Before major recriminations against Pardew get really out of hand on here (and counting myself in that) I'd like us to discuss really if we have the players to be anywhere near the play-offs (which I think is our expectation) and also to consider the money we've paid and received for players. How much better should we really be doing? More to the point, if we made a similar list for the other teams in our league would they really look much worse than us on paper?
Today's team (please fill in the gaps and/or add more):
01 Weaver - has got Premiership experience
02 Moutaouakil - no Premiership or Championship experience, came from where?_____________________
29 Cranie - some Premiership experience, how much? _____________________
06 Hudson - no Rremiership experience, free signing from Palace
26 Basey - no Premiership or Championship experience, youth player
18 Sam - no Premiership or Championship experience, youth player
04 Bailey - no Premiership or Championship experience, cheap (how much?) _________________, signing from Southend
15 Wright - no Premiership or Championship experience, youth player
11 Ambrose - Premiership experience but was always crap anyway
12 Varney - no Premiership or Championship experience, expensive signing from Crewe
09 Gray - no Premiership experience, got lots of Championship experience, expensive signing from Burnley
Substitutes
Elliot - no Premiership or Championship experience, youth player
Todorov - Premiership experience, a bit past it (same can be said for Holland)
Dickson - no League experience
Semedo - no Premiership or Championship experience
Bouazza - Premiership and Championship experience
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It's down to a bit of muscle and a lot of bottle. We have neither.
But that's just my point. I often see people on here making such statements but how can that be claimed? Who do with have exactly who's ever proved themselves.
The only defense of your claim as I see it is the performance against Reading, in which many of them looked brilliant. However most sets of players can be brilliant for one game which is how there have been so many cup upsets.
But, what I do expect, is a team with at least half of the experienced players that we have in it, to be, at the very least, mid table in this division.
The fact that we aren't clearly lies with the manager and no one else.
Seems a bit contradictory. If you don't have an objective look at other clubs' teams how can you say whereabouts we should expect to finsish?
how semedo, Holland and Toddy were not playing at all is amazing me from the reports from folks at Ipswich they were the only 3 wwho came away with credit yet none of them got a nsiff today what must they be thinking
Muscle is quantifiable if you look at players' body-mass index. However I think you're using the word in an abstart sense. Likewise with 'bottle'
As for Premier league experience: we don't have much anyway - look at my list above - 3 in the starting line-up and one of them's a loanee.
But look at the team line-up above. What experience?
I was at Ipswich and I don't think any of the players can come away with much credit at all. They were all poor. But are they poor because of bad management?
I question many of Pardew's decisions. I think playing 3 left backs in 2 games is stupid. I think that swapping players natural positions is stupid. I think that Samedo should be playing every game.
But will sacking the manager help? It could make it worse. Assessing our players will help us decide.
our players are not as poor as the performances this season are showing it is soley due to piss poor mgmt
I think that therein lies the problem. I think that individually we have the ability they just aren't playing as a team.
Player for player I'd say that we are are not a bottom 3 side but as a team we just aren't performing.
OK, so if we accept your argument, we now need to go to the other thread entitled 'I want Curbs back'
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Good point. He's gone for too many players without Championship experience.
Granted. On second look at the team lin-up, it doesn't appear to be a very experienced side.
But, that then goes back to my final point, that AP is to blame for our position. From that there is only 1 outcome. He has to walk.
"I think since Christmas we were never out of top three in the whole of the Championship for fitness stats. The type of variables we look at include distance covered, high intensity distance covered, number of sprints covered.
"Obviously we want to make sure the players staying here keep that standard and improve. And if we do acquire any new players they come in and know the work ethic that's expected and the standard."
This a quote from Performance Manager Niall Clark, official club website, 19th May 2008.
So I guess we're not pants because of fitness...
the pro zone facts on Pardew are as follows
Tactics lowest in chumpionship
Knowledge lowest in chumpionship
skill lowest in chumpionship
Smugness and arrogance 1 behind warnock but top 2 of chumpionship
We have tactics, could of fooled me.
Yet we only look like scoring from a set piece...