AA, that will be a tough call to make. I think that nobody in the coaching set up cares more about our club than Kins, I know he is hurting badly. But you're right the current set up just isn't working.
Whatever decision is taken in the next 48 hours or so will be the single most important decision in the history of our club, it could lead to us being dragged into the third tier of English football for the first time in over 25 years.Risking years of obscurity and living in the shadows of our local rivals yet again.
I would personally hate to be the person stuck with making that call. It's easy for us as fans to say what should happen and have an opinion. We are not the people who have invested millions of pounds into the club and face losing it all if we make the wrong decision.
All I know is that you, me, everyone connected with our club hurts.
[cite]Posted By: Leroy Ambrose[/cite]Yep. I've resisted saying it up until now, but we desperately, desperately need a new broom to sweep out all the shite of the old regime. Unless, that is, the board have already conceded that we're going down this year and are trying to save a bit MORE money.
FWIW I don't think anybody wants to manage us. I'd like to see Ince as I think he's the sort of bloke who needs us as much as we need him after getting the pump at Blackburn, but can't see him wanting to tarnish his reputation with a club in a ridiculous amount of trouble so soon after getting the sack from his first 'high-profile' job. We'll end up with a no-mark who gets us a sum total of 15 points for the remainder of the season and has us relegated by Easter
I think any manager coming in would have to understand they won't be judged by the mess we are now in, more how they go about planning for next season be it in Division One or ahem! The Championship. For any aspiring manager it's a great opportunity to restore us to our historical position as Number One in South london.
Oh, I think Di Canio would want to manage Charlton. Mark Robson certainly wants to manage Charlton. And there are many others that would take the chance. Falkirk manager John Hughes is on record that he would relish the challenge. He certainly has the reputation of being a passionate figure, if the decision is to bring in a manager that will really shake things up.
I reckon it should be Ince, he did fantastically well with his first 2 jobs and wasn't afraid to get his hands dirty at lower league level, I think his Blackburn appointment was a promotion too soon in his career but he obviously had to take it. Overall I'm in total agreement with Leroy's post.
There were supposedly some 40 serious candidates a few weeks back....I wonder how many of them would now have second thoughts.............quite a few I imagine.
I don't believe prospective new managers see our position as a 'club in a ridiculous amount of trouble'.
They may just as easily see us a club 5 points adrift of safety, and still to play ALL of the bottom half of the table.
Every game as a 6-pointer, maybe ..... but the time now is approaching New Year, not Easter.
But that man will know he has to get results sooner than later. And that man will relish his opportunity.
And if he didn't, he wouldn't come here - and we wouldn't want him anyway.
Many of us said Parky should have gone with Pardew. Many of us specifically expressed the fear that if we gave him a 'trial' period we could well end up leaving it too late for any new manager to have a chance of turning it round. We were told that we were negative and all we ever did was whinge and criticise.
Well, exactly what many of us feared has now happened. I think it is too late for Davies, Curbs or anyone else to come in and get us out of this one now.
Of course, Parky has to go. That''s simply a question of what is just and proper. But let's not delude ourselves into thinking we're going to replace him with someone who will save us from relegation. With little or no money to spend, I honestly don't think Bill Shankley, Alf Ramsey, Jose Mourinho and Sir Alex rolled up into an all-time managerial superhero could rescue us now.
We've blown it. Maybe if the board had taken decisive action and appointed a manager rather than a caretaker eight games ago, we would still be in this dire predicament. Who knows? But we would at least have given ourselves a fighting chance.
[cite]Posted By: SoundAsa£[/cite]There were supposedly some 40 serious candidates a few weeks back....I wonder how many of them would now have second thoughts.............quite a few I imagine.
If they are currently "between jobs" - not many I would say.......
Paulo would now be my choice. We won`t stay up now anyway. He would give a huge lift to the whole club and put a smile on our faces. He would attract the media and give us needed profile. He knows football in this country and played the game how it should be played.
The slightly bizarre thing is that Ince didn't apply for the Blackburn job, he was headhunted by the Blackburn chairman who thought that the club was in a secure enough position to nuture another UK manager. But the time isn't available for nuturing and the confidence soon went.
There's a saying that the people who dropped you into the sh1t aren't going to be the ones to get you out. BUT, Phil Parkinson left Hull City and their caretaker hasn't done too badly so far.
I have no idea what we should do.
In terms of Curbishley, is it not the case that he is still sorting out the compo with West Ham and taking another job would put a cut in what he could get?
Can't agree that Shankly couldn't save us....for me the greatest football manager ever...with Cloughie(in his not always pissed era), not far behind.
But I digress....they are of course managing up there in heaven one assumes.....or at least we'd like to think so.
I'm coming round on Paulo as well, SHG. My initial view was that the last thing we needed at such a critical time was a lunatic. But I can't see how we can now stay up with no real cash to spend in January - and so perhaps yes, a lunatic is exactly what we do need ; for all the reasons you outline. Especially the one about putting the occassional smile back on our faces.
Even when we were at Selhurst, the resillience in adversity that Lennie L and others instilled made supporting Charlton fun. It sure isn't at the moment.
Has to be shown the door now. Not all parkinsons fault as the players are the ones putting in the dire performances but he is part of the ol managment team and must have had a say in tranfers, tactics ect. Since Pardew left there has been little improvement if any at all. Enough is enough as said earlier, no more nice Charlton, that will see us relegated it has to be a more aggresive team who want to fight for the club.
The board's credibility, as well as its investment, is truly on the line.
Richard Murray announced that the board was giving Phil Parkinson until the end of 2008, and then another strategic review would take place.
Everyone seems to be aware that the board wanted Parky to succeed. Every Addick wanted Parky to succeed, even those that were against his appointment as caretaker, let alone getting the opportunity to make it permanent.
Derek Chappell said at the Bromley supporters' meeting that an improvement in RESULTS, not just in performance, was needed for Parky to keep the job beyond December, 2008.
Eight matches, NO victories. It can not be any clearer than that, can it?
Parkinson was given the opportunity. He was given a timeline. A fair timeline, I might add. It has not worked. He hasn't been able to stop the rot, let alone lead a turnaround.
Now it is up to the board to lead. To take responsibility.
A new manager is needed, and that manager needs to have his own backroom staff. So the new manager gets to make the decision on Mark Kinsella and Phil Chapple, and if Damian Matthews goes back to the Academy.
Di Canio and Mark Robson will surely want the job. It is my opinion that the job requires someone with experience. Particularly experience rolling up their sleeves and getting on with it.
Ince? Davies? Souness? Lennie Lawrence? Curbs? The more I have researched Falkirk's John Hughes, the more I think he could be one to shake things up.
But change is necessary. The board needs to come together, to step up and do the right thing for the present, and the future, of the club. There is still time left, and League 1 is not an option if it can be avoided.
[cite]Posted By: floydandharvey[/cite]We are down anyway, we may as well appoint Parky permanent manager til the end of the season (if only as I'd get £140 from the bookies) then get a new man in to build the club afresh in League One.
Its a bloody tough climb to get out, but we are no where near down. If we were 3 or m ore wins away from safety then you might have a small point but we're two wins off safety. Just because the three above us got points today doesnt mean they will continue that, they havent yet this season thats why they are in the shitter with us.
We haven't won in 16 games and if that should continue much longer, then we're hardly likely to make it easy for ourselves to stay up. But this board is a feeding frenzy of people who are so caught up in the emotional despair of things that they refuse to see there is always a tomorrow.
I think we're all agreed that Parky's tenure is not working. But we've 20 players in the squad who've previously proved themselves at Championship level or higher.
It's not necessarily the ability of the players that's not working.
But it is the mentality of the place that's failing.
These players need to be re-organised and knit into a new unit, that wind of new life that needs to change the stench of defeatism that is rotting the place.
It has to be a new management team or bust.
And that new manager, if appointed soon will see that we're currently 5 points from safety, yet to play ALL the teams in the lower half of the table.
He won't see that Charlton are relegated already. He'd think that ludicrous.
[cite]Posted By: American_Addick[/cite]The board's credibility, as well as its investment, is truly on the line.
Richard Murray announced that the board was giving Phil Parkinson until the
end of 2008, and then another strategic review would take place.
Everyone seems to be aware that the board wanted Parky to succeed. Every
Addick wanted Parky to succeed, even those that were against his appointment as
caretaker, let alone getting the opportunity to make it permanent.
Derek Chappell said at the Bromley supporters' meeting that an improvement in
RESULTS, not just in performance, was needed for Parky to keep the job beyond
December, 2008.
Eight matches, NO victories.
It can not be any clearer than that, can it?
Parkinson was given the opportunity. He was given a timeline. A fair
timeline, I might add.
It has not worked. He hasn't been able to stop the rot, let alone lead a
turnaround.
Now it is up to the board to lead. To take responsibility.
A new manager is needed, and that manager needs to have his own backroom
staff. So the new manager gets to make the decision on Mark Kinsella and Phil
Chapple, and if Damian Matthews goes back to the Academy.
Di Canio and Mark Robson will surely want the job. It is my opinion that the
job requires someone with experience. Particularly experience rolling up their
sleeves and getting on with it.
Ince? Davies? Souness? Lennie Lawrence? Curbs?
The more I have researched Falkirk's John Hughes, the more I think he could
be one to shake things up.
But change is necessary. The board needs to come together, to step up and do
the right thing for the present, and the future, of the club.
There is still time left, and League 1 is not an option if it can be avoided.
What a sensible post, well summed up.
This is not a time to just limply roll over and say,"what's the use, we're relegated already".
But the Board do now need to be decisive. Before it is too late.
Some good points made on here people, personally don't agree with Ince or Di Canio, we need someone with balls, no loyalties to Charlton, but with the desire to take us back and be greater than Curbs. Curbs has been a hard act to follow, we all had such great hopes two years ago. Those hopes are in tatters, I sometimes wonder what would have happened had Dowie stayed for the season (strange thought please don't beat me up over it!) Graham has been out to long, Davies has been in this boat before so could be OK, but fancy he'll go elsewhere, Hughes looks like he could do a job but how much doeshe know about the Champioship. Lets face it, 8 games ago (24 points) any of the mentioned may have got us out of this, but with 20 games to go and in reality a minimum of 10 wins required to stay up who is the best person? Hate to say it, there is only 2 names that I think could pull it off and thats big Sam or Curbs himself. Having said that, 8 games ago I would have pumped for Huges, looks bright, done wonders with Falkirk and could have brought some talented Scots down to us.
I would really like to know what pecentage of Charlton fans would prefer PP to be replaced ? I suspect you are talking about upwards of 80% which would I think be an unprecedented and certainly untenable situation. Interesting times ahead I think.
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Whatever decision is taken in the next 48 hours or so will be the single most important decision in the history of our club, it could lead to us being dragged into the third tier of English football for the first time in over 25 years.Risking years of obscurity and living in the shadows of our local rivals yet again.
I would personally hate to be the person stuck with making that call. It's easy for us as fans to say what should happen and have an opinion. We are not the people who have invested millions of pounds into the club and face losing it all if we make the wrong decision.
All I know is that you, me, everyone connected with our club hurts.
I think any manager coming in would have to understand they won't be judged by the mess we are now in, more how they go about planning for next season be it in Division One or ahem! The Championship. For any aspiring manager it's a great opportunity to restore us to our historical position as Number One in South london.
Mark Robson certainly wants to manage Charlton.
And there are many others that would take the chance.
Falkirk manager John Hughes is on record that he would relish the challenge. He certainly has the reputation of being a passionate figure, if the decision is to bring in a manager that will really shake things up.
Overall I'm in total agreement with Leroy's post.
Yep but plenty of clubs have been here before - Forest, Leeds, Leicester spring to mind....
They may just as easily see us a club 5 points adrift of safety, and still to play ALL of the bottom half of the table.
Every game as a 6-pointer, maybe ..... but the time now is approaching New Year, not Easter.
But that man will know he has to get results sooner than later. And that man will relish his opportunity.
And if he didn't, he wouldn't come here - and we wouldn't want him anyway.
Well, exactly what many of us feared has now happened. I think it is too late for Davies, Curbs or anyone else to come in and get us out of this one now.
Of course, Parky has to go. That''s simply a question of what is just and proper. But let's not delude ourselves into thinking we're going to replace him with someone who will save us from relegation. With little or no money to spend, I honestly don't think Bill Shankley, Alf Ramsey, Jose Mourinho and Sir Alex rolled up into an all-time managerial superhero could rescue us now.
We've blown it. Maybe if the board had taken decisive action and appointed a manager rather than a caretaker eight games ago, we would still be in this dire predicament. Who knows? But we would at least have given ourselves a fighting chance.
If they are currently "between jobs" - not many I would say.......
There's a saying that the people who dropped you into the sh1t aren't going to be the ones to get you out. BUT, Phil Parkinson left Hull City and their caretaker hasn't done too badly so far.
I have no idea what we should do.
In terms of Curbishley, is it not the case that he is still sorting out the compo with West Ham and taking another job would put a cut in what he could get?
But I digress....they are of course managing up there in heaven one assumes.....or at least we'd like to think so.
Even when we were at Selhurst, the resillience in adversity that Lennie L and others instilled made supporting Charlton fun. It sure isn't at the moment.
Richard Murray announced that the board was giving Phil Parkinson until the
end of 2008, and then another strategic review would take place.
Everyone seems to be aware that the board wanted Parky to succeed. Every
Addick wanted Parky to succeed, even those that were against his appointment as
caretaker, let alone getting the opportunity to make it permanent.
Derek Chappell said at the Bromley supporters' meeting that an improvement in
RESULTS, not just in performance, was needed for Parky to keep the job beyond
December, 2008.
Eight matches, NO victories.
It can not be any clearer than that, can it?
Parkinson was given the opportunity. He was given a timeline. A fair
timeline, I might add.
It has not worked. He hasn't been able to stop the rot, let alone lead a
turnaround.
Now it is up to the board to lead. To take responsibility.
A new manager is needed, and that manager needs to have his own backroom
staff. So the new manager gets to make the decision on Mark Kinsella and Phil
Chapple, and if Damian Matthews goes back to the Academy.
Di Canio and Mark Robson will surely want the job. It is my opinion that the
job requires someone with experience. Particularly experience rolling up their
sleeves and getting on with it.
Ince? Davies? Souness? Lennie Lawrence? Curbs?
The more I have researched Falkirk's John Hughes, the more I think he could
be one to shake things up.
But change is necessary. The board needs to come together, to step up and do
the right thing for the present, and the future, of the club.
There is still time left, and League 1 is not an option if it can be avoided.
Its a bloody tough climb to get out, but we are no where near down. If we were 3 or m ore wins away from safety then you might have a small point but we're two wins off safety. Just because the three above us got points today doesnt mean they will continue that, they havent yet this season thats why they are in the shitter with us.
Okay, I don't know any more than the next man.
We haven't won in 16 games and if that should continue much longer, then we're hardly likely to make it easy for ourselves to stay up. But this board is a feeding frenzy of people who are so caught up in the emotional despair of things that they refuse to see there is always a tomorrow.
I think we're all agreed that Parky's tenure is not working. But we've 20 players in the squad who've previously proved themselves at Championship level or higher.
It's not necessarily the ability of the players that's not working.
But it is the mentality of the place that's failing.
These players need to be re-organised and knit into a new unit, that wind of new life that needs to change the stench of defeatism that is rotting the place.
It has to be a new management team or bust.
And that new manager, if appointed soon will see that we're currently 5 points from safety, yet to play ALL the teams in the lower half of the table.
He won't see that Charlton are relegated already. He'd think that ludicrous.
What a sensible post, well summed up.
This is not a time to just limply roll over and say,"what's the use, we're relegated already".
But the Board do now need to be decisive. Before it is too late.
PDC.