Every week that goes by like this makes it harder and harder for the Board to justify appointing Parkinson but I suspect they will attempt to stick to their guns for now.
If we lose several more on the spin then I think they 'might' release PP but they will leave Kinsella and Chapple in charge. Indeed, Murray might try to swing that set-up in League One too.
Cannot see any major reshuffle following what the Board said on New Year's Eve. There isn't the money for starters...
[cite]Posted By: WSS[/cite]...considering our financial position what do you suggest the Board does in terms of recruitment of a new manager and coaching team?
Anyone could do a better job. He's part of the Pardew regime and we need a clean sweep. The whole of football was amazed he got the job.
I'm not sure how loans work but i'd imagine we pay something towards wages, so send back Murty, Soares and Waghorn and use the money we'd save for a new manager.
If we are lucky enough to fool anyone into buying any of our remaining bigger name players (Shelvey aside), wouldn't it be worth investing that cash into bringing someone in who could actually lead the team out of this mess?
We can tinker around with the squad for the rest of the transfer window, but even if we manage to land ourselves a couple of potentially decent loanees, is it ultimately going to do us much good as the rest of the players seem incapable of playing under the current regime.
[cite]Posted By: BlackForestReds[/cite]I wouldn't want Kinsella to resign and if he did, I don't want the board to accept it.
Or have him resign citing PP to force the Board's hand - the reaction towards the legend resigning will sweep him back as a manager or is there too many glory boys out there sitting and drowning in their apathy???????
If PP does go now it is going to take us a week or so to get someone in, that someone will be lumbered with the new worldbeaters Parkinson has brought in.
We all now when our season ended CAFC 0 Barnsley 3.
The board fart arsed around. We all know that should have outed the pair of them there and then.
The only advantage I see to bringing in someone new now, is that he gets 18 games to see just how shite the majority of this squad is and gets a good chance to sort things out for division 3.
[cite]Posted By: Chris_from_Sidcup[/cite]Anyone could do a better job. He's part of the Pardew regime and we need a clean sweep. The whole of football was amazed he got the job.
I'm not sure how loans work but i'd imagine we pay something towards wages, so send back Murty, Soares and Waghorn and use the money we'd save for a new manager.
We had no money and to compound that we couldn't afford to pay off both Pardew and Parkinson. I think the board thought/hoped that we'd survive relegation and a new manager could come in over the summer.
As for the loans, I doubt they are costing us that much. Waghorn was here to get experience and is due to return anyway about now. Soares is quality and Murty is recovering from injury. The reason why they are at Charlton is because they are cheap, sending them back won't save much money.
Pardkinson now says that the board promised him the job way back in Dec 2006 as and when the other bloke moved on... they gave him the job after failing to win in eight and told us he was "overwhelmingly'' the best man for the job. How they worked that out, nobody knows.
The table when Pardew left:
16pts from 18 games
The table tonight:
19 pts from 28 games
What is the point? I've been upset most of the season. For the first time I'm now feeling angry. Really angry. We've been mismanaged and we've been misled. These are dark, dark days and there's probably worse to come yet, I fear. Both on and off the pitch.
He has not done well but in fairness to him Dowie and Pardew have spunked all the money and he is feeding from scraps so the situation is not his fault.
How often has your boss left you in the sh** at work? On a larger scale that is what Pardew has done to Parkinson (Christiansen etc eating up scarce resources).
We are relegated now so the emphasis must be on giving OUR players match experience and hope to bounce back at the first attempt.
''We are relegated now so the emphasis must be on giving OUR players match experience and hope to bounce back at the first attempt.''
Agree with that, Len. There's no point in playing Murty and Soares. Give Moots, Wright and young Wagstaff some experience and it wll hold them in good stead next August in dv 3.
Surely if Parkinson had anything about him he would have helped pardew out when he was in the shtuck. Im sure Pardew would have counsulted with him over his signings. Or more cynically if he was keeping his ideas to himself until he got a crack at the job he has proved now that he just isnt up to it.
The fact is i wouldn't bet on Parkinson to get us out of League One next season so he simply has to go. Get a new man in and go down fighting then make a go of it next year, with Parkinson in charge we're going down embarrassingly with a record low points total and we'll have a hangover next season.
[cite]Posted By: BlackForestReds[/cite]I wouldn't want Kinsella to resign and if he did, I don't want the board to accept it.
Surely, if Kins remains we have exactly the same problem as Pardew-Parky, we have Parky-Kinsella and it will carry on ad iniftium.
Get rid of them all.
Chucking the baby out with the bathwater isn't very wise. Kinsella has predominantly been in charge of the reserves and we've seen Wright, Wagstaff, Shelvey and a couple of other young players come through who might be playing big roles at the club in a season or so. I assume as reserve team coach he's overseeing their progress. We need that continuity.
If Parkinson goes now then I still think that the name of Charlton Athletic can and would attract some decent applicants for manager. Failure next season to bounce back under Parkinson will significantly reduce the clubs credability. GET RID NOW.
[cite]Posted By: nigel w[/cite]We've been mismanaged and we've been misled.
This pretty much sums things up.
'Mismanaged' - both on and off the pitch for at least two years. I still cannot get my head round how skint we are now. When did our 'tight ship' run aground so catastrophically? We shouldn't have ended up powerless to try and turn around our fortunes like we have.
'Misled' - yep, that's what happened late last year with that pointless 'strategic review'. It amounted to little more than throwing a few straws to the wind...
So sad - not just where we find ourselves in the league but that our Board of Directors have lost the plot so spectacularly.
As things stand now and considering how they have been shaping up since the end of last season, as Ricky Tomlinson might say, 'well-run, my arse...'
kinsella was forcing players to come over to the fans. some didnt want to come over but did so half heartedly with their heads in shame. i dont think any should be collecting their wages this week. put them all on performance related pay and see who wants to turn up on a saturday.
When did our 'tight ship' run aground so catastrophically?
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To an extent that's football these days - there are few teams in the Champoionship that are financially secure, unless they have owners with deep pockets like QPR. Sadly we spunked away too much money on average players and those like Dean Sinclair and Christiansen who've never gotten near to the first team. Additionally we bought in too many average players- Varney, McLeod etc who cost too much and never delivered.
[cite]Posted By: BlackForestReds[/cite]When did our 'tight ship' run aground so catastrophically?
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To an extent that's football these days - there are few teams in the Champoionship that are financially secure, unless they have owners with deep pockets like QPR. Sadly we spunked away too much money on average players and those like Dean Sinclair and Christiansen who've never gotten near to the first team. Additionally we bought in too many average players- Varney, McLeod etc who cost too much and never delivered.
I've commented on this elsewhere in the last couple of weeks or so BFR me old mate - my Taking Stock thread covers some of this from last weekend - so all I'll say is, yep, you're right, any club that goes down after a number of years in the top flight will need to move players on and release/loan others and maybe take a hit on their books BUT we did all those things - successfully.
Last season, for example, we received 11M from the parachute money and we generated more than 17M more from the sale of players including D Bent, Young, Diawara and Rommedahl. We also freed up space on the wage bill with El Karkouri, HH, Hughes, Kish, JFH all released and Faye/M Bent loaned out for at least 7-8 months. There may have been one or two more. It really should have been enough.
Pardew, as you say, certainly spunked the money he was given on shite but as I say in my Taking Stock thread, neither he nor Parky is responsible for the ratio of salaries to turnover for example.
The Board also should have been able to respond to problems at managerial level - after all Pardew failed in his mission shockingly last season, so his sacking was always a possibility at least this year. Giving the job to PP as an alternative is poorly thought-out, inappropriate and, frankly, desperate.
[cite]Posted By: LenGlover[/cite]I think Sailor's point about 1 month loans only has become significant.
At least we won't be stuck with uninterested foreign dross for the remainder of the season.
Cheers Len. I think the way things are going it may well be the case that our one month loans will quietly return to their parent clubs with little protestation from us. The next few games will decide that perhaps.
For all of Jonjo Shelvey's undoubted potential, for a club fighting relegation to be relying on a 16 year old to be its main attacking threat, while the main striker selected in the team was being willingly cajoled out of the door earlier in the same week, says it all.
There will often be one club that the other 19 or 23 clubs in the division will look at and think 'jesus, they're totally fecked'. Well, the time has come for us to be that club.
I've always thought that short term loans were an emergency measure to cover for injuries, but in our case we seem to be relying on them more and more as pukka first choice players at the expense of our reserves. There's no way you can plan for the future on such a basis and equally no way these journeymen are going to give of their best when there is so much coming and going. Throw a manager who has the motorvational skills of Postman Pat into the mix and you end up with the sort of mess we've got.
[cite]Posted By: March51[/cite]I've always thought that short term loans were an emergency measure to cover for injuries
They are, or for young players to get experience. Loans like Murty and Soares only really benefit their main club.
We've got an unbalanced squad lacking in quality, no money, so loans are the only option, apart from cheap signings like Burton and Spring. We're getting even more desperate as the season goes on.
Look at Pardew loaning Waghorn, promising player, but not quite Championship quality at the moment, but he had little other options and took a risk which was unlikely to come off. Soares feels like another signing like that.
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If we lose several more on the spin then I think they 'might' release PP but they will leave Kinsella and Chapple in charge. Indeed, Murray might try to swing that set-up in League One too.
Cannot see any major reshuffle following what the Board said on New Year's Eve. There isn't the money for starters...
Surely you mean when?.
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I'll do it. I could hardly do any worse.
I'm not sure how loans work but i'd imagine we pay something towards wages, so send back Murty, Soares and Waghorn and use the money we'd save for a new manager.
If we are lucky enough to fool anyone into buying any of our remaining bigger name players (Shelvey aside), wouldn't it be worth investing that cash into bringing someone in who could actually lead the team out of this mess?
We can tinker around with the squad for the rest of the transfer window, but even if we manage to land ourselves a couple of potentially decent loanees, is it ultimately going to do us much good as the rest of the players seem incapable of playing under the current regime.
Or have him resign citing PP to force the Board's hand - the reaction towards the legend resigning will sweep him back as a manager or is there too many glory boys out there sitting and drowning in their apathy???????
If PP does go now it is going to take us a week or so to get someone in, that someone will be lumbered with the new worldbeaters Parkinson has brought in.
We all now when our season ended CAFC 0 Barnsley 3.
The board fart arsed around. We all know that should have outed the pair of them there and then.
The only advantage I see to bringing in someone new now, is that he gets 18 games to see just how shite the majority of this squad is and gets a good chance to sort things out for division 3.
I'm sold on that idea. Mr Murray? Mr Chappell?
Get rid of them all.
We had no money and to compound that we couldn't afford to pay off both Pardew and Parkinson. I think the board thought/hoped that we'd survive relegation and a new manager could come in over the summer.
As for the loans, I doubt they are costing us that much. Waghorn was here to get experience and is due to return anyway about now. Soares is quality and Murty is recovering from injury. The reason why they are at Charlton is because they are cheap, sending them back won't save much money.
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Pardkinson now says that the board promised him the job way back in Dec 2006 as and when the other bloke moved on... they gave him the job after failing to win in eight and told us he was "overwhelmingly'' the best man for the job. How they worked that out, nobody knows.
The table when Pardew left:
16pts from 18 games
The table tonight:
19 pts from 28 games
What is the point? I've been upset most of the season. For the first time I'm now feeling angry. Really angry. We've been mismanaged and we've been misled. These are dark, dark days and there's probably worse to come yet, I fear. Both on and off the pitch.
He has not done well but in fairness to him Dowie and Pardew have spunked all the money and he is feeding from scraps so the situation is not his fault.
How often has your boss left you in the sh** at work? On a larger scale that is what Pardew has done to Parkinson (Christiansen etc eating up scarce resources).
We are relegated now so the emphasis must be on giving OUR players match experience and hope to bounce back at the first attempt.
Jeffers had to score!
Agree with that, Len. There's no point in playing Murty and Soares. Give Moots, Wright and young Wagstaff some experience and it wll hold them in good stead next August in dv 3.
(and he might get a game)
Lol, brilliant!!
Chucking the baby out with the bathwater isn't very wise. Kinsella has predominantly been in charge of the reserves and we've seen Wright, Wagstaff, Shelvey and a couple of other young players come through who might be playing big roles at the club in a season or so. I assume as reserve team coach he's overseeing their progress. We need that continuity.
This pretty much sums things up.
'Mismanaged' - both on and off the pitch for at least two years. I still cannot get my head round how skint we are now. When did our 'tight ship' run aground so catastrophically? We shouldn't have ended up powerless to try and turn around our fortunes like we have.
'Misled' - yep, that's what happened late last year with that pointless 'strategic review'. It amounted to little more than throwing a few straws to the wind...
So sad - not just where we find ourselves in the league but that our Board of Directors have lost the plot so spectacularly.
As things stand now and considering how they have been shaping up since the end of last season, as Ricky Tomlinson might say, 'well-run, my arse...'
...................
To an extent that's football these days - there are few teams in the Champoionship that are financially secure, unless they have owners with deep pockets like QPR. Sadly we spunked away too much money on average players and those like Dean Sinclair and Christiansen who've never gotten near to the first team. Additionally we bought in too many average players- Varney, McLeod etc who cost too much and never delivered.
At least we won't be stuck with uninterested foreign dross for the remainder of the season.
Would that make you happier?
I've commented on this elsewhere in the last couple of weeks or so BFR me old mate - my Taking Stock thread covers some of this from last weekend - so all I'll say is, yep, you're right, any club that goes down after a number of years in the top flight will need to move players on and release/loan others and maybe take a hit on their books BUT we did all those things - successfully.
Last season, for example, we received 11M from the parachute money and we generated more than 17M more from the sale of players including D Bent, Young, Diawara and Rommedahl. We also freed up space on the wage bill with El Karkouri, HH, Hughes, Kish, JFH all released and Faye/M Bent loaned out for at least 7-8 months. There may have been one or two more. It really should have been enough.
Pardew, as you say, certainly spunked the money he was given on shite but as I say in my Taking Stock thread, neither he nor Parky is responsible for the ratio of salaries to turnover for example.
The Board also should have been able to respond to problems at managerial level - after all Pardew failed in his mission shockingly last season, so his sacking was always a possibility at least this year. Giving the job to PP as an alternative is poorly thought-out, inappropriate and, frankly, desperate.
Cheers Len. I think the way things are going it may well be the case that our one month loans will quietly return to their parent clubs with little protestation from us. The next few games will decide that perhaps.
For all of Jonjo Shelvey's undoubted potential, for a club fighting relegation to be relying on a 16 year old to be its main attacking threat, while the main striker selected in the team was being willingly cajoled out of the door earlier in the same week, says it all.
There will often be one club that the other 19 or 23 clubs in the division will look at and think 'jesus, they're totally fecked'. Well, the time has come for us to be that club.
Persisting with uninterested loanees when there is no prospect of survival could well achieve just that.
I remember us nearly dying in 1984 all too well. We live in a more hostile financial climate now.
All I'm saying is give experience to those who will (or we hope will) be around next season rather than the loanees.
They are, or for young players to get experience. Loans like Murty and Soares only really benefit their main club.
We've got an unbalanced squad lacking in quality, no money, so loans are the only option, apart from cheap signings like Burton and Spring. We're getting even more desperate as the season goes on.
Look at Pardew loaning Waghorn, promising player, but not quite Championship quality at the moment, but he had little other options and took a risk which was unlikely to come off. Soares feels like another signing like that.