Henry - you're right assuming we can sign a comparable player, until the end of the season, at the same weekly rate. Maybe we'll get lucky and we can actually save a little, maybe we won't.
But one thing it will drain is Parkinson's time when he needs to be snapping up our three/four new players - as well as Murty's replacement if he does leave in a month.
No it hasn't happened yet but we are utterly dependent on the clubs with ownership - hence my concerns about McEveley and Murty as I mentioned elsewhere.
You, like myself, have no idea whether Parkinson was anticipating Bouazza's possible departure but the fact we played him at the weekend, with the blessing of his club, would suggest that IF the Brum rumour DOES have validity, then this is indeed a distraction PP wasn't expecting as it is a new, developing situation.
Not great news if true but at least we have until Feb 2nd to find some sort of a solution.
We have been through this scenerio previously with Smertin, so it can happen.
Some people will look at the weaknesses in Bouazza's game and say he's tosh, get rid.
But if he did move on, you've only got to look at the qualities he does bring to the game, however inconsistantly, to know it could be difficult to replace him on a shoestring budget.
And there is no one I can see in the squad at the moment ready to step into his shoes - and produce pace, creativity, flair.and long range shooting ability.
[cite]Posted By: adamtheaddick[/cite]wagstaff can play left, as i think one of the african lads due in anytime now aswell..
He was poor on the right, nevermind the left. Not good enough at the moment, not sure he ever will be.
Any idea when the Ivory Coast players will be back? Can any of them play for us next season?
As for Bouazza's wages, I remember reading that Fulham are paying part of them, so it'll free up room for a cheap replacement, probably not as good.
Cyriac we are meant to be trying for UK work permit ASAP but I can't see it happening. Don't think the others will be allowed until season after next but not sure.
I think the OS said that Fulham waved the loan fee but we were still paying the wages
Is it just me or have we never learnt how to do Loans properly.. remeber Carlton Cole, was meant to be a 2 season long loan fecked that up, smertin Fecked that up, now we get injured players comming to us to get fit and thats all then going back to there parent clubs and performing in there first team. other teams use loans wisely, either young quiality prem players or foreign based players who are frozen out of there team they work, i just dont hink we have ever understood the laon system and how to work it to our benifit.
Can't understand the lazy tag one little bit...hasn't set the place on fire but has put in some pretty good performances..one feels there's more to come and certainly in a better side he would be a far better player....as we are 'collectively' playing very poorly it's difficult to really judge any of the loan players...after weighing up the pros and cons I think he's pretty good and would prefer him to stay.
[cite]Posted By: adamtheaddick[/cite]Is it just me or have we never learnt how to do Loans properly.. remeber Carlton Cole, was meant to be a 2 season long loan fecked that up, smertin Fecked that up, now we get injured players comming to us to get fit and thats all then going back to there parent clubs and performing in there first team. other teams use loans wisely, either young quiality prem players or foreign based players who are frozen out of there team they work, i just dont hink we have ever understood the laon system and how to work it to our benifit.
That is such a sweeping statement. I think Pardew made a number of poor loan decisions but Carson, Costa, Mike Small ; - ) Were they all bad loans. ZZ I think was also a good loan
I also think we've used the loan system very well the other way round eg Dickson and Youga and going further back Parker. Certainly the sending out of young players on loan has been a lot better in recent years. Shame that we didn't build on what Youga and Dickson had done out on loan.
But to say that the club don't know how to do loans properly based on Cole and Smertin and Pardew's mistakes is to draw a incorrect conclusion from a limited amount of evidence especially when you say "I don't think we have EVER understood the loan system.
This is exactly what happened with Smertin when we had him from Chelsea. Hopefully our other loan players will stay. EDIT: Just read what Henry put so ignore my post
plus i reckon hes up there for goal of the season with the strike against sheff utd, if that had been ronaldo or torres they would have been raving about it for weeks...
This gets worse by the week, what the hell is going on down at SE7............if the board have given up then let us all know now and we will save our money for the rest of the season
[cite]Posted By: WhenIwasLittleBoy[/cite]This gets worse by the week, what the hell is going on down at SE7............if the board have given up then let us all know now and we will save our money for the rest of the season
I am rather concerned that they are letting us know, WIWLB - but through their deeds rather than words.
(Ducks in anticipation of a scathing Henry Irving attack.)
[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]But to say that the club don't know how to do loans properly based on Cole and Smertin and Pardew's mistakes is to draw a incorrect conclusion from a limited amount of evidence especially when you say "I don't think we have EVER understood the loan system.
[cite]Posted By: WhenIwasLittleBoy[/cite]This gets worse by the week, what the hell is going on down at SE7............if the board have given up then let us all know now and we will save our money for the rest of the season
I am rather concerned that they are letting us know, WIWLB - but through their deeds rather than words.
(Ducks in anticipation of a scathing Henry Irving attack.)
at last something to cheer me up.I don't rate him he is everything that is wrong in a modern day footballer,we got rid of one moody tosser with Thomas and replaced him with another one in Bouazza.Turn's it on when he feels like it.
Bouazza might well be a good player for a promotion chasing team, but not for a struggling team, although talented he goes missing and we don't have the players to carry him. Even when he is looking dangerous, he's too selfish and thus wasteful. I am not bothered if he goes given that this would free up loanee space for Waghorn/Murty/whoever plus save us quite a lot in wages.
I must watch a different player to a lot of you. Have none of you noticed the arguing that goes on between him and some of the other midfielders, particularly Bailey. He's a creative player, but that would only be of use to us if we had a much stronger team than we have, and he was able to roam as he wanted. I'd take a workmanlike left mid over the one decent game in 10 or more player, that i see Bouazza as.
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He was poor on the right, nevermind the left. Not good enough at the moment, not sure he ever will be.
Any idea when the Ivory Coast players will be back? Can any of them play for us next season?
As for Bouazza's wages, I remember reading that Fulham are paying part of them, so it'll free up room for a cheap replacement, probably not as good.
Dickson, Mcleod & Waghorn?
But one thing it will drain is Parkinson's time when he needs to be snapping up our three/four new players - as well as Murty's replacement if he does leave in a month.
No it hasn't happened yet but we are utterly dependent on the clubs with ownership - hence my concerns about McEveley and Murty as I mentioned elsewhere.
You, like myself, have no idea whether Parkinson was anticipating Bouazza's possible departure but the fact we played him at the weekend, with the blessing of his club, would suggest that IF the Brum rumour DOES have validity, then this is indeed a distraction PP wasn't expecting as it is a new, developing situation.
Not great news if true but at least we have until Feb 2nd to find some sort of a solution.
Some people will look at the weaknesses in Bouazza's game and say he's tosh, get rid.
But if he did move on, you've only got to look at the qualities he does bring to the game, however inconsistantly, to know it could be difficult to replace him on a shoestring budget.
And there is no one I can see in the squad at the moment ready to step into his shoes - and produce pace, creativity, flair.and long range shooting ability.
Parkinson won't play Dickson, doesn't seem to rate McLeod much either, and Waghorn isn't as quick as those two.
Cyriac we are meant to be trying for UK work permit ASAP but I can't see it happening. Don't think the others will be allowed until season after next but not sure.
I think the OS said that Fulham waved the loan fee but we were still paying the wages
He has pace and an ability to get in the box and win penalties so perhaps we won't miss Bouazza too much if Mcleod stays fit
or have I been sniffing the tippex again?:-)
That made me laugh good one. In all seriousness how many starts this season between them ? Less than 10 I would guess !
Maybe he could in a 4-5-1/4-3-3, wouldn't want him there in a 4-4-2.
tbh he said pace and i pointed out our 3 pacy players!
This is true but hopefully desperation will set in and he'll play dicko at least!
That is such a sweeping statement. I think Pardew made a number of poor loan decisions but Carson, Costa, Mike Small ; - ) Were they all bad loans. ZZ I think was also a good loan
I also think we've used the loan system very well the other way round eg Dickson and Youga and going further back Parker. Certainly the sending out of young players on loan has been a lot better in recent years. Shame that we didn't build on what Youga and Dickson had done out on loan.
But to say that the club don't know how to do loans properly based on Cole and Smertin and Pardew's mistakes is to draw a incorrect conclusion from a limited amount of evidence especially when you say "I don't think we have EVER understood the loan system.
EDIT: Just read what Henry put so ignore my post
Surely this doesn't make any sense at all.
If the player wants out then fair enough but if we're getting rid....baffling.
I am rather concerned that they are letting us know, WIWLB - but through their deeds rather than words.
(Ducks in anticipation of a scathing Henry Irving attack.)
Would be gutted to see him go and it would be, very nearly, the final nail in the coffin in my humble opinion.
LOL!
He must be our top goal scorer and poss our top goal creator??