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Are our players really any good anyway?

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  • 01 Weaver - has got Premiership and Championship experience he was here with MAN CITY and us
    02 Moutaouakil - Has championship experience with us last year and is now in his second season....
    29 Cranie - God knows is not good enough too but plays every week.
    06 Hudson - Lots of Championship experience would be suprised if he never played in the Prem
    26 Basey - Our product - Played in the championship last year
    18 Sam - Our product - Played in the championship last year
    04 Bailey - Championship last year was he not = player of the year at relegated Southend
    15 Wright - Our product
    11 Ambrose - Lots of championship and premiership experience who is never played in his favoured position
    12 Varney - no Premiership or Championship experience, expensive signing from Crewe - Agreed AP what are your thoughts?
    09 Gray - Played in the Premiership for Sunderland and maybe Watford? got lots of Championship experience, expensive signing from Burnley

    Substitutes
    Elliot - no Premiership or Championship experience, youth player
    Todorov - Premiership experience, a bit past it (same can be said for Holland) - and top scorer in the championship for Portsmouth
    Dickson - no League experience - What about gillingham no CC experience
    Semedo - no Premiership or Championship experience What about last season
    Bouazza - Premiership and Championship experience
  • It is not about the players at this point they have no clue and no clue what is going on because offffff.......
  • For me Reading are by a country mile the best team in this division and we didn't just beat them we took them apart - so in a nutshell, yes our players are good enough. The problem is the manager and coaches (as stated on about every other thread on here), as they are unable to cope when something goes wrong and players need re-motivating. The current poor performances all stem from a lack of leadership and confidence, nobody wants to take charge and nobody looks like they want the ball. Managers and coaches have to identify that and eliminate it from their team. Pards has shown this is his achilles heal when it comes to management. West Ham were going well, then after a couple of bad results they plummeted to the bottom of the Prem and their chairman couldn't get rid of him quick enough.

    Sorry to use the C word, but Curbs used to be able to grind a result out when the team had suffered a bad defeat the game before. Might not have been pretty be it stopped the rot.
  • edited November 2008
    02 Moutaouakil - no Premiership or Championship experience, came from where?
    France U21 captain!

    29 Cranie - some Premiership experience, how much?
    Loan

    18 Sam - no Premiership or Championship experience, youth player -
    played premiership actually

    11 Ambrose - Premiership experience but was always crap anyway -
    Not really or he wouldnt have been in prem or championship

    Dickson - no League experience -
    loans to gils and crew?
  • [cite]Posted By: LargeAddick[/cite]I didn't really see any Barnsley players who were actually better than ours but what I did see were tactics, a game plan, a togetherness in the team and spirit.

    And a desire to work hard.

    The key qualities needed in this division.
  • [cite]Posted By: nth london addick[/cite]how many do we waste though even ones in our own half when we just need to get the ball 4wd bunch of bstds

    Thats what I was saying. We waste most of them, yet its the only way we score.
  • edited November 2008
    [cite]Posted By: PeakieRocket[/cite]For me Reading are by a country mile the best team in this division and we didn't just beat them we took them apart - so in a nutshell, yes our players are good enough. The problem is the manager and coaches (as stated on about every other thread on here), as they are unable to cope when something goes wrong and players need re-motivating. The current poor performances all stem from a lack of leadership and confidence, nobody wants to take charge and nobody looks like they want the ball. Managers and coaches have to identify that and eliminate it from their team. Pards has shown this is his achilles heal when it comes to management. West Ham were going well, then after a couple of bad results they plummeted to the bottom of the Prem and their chairman couldn't get rid of him quick enough.

    Sorry to use the C word, but Curbs used to be able to grind a result out when the team had suffered a bad defeat the game before. Might not have been pretty be it stopped the rot.

    Difference with the Reading game is we got space and time on the ball, and Reading pushed up.

    Most, if not all our good home performances in the last year or so have been like this. Look at the Swansea game, we didn't play that well, but they were a team that tried to play good football, more than a team that close down and 'get stuck in'.

    Every team knows how to play against us now - don't give us time on the ball and we struggle going forward. Sam, Ambrose, Varney, Zheng, Yassin, Youga, Todorov etc etc all like a bit of time to pass the ball around and run into space.

    Soon as we come up against a team that puts 11 men behind the ball and plays deep, we have no idea how to break them down. Once we go 1-0 down they do this even more if they aren't already doing it, and our heads drop.

    Agree about Curbs, if we went on a bad run he always sorted it out in the end.
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