The Inspector wrote: "Unconstructive anger won't help anyone... especially if it's got the benefit of hindsight. I'm just hunkering down for next season."
Rather unfair, that. I've just looked back at what a majority of us were saying on here after the Barnsley game on Nov 1st and it's entirely consistent and sadly we were proved all too right - so no hindsight about it.
We know what has happened since - dithering over the sacking of Pardew which wasted another three games, dithering over a bogus 'caretakership', the promise of a strategic review and the ridiculous appopintment of a failed manager instead.
Nobody needs hindsight - we saw it coming and we said so!
We were called moaners and doomsters and told we contributed nothing constuctive. We were told we were part of the problem because we never stopped complaining. We were told to shut up and go away and even at the end of November/early December some people were insisting on here that we were still not in a relegation fight - something about relegation battles don't begin until Xmas.
Well frankly, I'm glad that I moaned and complained rather than being one of those who said Pardew should be given more time/ the board knows best/ just shut up and support the team and management/ let them get on with it because we don't see what happens on the training ground/ let's not be rushed into appointing a new manager/ a caretaker is a jolly good idea etc etc.
Gives me no pleasure to have been right in saying three months ago that we were sleepwalking to disaster and I don't expect those who did the name-calling to apologise. But please don't tell us now that our anger is with "the beneft of hindsight'' when it's long genesis is in black and white in the archives of this forum for all to see.
Well that was gutless and clueless bar a couple of players.Our central defenders were at fault for no2 and 3 goals pony pony pony.I believe the only reason Jonjon was substituted was to protect him coz yet again he was our best player.
Harry Storer once hauled a Coventry player onto the pitch after a game and asked him 'Where is it?' 'Where's what?' enquired the player. Storer replied, 'That black hole you disappeared into for ninety minutes, it has to be here somewhere'.
I'm still in Sheffield, still struggling to get over what I saw. Just wondered if I am actually in that black hole, sat with other CAFC supporters whilst real life is going on somewhere else.
[cite]Posted By: nigel w[/cite]The Inspector wrote: "Unconstructive anger won't help anyone... especially if it's got the benefit of hindsight. I'm just hunkering down for next season."
Rather unfair, that. I've just looked back at what a majority of us were saying on here after the Barnsley game on Nov 1st and it's entirely consistent and sadly we were proved all too right - so no hindsight about it.
We know what has happened since - dithering over the sacking of Pardew which wasted another three games, dithering over a bogus 'caretakership', the promise of a strategic review and the ridiculous appopintment of a failed manager instead.
Nobody needs hindsight - we saw it coming and we said so!
We were called moaners and doomsters and told we contributed nothing constuctive. We were told we were part of the problem because we never stopped complaining. We were told to shut up and go away and even at the end of November/early December some people were insisting on here that we were still not in a relegation fight - something about relegation battles don't begin until Xmas.
Well frankly, I'm glad that I moaned and complained rather than being one of those who said Pardew should be given more time/ the board knows best/ just shut up and support the team and management/ let them get on with it because we don't see what happens on the training ground/ let's not be rushed into appointing a new manager/ a caretaker is a jolly good idea etc etc.
Gives me no pleasure to have been right in saying three months ago that we were sleepwalking to disaster and I don't expect those who did the name-calling to apologise. But please don't tell us now that our anger is with "the beneft of hindsight'' when it's long genesis is in black and white in the archives of this forum for all to see.
A very good summary of events and how they have panned out.
It is a fact that the loudest voices telling us to 'trust the Board' or 'give Pardew time' months ago were either on the payroll of the club or CAFC hierarchy social climbers and wannabees...
In the end they merely provided an extra hurdle for ordinary fans to climb over in order to express their views without fear of rebuke.
We have Sheffield United to thank for getting Pardew the sack. If we hadn't shipped five goals at home that day, he might have clung on even longer...
[cite]Posted By: Sailor Browneye[/cite][quote
It is a fact that the loudest voices telling us to 'trust the Board' or 'give Pardew time' months ago were either on the payroll of the club or CAFC hierarchy social climbers and wannabees...
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[cite]Posted By: JohnnyH2[/cite]What Nigel and Sailor said.
[cite]Posted By: Oakster[/cite]
[cite]Posted By: Sailor Browneye[/cite][quote
It is a fact that the loudest voices telling us to 'trust the Board' or 'give Pardew time' months ago were either on the payroll of the club or CAFC hierarchy social climbers and wannabees...
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Lets all take it easy lads. We all have differing views and ways of supporting our club. However, remember we are all supprters and none of us are enjoying what is going on right now. Lets not critisise some for being more tolerent, or forgiving or being less militant than others or even just plain wrong. We are in this shizer together and we will see it through together no doubt.
[cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite]Lets all take it easy lads. We all have differing views and ways of supporting our club. However, remember we are all supprters and none of us are enjoying what is going on right now. Lets not critisise some for being more tolerent, or forgiving or being less militant than others or even just plain wrong. We are in this shizer together and we will see it through together no doubt.
Very fair point. Too much finger pointing going on at the moment. Fans digging at themselves is very much a side issue to the big picture, and continuing it will just take away time and energy for what should be the main focus.
Mate, I do disagree with what you are implying because there is no ‘digging’ going on. Are any specific posters or fans mentioned? If anyone thinks ‘they’ are referred to then that might be due to the fact they were the ones who very vocally slapped down others when they ‘dared’ to criticise what the club appeared to be doing.
I have seen innumerable posts over many weeks and months where posters who didn’t ‘tow the party line’ received sneering, even patronising, replies for expressing how they felt.
I actually think this is a VERY valid point because it wasn’t until after the Barnsley game that opinions began to shift a bit and even then certain posters, directly affiliated to CAFC, went out of their way to remonstrate about the perceived ‘negativity’ on this message board.
I believe if more people had felt comfortable enough to be able to say what they were thinking, earlier on in this mess, maybe things might have transpired differently, who knows? The Board may have been faced with a growing discontent a number of weeks before they realised they were forced to act. That ‘may’ have affected their thinking.
But I think it is equally important that those forum members who did have comments directed at them, by others unhappy with the way the directors/manager might have been criticised, can at least now, freely and openly, state that their apparent negativity was in fact well placed and merited. I think this is important for the sake of free speech.
I absolutely don’t agree with obvious, personal attacks, of course, or directly singling individuals out but one should be able to say what one thinks at this time, regarding the club and related issues too.
I think, on the grounds of impartiality, those Charlton fans who could foresee what was going to happen several months back should be able to express that and if it means there are inferences to those who tended to sing from the official CAFC hymn sheet and stick their heads in the sand, then so be it.
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Rather unfair, that. I've just looked back at what a majority of us were saying on here after the Barnsley game on Nov 1st and it's entirely consistent and sadly we were proved all too right - so no hindsight about it.
We know what has happened since - dithering over the sacking of Pardew which wasted another three games, dithering over a bogus 'caretakership', the promise of a strategic review and the ridiculous appopintment of a failed manager instead.
Nobody needs hindsight - we saw it coming and we said so!
We were called moaners and doomsters and told we contributed nothing constuctive. We were told we were part of the problem because we never stopped complaining. We were told to shut up and go away and even at the end of November/early December some people were insisting on here that we were still not in a relegation fight - something about relegation battles don't begin until Xmas.
Well frankly, I'm glad that I moaned and complained rather than being one of those who said Pardew should be given more time/ the board knows best/ just shut up and support the team and management/ let them get on with it because we don't see what happens on the training ground/ let's not be rushed into appointing a new manager/ a caretaker is a jolly good idea etc etc.
Gives me no pleasure to have been right in saying three months ago that we were sleepwalking to disaster and I don't expect those who did the name-calling to apologise. But please don't tell us now that our anger is with "the beneft of hindsight'' when it's long genesis is in black and white in the archives of this forum for all to see.
I'm still in Sheffield, still struggling to get over what I saw. Just wondered if I am actually in that black hole, sat with other CAFC supporters whilst real life is going on somewhere else.
A very good summary of events and how they have panned out.
It is a fact that the loudest voices telling us to 'trust the Board' or 'give Pardew time' months ago were either on the payroll of the club or CAFC hierarchy social climbers and wannabees...
In the end they merely provided an extra hurdle for ordinary fans to climb over in order to express their views without fear of rebuke.
We have Sheffield United to thank for getting Pardew the sack. If we hadn't shipped five goals at home that day, he might have clung on even longer...
What the good Sailor said!
I thank you....!! :-)
Very fair point. Too much finger pointing going on at the moment. Fans digging at themselves is very much a side issue to the big picture, and continuing it will just take away time and energy for what should be the main focus.
Mate, I do disagree with what you are implying because there is no ‘digging’ going on. Are any specific posters or fans mentioned? If anyone thinks ‘they’ are referred to then that might be due to the fact they were the ones who very vocally slapped down others when they ‘dared’ to criticise what the club appeared to be doing.
I have seen innumerable posts over many weeks and months where posters who didn’t ‘tow the party line’ received sneering, even patronising, replies for expressing how they felt.
I actually think this is a VERY valid point because it wasn’t until after the Barnsley game that opinions began to shift a bit and even then certain posters, directly affiliated to CAFC, went out of their way to remonstrate about the perceived ‘negativity’ on this message board.
I believe if more people had felt comfortable enough to be able to say what they were thinking, earlier on in this mess, maybe things might have transpired differently, who knows? The Board may have been faced with a growing discontent a number of weeks before they realised they were forced to act. That ‘may’ have affected their thinking.
But I think it is equally important that those forum members who did have comments directed at them, by others unhappy with the way the directors/manager might have been criticised, can at least now, freely and openly, state that their apparent negativity was in fact well placed and merited. I think this is important for the sake of free speech.
I absolutely don’t agree with obvious, personal attacks, of course, or directly singling individuals out but one should be able to say what one thinks at this time, regarding the club and related issues too.
I think, on the grounds of impartiality, those Charlton fans who could foresee what was going to happen several months back should be able to express that and if it means there are inferences to those who tended to sing from the official CAFC hymn sheet and stick their heads in the sand, then so be it.