"It will take a lot of passion, commitment and a lot of good play to go and get something from our game at Charlton. They always start well, but then the crowd can get on top of them if they don't score in the opening 20 minutes."
What a sad way to be portrayed to the wider footballing community. We used to always say the same thing about Millwall when things weren't going well, and now it seems we are no better.
We have been rubbish through large chunks of our history. Why now has the fabric and strength of our 'support' changed so much ??
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The moans and groans never take as long as 20 mins to start. Even in those games this season where we have taken an early lead. Really effs me off!
It's pathetic, really is.
There away support is pretty good, at WHL it's not all that and gets on the sides back quicker then we do, likewise I didn't hear too many boos from the support at Cardiff on Saturday
I didn't think there was anything wrong with it at Selhurst, watching what was the poorest performance I've seen in a long, long time.
Have only been to Reading at home this season as can't do Saturday 3pm's so looking forward to the game tonight and hoping that both the team and the crowd confound the doubters
aw ! I was gonna SAY that !
Whats a "Chunt at games?".
I dunno, I dont think the crowd means anything to the players we have down there at this moment in time, not ilke it used to, there is no bond ala Robbo, Kins, Hunt, Youds, Deano.
I honestly think the best argument to turn this around would be to open the Jimmy Seed to home supporters, until this does happen then the atmosphere will NEVER improve or get back to they way it was7/8 years ago no matter how good we become as the ground will be full of plastics. IMO
Not just us, but football in General, but, as our core support is low (see away attendances), there ARE more plastics, therefore we are one of the worst for it.
SING UP!
AND SING UP EVEN IF WE GO 1-0 DOWN!!!
Plus no player rapport anymore /songs about players/ favourites who give their all etc definitely increases the divide.
PLUS!! The bloody Jimmy Seed being much louder, and full of away fans up for it.
Put all that together and that's kind of what we have.
Just to clarify on Kinveachy's point 'people seem to get off by criticising our support which is a shame' - I know where you're coming from fella, and sometimes feel the same. But that's certainly not my intention.
To be honest, i've always been just as interested in the singing, atmosphere, crowd interaction, than i am the standard of the football, or even the result. Probably more so to be honest. I go to games primarily to have a laugh, meet mates and have a good old sing song. What's happening on the pitch rarely completely influences that. I was never really bothered whether a player is earning 5k a week or 5 quid, and i'm not that bothered now.
There appeared years ago that a lot of folk held similar values. Now, most people seem to be so into 'the result' that its the be all or end all of their enjoyment, and impacts completely on whether they get behind the side or not.
I'm as disappointed and frustrated as everyone on here with the current situation, and last few years. But i also know i'll be there tonight trying to do my bit to encourage the team on, not get on its back, regardless of what is happening on the pitch.
From Mick McCarthy (kind of relevant):
The Wolves boss is delighted by the attitude of the overwhelming majority of the club's fans, but insists he would be happy if those who booed Keogh, who was playing in an unfamiliar left-sided position against Coventry, never came back to Molineux.
"Our fans have been fantastic this year, but anyone who turns up to boo my players... don't turn up," McCarthy told Wolves World.
He continued: "I understand frustrations. My frustrations are there as well. But don't boo your own players. It's barmy. It's not helping.
Don't we have enough problems without fans taking any random quote as an oppertunity to dig each other out?
This is rubbish I'm afraid. You can't dismiss our home support, bar the core 4 or 500 who regularly go away as "plastics". Many of the biggest whingers around me at the Valley have been fans for donkey's years.
If you wanted to hear moaning, you should have heard the moaners in the 1960's & 70's . "Glicksten out", almost every game, "sack the board". "I never coming back to watch this bloody rubbish again" and many others. This had hugely to do with our fall from the top flight and the gradual decline of the club. People remember the good times and it colours their entire experience when things aren't going well. The same is the case now. The fact is that most fans don't deal with a perceived lack of success well and some cannot hide their disappointment. I don't think it's just a Tottenham thing either, they just have a huge chip on their shoulder about Arsenal which makes it worse for them.
Personally I hate people slagging off the players/manager and booing the team but those who don't, need to stand up (metaphorically) and be counted and we can drown out the nay sayers.
Oh contrare rodney oh contrare
...I wonder if we could have this on the jumbo-tastic plasmatron screen throughout the match?
Be lovely to see Varney race over and point to it just after he's scissor-kicked us into a 3-0 lead!
I'm being serious though. Forget all the 'Fiiiissshhh' stuff. Let's use this as a motivational tool for the fans.
This instance by the media that the result of every game is life or death and the continuing divide between the fans and the players leads to fans going to game thinking that a win must be delivered and quickly, and that those over-paid primadonnas should be capable of doing it in the first 10 minutes (how many times do you hear commentators say the first 10-20 is vital, the more simple minded fans thinks that means we should be winning and playing the oppo off the pitch within that timescale)
I'm thinking of starting a chant of "we only sing when we're winning" tonight, think it will go down as well as at wemberly when the boo boys started on cole!!
I'll think you'll find that the Spurs fans get 110% behind their team during the game.
They'll only boo at the Half Time and Full Time whistle's as and when needed (more so this season than any other!)
By all means, feel free to slag our team but you cant fault our support.
Spurs support for their team during games has been amazing this season - Wigan at home springs to mind as does Sunday when they packed their end and made plenty of noise.
I think I'm correct in stating that last season they sold their full allocation at every away game - more than either Arsenal or Chelsea did. Only Man U, Liverpool and possibly Newcastle do that...
That makes their current posistion all the funnier to me.
I'm not dismissing everyone bar people that go away (some of which are just as bad), far from it. But I do think there is a sizeable element at the valley who, if they don't get instant gratification, seem to be completely, well, it comes across to me like they're a bit like 'glory boys', but then again, why would they still be here.
I think you raise a good point though, Bing, I haven't been through this before, as we've been shite>>>>better>>>>good and now falling apart while I've been a supporter, so I haven't really seen things tumble down quite this way before.
It certainly makes me somewhat philosphical. I think that it's very hard to characterise support one way or another. I sit in the East, people round me sing VFR and other things. On the other hand the "bloke behind" me moans his a*se off and alot of people are quiet - that sums up fans to me, a cross section. I think that most fans, even those relatively recent joiners have a deep seated worry that every thing is going to go tits up, consequently when it starts to, there is a kind of audible collective groan.