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Is Parky making the same mistakes?

First up, Graeme Murty is a fairly decent player, on paper, to come in considering the circumstances, although one hopes his injury hasn’t finished him like Primus’ clearly had.

But the deal itself is unsatisfactory and Parkinson, at this early stage, seems to be making the same mistakes as his predecessor.

As others have said, what happens if we get a few results, get some momentum, look more solid at the back and then Coppell recalls him for the Reading promotion push? I personally believe a good loan is a real boost for a cash-strapped club but where we are now, we have to have a steady side until May - injuries permitting. We cannot afford any slip-ups with regard to loans either not working or not staying for the duration.

I said, the other day, Parkinson needs to be working on nailing our loan deals until the end of the season as it would be dreadful to lose McEveley or Bouazza, especially if they had become part of a settled side, halfway through February or early March for example.

In signing Murty, we now have a third player in the same situation. I’m forgetting about Waghorn for now as I guess he would seem to be the least important of the outstanding loans.

I just hope Parkinson’s reference to a ‘breathing space’ created by Murty’s arrival means he is looking at securing a right-back until the end of the season at the very least.

Parkinson’s comment ‘Obviously, he joins initially for a month and that gives him a chance to get some games under his belt’ will look ridiculous if all we do is get him fit for Reading and then we revert to normal service.

Clearly, Moo2 is not up to the defensive side of the task, hence the fact at least four different players (Mills, Halford, Cranie, Semedo) have been used in his position since he joined 18 months ago. We are going to need a fair few clean sheets to have any chance of escaping this situation and I'm just not convinced Yassin is solid enough if he is the only recognised right full-back once again come the middle of next month.

Out of interest, some stats as we are now linked to various players:-

James Scowcroft has played 118 league games (16 of these as a sub) since July 2005 when he left Leicester for Coventry and then Palace, scoring 17 goals. His record for Leicester (from 2001) was about one goal every five games. He will be 34 later this year.

Carl Fletcher has made three sub appearances this season for Palace and in 2007-8 he started 17 games. He was on loan at Forest earlier this season, going straight into their team, although he finished his loan on the bench.

However, Neil Warnock has supposedly distanced himself from these deals...
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  • I agree with the main thrust of your argument BUT we are in the position of beggars and beggars cannot be choosers. We therefore have to face the fact that, unless there is a miracle, the players we get will be "least worse options" and on that basis I reckon Murty is reasonable.

    I don't think either Scowcroft or Fletcher are, to quote the great Curbs, better than what we've got....
  • not forgetting his use of Cranie and Youga also flakey as hell - a lot more so than Moo2 if you ask me, and his persistence with non or low scoring strikers despite a poaching prolific reserve striker rotting in the reserves.
  • To be honest I think everyone is so down on everything Charlton at the moment if we had signed Wayne Bridge people would find fault. The loan is what it is, if you can think of a better Full-back we could get in before Saturday let the club know, i would hazard a guess that you would'nt. I know that the club are working their socks off to get Four players in before the dealine is up, a full back, a centre half, a centre mid & a striker, not sure why they are bothering cos if it aint John Terry, Steven Gerrard & Micheal Owen some people will never be satisfied. Lower your expectations just a little. We have signed the Club Captain of the most Flambouyant team in the league, think we have done ok on this one.
  • edited January 2009
    I think that we are getting players in on loan to see if they will be good in div 1. Scowcroft and Fletcher looking at there ages will be prime for div 1 and cheap.

    I would like to see Bryan Hughes back to be quite honest. Wont come because he is on premier wages.
  • [cite]Posted By: Ketman[/cite]I know that the club are working their socks off to get Four players in before the dealine is up,

    I find this hard to believe. Surely they are all sitting around with their feet up as I'm not seeing many rumours in the papers. Pull your finger out Waggott : - )
  • Pardews number Two...
  • I'm hoping that when they say "1 month's initial loan" that means we have an option for the rest of the season and it's just a month initially so that if he isn't fit (or suffers a set-back) we aren't tied in til the summer. Otherwise I agree that it doesn't make much sense just for a month.
  • Best he can get for Saturday, he'll be hoping he comes in, gets fitter and does a solid job.

    It was and is now even more clear Parkinson doesn't rate Moutaouakil as anything more than 2nd choice right back.

    By getting Murty in early, he'll be hoping we'll either extend his loan another months, or make a loan until the end of the season. If not he'll look for another right back before the window closes.
  • Bradley ORR, bags of championship experience, can play right back or center back and is AVAILABLE!!!!!
  • [cite]Posted By: stubs1310[/cite]Bradley ORR, bags of championship experience, can play right back or center back and is AVAILABLE!!!!!

    Not keen on us apparently !
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  • [cite]Posted By: Sailor Browneye[/cite]
    what happens if we get a few results, get some momentum, look more solid at the back and then Coppell recalls him for the Reading promotion push? I personally believe a good loan is a real boost for a cash-strapped club but where we are now, we have to have a steady side until May .

    99% of the time i would agree with that, but i think the steady side thing is irrelevent at the moment. We simply have to put a side out that is going to get results in the next three games (Forest and Palace at home, Sheff W away). After that there are two tricky away games at Burnley and Bristol C, which would both look less daunting if we have wins behind us.

    Our momentum is all about the next couple of games. If it starts to come in 6 weeks - 2 months time, i may well prove too late.
  • TBH I would have thought we had more important needs than a new RB. I dont think that'll help us win many games when our forwards cant score.
  • Bradley Orr is a top notch player and is only on the transfer list due to contract dispute if any one thinks we can afford him then dream on.

    I would love to see him here but those days are gone
  • how long now have we needed a creative midfielder or 2 wingers who can put dangerous balls into the box !!!! we all know this is where we need strengthing has Pards and Parky not been watching the same team we have. this is what we need not bloody left or right backs!! some creativity and flair!!!!!!! i know this is not cheap but its what we need, if you had a hole in the ceiling would you pay for a new window instead of fixing it..
  • Ketman - I don't think you read my post very closely.

    In the very first sentence, I said I had no truck with the 'quality' of the player, assuming he is over his injury. In fact, I am surprised we have got him unless Parky has suggested a player-coach gig somewhere down the line.

    I also, unlike many of here, have no real problems with loans, per say, as long as there is an element of control in the deal. Of course the club that 'owns' the player will always have the bigger say. But if the deal isn't right, then don't do it.

    So, my point is this - we are several points adrift at the bottom of the table. Even if we win three games on the spin, we'll probably even then be neck and neck with the teams around us. But we'd have momentum, we'd be the team in form, we'd have players with belief...

    ..and then Reading and Derby recall our full-back pairing...

    That's my point. Hopefully this is a little clearer. Nothing to do with 'who' we are signing as such.
  • There are more deals going on behind the scene in all probability. The OS is just making the announcements as the deals are signed. OS down at the moment due to an invalid sock!
  • [cite]Posted By: Ketman[/cite]Lower your expectations just a little. We have signed the Club Captain of the most Flambouyant team in the league, think we have done ok on this one.

    and to think we beat them 4-2 this season!
  • edited January 2009
    AFKA - yep, I agree with you. Forest is a major, major must-win so I'm happy for Murty to come in.

    If Parky then replaces him on Feb 2nd when the window closes as he is going back to Reading, then fine, but we cannot afford to see any momentum we DO build up in the next 4-6 weeks undone by key players leaving.

    This is simple - mid March comes and we have to field Moo2 and Youga/Basey at full-back. It could happen. I'm not saying it will but I will watch to see what Parkinson does to protect our weakest positions.

    Yes, and I know there are plenty of weak positions.

    But open-ended loans for a team in the last chance saloon are nerve-wracking...
  • [cite]Posted By: stilladdicted[/cite]OS down at the moment due to an invalid sock!


    Waggys been looking at the porn again....
  • Seen a bit of Murty in years gone by as I live in Berkshire and always thought he was rubbish defensively. Has Moo2 made defensive mistakes this year, I can't remember any? Yet Crainey was done for pace time and again and Murty isn't the quickest. Our defence is unlikely to be sorted by trying yet more new loan players - we need to get them out of the 18 yard box, catching players offside and not inviting teams on to us.
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  • [cite]Posted By: Sailor Browneye[/cite]

    So, my point is this - we are several points adrift at the bottom of the table. Even if we win three games on the spin, we'll probably even then be neck and neck with the teams around us. But we'd have momentum, we'd be the team in form, we'd have players with belief...

    ..and then Reading and Derby recall our full-back pairing...

    That's my point. Hopefully this is a little clearer. Nothing to do with 'who' we are signing as such.

    Even if that was the case tails would be up Moutakill / Basey would be coming back into a confident side, cannot see a real downside to this, well apart from the obvious he gets injured 20 minutes into debut & never plays for us a game scenario :-)
  • That's fine mate, you are entitled to your view. I just think if we manage to get a point ahead of the bottom three with, say, five games to go, and we have Moo2 and Basey coming back on either flank, I'll be resigned to the worst.

    ;-)
  • Sad but have to agree Sailor.
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  • right back is not a position needed to be filled - this is another pony loan signing .

    waste of a signing when we could play moo2 - yeah ok he hasn't shone defensively - waiti until you see this cart horse you;ll be begging for Moo2oo back.
  • [cite]Posted By: Curb_It[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: Ketman[/cite]Lower your expectations just a little. We have signed the Club Captain of the most Flambouyant team in the league, think we have done ok on this one.

    and to think we beat them 4-2 this season!

    Which to me proves it all comes down to management (Pards was up for that one) and confidence - we have the players who can perform on their day.

    But look what has happened to, for example, Weaver, Hudson and Bailey since...
  • 100% correct Weegie. Manager is the most important signing any football club makes. The decision to appoint Parkinson is more baffling than ever.
  • edited January 2009
    a decent wide man and poacher is what we need to buy the rest are good enough or as good as most we are likely to get - if we gave Dickson a decent go we might not even need another striker.
  • [cite]Posted By: Weegie Addick[/cite]Which to me proves it all comes down to management (Pards was up for that one) and confidence - we have the players who can perform on their day.

    I agree, problem is Pardew signed too many players who are good on their day, and potentially good players. Not enough of them are reliable and consistent.

    As for the Reading game, just like Norwich in the first half on Saturday, they pushed high up the pitch.

    Every single time our opponents have done that, we've played well going forward. Though the Reading game was a rare game in which the other team did it for the whole match, and we took our chances.

    With Sam, Bouazza, Shelvey, Varney against Reading, we're good on the counter against teams that push up. We use the space well.

    Soon as we come up against a more defensive team, which is most home games, we struggle to break them down. Sam and Bouazza can't just attack with pace, and the team have to get the crosses and passes a lot more accurate due our opponents crowding us out.

    They then score on the counter, crowd get frustrated and the players feel the pressure. It's happened far too often.
  • Did you apply for the manager's post, Scoham? Shame they overlooked you :-(
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