at him, he should be worried about where he'll end up.
Ambrose has got a bit of unfair treatment in the past i think, much like jensen wasn't appreciated by lots of fans. He's got no where near his potential though, no doubt.
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He reminds me a bit of Mark Robson, a talented player who was a bit lightweight for the First division with West Ham, came to Charlton, we all admired his skill, but he was too easily barged off the ball and ultimately never fulfilled his potential.
As for Sam & Mootoo, I think both are ok and would do a good job in League 1 if we kept them. Sam blows hot and cold and needs to find consistency, whatever he was like when he came on (and the commentator obviously thought he was lazy) was probably down to an off day IMO. Mootoo I would imagine is pretty hacked off, always overlooked, always dropped and the manager has just tried to play a midfielder in his position rather than putting him on.
However when all is said and done, whatever he is feeling he is paid good money to play for us and so should give 100% when he comes on. plus if he was the only one not to applaud the fans that is a disgrace, however pissed off he is at the manager i don't remember any fan really having a go at hom (before tonight) and we pay his wages.
I appreciate I am not close to any of the players or really know what goes on from day to day but from my perspective as an outsider it really looks like we have a MASSIVE attitude problem at this club which if recent rumours (Wright & Randolph) are true seems to even be spreading to the younger players in the squad. I have no idea how it would be turned around though :-(
Fair play to em.
100% right re Murty. Leicester signed Chris Powell when they went down and their fans credit him a lot for their performance this season. A wise head and good person to have around. From what I have seen of Murty he is similar and with proper match fitness should do a very good job at that level.
it's harsh to say he has no ability. he's got a good long range shot and creativity with the ability to play a crucial pass.
I see what you mean and I agree except that I wouldn't call it laziness. Tackling and winning headers is not what either player is about and they're no good at it. For me, it doesn't mean they don't care or don't try.
He just hasn't put it in and is probably the last character we need at this club.
Gutless.
Sell him to bloody Man United then!
Old "Flasher" Walker used to get a barrelload of stuck during the 80's at The Valley. . . .
11 Steve Brown's over 110 Darren Ambrose's. All day long.
Clive Walker who is impartial did a good job this evening, left us in no doubt, just talking to a mate who was there, and he agrees with the views we heard on BBC London
maybe... but 8 steve browns and 3 darren ambroses and we'd make the playoffs. :0)
You misunderstand the point I'm making - Ambrose stands out in this Charlton team for his deficiences, at a better club, even the Charlton of two/three seasons ago when he first arrived, he'd look a better player.
The issue that Clive Walker and Phil Parry raised on commentary wasn't about talent at all but about attitude. They said that what they saw on the pitch tonight was ''totally unacceptable''.
It's hard to feel shocked about anythng any more at this stage of such an appalling season. But I never thought I'd hear impartial commentators attacking Charlton players as "unprofessional" and a "disgrace" and "not fit to wear the shirt."
Walker and Parry sounded genuinely disgusted by some of what they saw tonight. As fans, we all feel entitled to grumble and moan like hell when we lose. But when you hear objective and normally cautious professionals making those sort of no-holds-barred criticisms - well, you feel the end really is nigh.
I'd love to hear from some of the 253 Charlton fans who were there that the commentators were talking rubbish...
Can't we get him on loan ....?