I'd guess that similar things are said by managers all the time.
The only difference here is that at most clubs the press don't want to upset the boss as it will mean they lose access and inside info. So when they get sworn at they bite their lip and don't put it in the paper the next week as most fans will side with the boss.
At Newcastle they feel that they can afford to upset Kinnear as he is going to leave soon anyway.
They then run the story (which is really no story at all) as it feeds it to their agenda of crisis club, poor choice of manager, bring back Keegan.
there is a big difference in giving it back to the press, that is fine and they deserve it, but you don't need to swear your way through a Press conference to do it. If you think that is acceptable then fine, but I don't.
Alec Ferguson doesn't get treated like most other managers because these hacks know they'll get it. Time for these managers to fight back and rightly so
[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]Why have him sacked.
I'd guess that similar things are said by managers all the time.
The only difference here is that at most clubs the press don't want to upset the boss as it will mean they lose access and inside info. So when they get sworn at they bite their lip and don't put it in the paper the next week as most fans will side with the boss.
At Newcastle they feel that they can afford to upset Kinnear as he is going to leave soon anyway.
They then run the story (which is really no story at all) as it feeds it to their agenda of crisis club, poor choice of manager, bring back Keegan.
I agree that I'm sure that most managers use the odd expletive during a press conference, especailly when facing a hostile question, but that rant is way, way over the top.
I agree with DA9 and NLA, journo's are the pond life of this earth, they are lazy, bitter lying mugs!! I hate and detest all forms of journalism! Dont buy papers, watch news broadcasts or equivalent websites!! Someone one day was going to go off at these scumbags, hats off to Kinnear for being that man.
I would put journo's up there with likes of 'crystal palarse, Egypt, Paris, walking more than 500 yards, vegitarians get over yourself (sorry if there any on here!) chocolate, god!!, homework in no particular order.
[cite]Posted By: Ledge[/cite]it wasn't a press confernece though large.
It was a behind closed doors meeting .
are you sure ? I thought it was the normal Thursday pre-match press get together. There were numerous journos there and the fact the Press officer was in attendance and tried to intervene so that the comments were off the record tends to suggest it was.
[cite]Posted By: LargeAddick[/cite]there is a big difference in giving it back to the press, that is fine and they deserve it, but you don't need to swear your way through a Press conference to do it. If you think that is acceptable then fine, but I don't.
What has Roy Keane got to do with it ??
Just an example of how I believe the press should be treated if they deserve it, he's the finest exponent (sic) of it currenlty IMO
As Henry stated, they all have agendas, and I feel its refreshing to have honest answers and real feeling (ok, swearing may be to much for some, not for me)
[cite]Posted By: MCS[/cite]I agree with DA9 and NLA, journo's are the pond life of this earth, they are lazy, bitter lying mugs!! I hate and detest all forms of journalism! Dont buy papers, watch news broadcasts or equivalent websites!! Someone one day was going to go off at these scumbags, hats off to Kinnear for being that man.
I would put journo's up there with likes of 'crystal palarse, Egypt, Paris, walking more than 500 yards, vegitarians get over yourself (sorry if there any on here!) chocolate, god!!, homework in no particular order.
[cite]Posted By: MCS[/cite]I agree with DA9 and NLA, journo's are the pond life of this earth, they are lazy, bitter lying mugs!! I hate and detest all forms of journalism! Dont buy papers, watch news broadcasts or equivalent websites!! Someone one day was going to go off at these scumbags, hats off to Kinnear for being that man.
I would put journo's up there with likes of 'crystal palarse, Egypt, Paris, walking more than 500 yards, vegitarians get over yourself (sorry if there any on here!) chocolate, god!!, homework in no particular order.
rant over
The boy and girls in our press team are OK.
gord blimey, you must get splinters sitting on that fence..lol
Warning: The following content may offend some viewers
Kinnear: Which one is Simon Bird?
Bird: Me.
JK: You're a ****.
Bird: Thank you.
JK: Which one is **** *******? You are out of order. Absolutely f****** out of order. If you do it again, I am telling you you can f*** off and go to another ground. I will not come and stand for that f****** crap. No f****** way, lies. F***, you're saying I turned up and they f***** off.
Bird: No Joe, have you read it, it doesn't actually say that. Have you read it?
JK: I've f****** read it, I've read it.
Bird: It doesn't say that. Have you read it?
JK: You are trying to f****** undermine my position already.
Bird: Have you read it, it doesn't say that. I knew you knew they were having a day off.
JK: F*** off. F*** off. It's your last f****** chance.
Bird: You read the copy? It doesn't say that you didn't know.
JK: What about the headline, you think that's a good headline?
Bird: I didn't write the headline, you read the copy.
JK: You are negative b*******.
Bird: So if I get a new job next week would I take the first day off? No I wouldn't. If I get a new job should I call my boss and tell him I am taking the first day off?
JK: It is none of your f****** business. What the f*** are you going to do? You ain't got the balls to be a f****** manager. F****** day off. Do I want your opinion. Do I have to listen to you?
Bird: No, you can listen to who you want.
JK: I had a 24 hour meeting with the entire staff.
Bird: Joe you are only here six weeks, you could have done that on Sunday, or Saturday night.
JK: No, no, no. I didn't want to do it. I had some other things to do.
Bird: What? More important things?
JK: What are you? My personal secretary? F*** off.
Bird: You could have done the meeting Saturday night or Sunday? You could have had them watching videos, you could have organised them?
JK: I was meeting the f****** chairman the owner, everyone else. Talking about things.
Bird: It is a valid point that was made in there. A valid point.
JK: I can't trust any of you.
Journalist: Joe no-one could believe that on your first day at your new club, the first team players were not in. No one could believe it in town. Your first day in the office.
JK: My first day was with the coaches. I made the decision that I wanted to get as much information out of them.
Journalist: But why Monday, no one could believe it?
JK: I'm not going to tell you anything. I don't understand where you are coming from. You delighted that Newcastle are getting beat and are in the state they are? Delighted are you?
Journalist: Certainly not. No one wants to see them get beaten, why would we?
JK: I have done it before. It is going to my f****** lawyers. So are about three others. If they can find something in it that is a court case it is going to court. I am not f****** about. I don't talk to f****** anybody. Everything I f****** say or do. It is raking up stories. You are f****** so f****** slimy you're are raking up players that I got rid of. Players that I had fallen out with. You are not asking Robbie Earle, because he is sensible. You are not asking Warren Barton? No. Because he is f****** sensible. Anyone who had played for me for 10 years at any level you will find some **** that...
Journalist: How long is your contract for Joe?
JK: None of your business.
Bird: Well it is actually, because we cover the club. The club say you are here to the end of October, then you say 6-8 games which would take it to the end of November. We are trying to clarify these issues. We are getting no straight answers from anyone. How long are you here for. It is a dead simple question. And you don't know...
JK: I was told the length of contract. Then I was told that possibly the club could be sold in that time. That is as far as I know. That's it finished. I don't know anything else. But I have been ridiculed. He's trying to f****** hide, he's trying to do this or that.
Journalist: What happened at your meeting with Ashley?
JK: At the meeting I was asked how did it go, what reception, this that and the other. I told him not too clever. He wanted to know how the team done. I told him. Better second half than we were first half. I asked him what is the situation. Any news or updates on what is going one. He said I have six to eight consortium lined up and that is all I can tell you. That was it.
Journalist: Have you met Mike before?
JK: No?
Journalist: Not even at the Orange Tree pub Totteridge?
JK: You want to get your facts right. Dennis Wise never played under me.
Journalist: None of us have even written that...
JK: Another one you wrote. We met in a pub. We are friends in a pub and that is when it was done, in a pub. Good imagination eh? It is nonsense.
Journalist: We are all grown men and can come in here and sit around and talk about football, but coming in here and calling people *****?
JK: Why? Because I am annoyed. I am not accepting that.
Press officer: What has been said in here is off the record and doesn't go outside.
Journalist: Well is that what Joe thinks?
JK: Write what you like. Makes no difference to me. Don't effect me I assure you. It'll be the last time I see you anyway. Won't effect me. See how we go at Everton and Chrissy can do it, someone else can do it. Don't trust any of you's. I will pick two local papers and speak to them and the rest can f*** off. I ain't coming up here to have the **** taken out of me. I have a million pages of **** that has been written about me. I am ridiculed for no reason. I am defenseless. I can't say nothing. I can't do nothing. Then half of you are trying to get into the players... and I am not going to tell you what the players think of you all. So you will think I have a split camp. It just doesn't stop.
Journalist: But it's only been a week!
JK: Exactly. It already feels like it has been a year.
Journalist: It's early days for you to be like this.
JK: This is the last time I'm going to speak to you. You want to know why, I'm telling you. This is the last time. You can do what you like.
Journalist: But this isn't going to do you or us any good.
JK: I'll speak to the supporters. I'm going to tell them what the story is. I'm going to tell them."
The language is way OTT and undermines his case somewhat but hats off to him for his stance. Smug, arrogant, know-nothing pondlife most of these journos.
Mind you, should Joe (and the rest of us) expect any different from the gutter press? Think not.
Good on him, there was a vile report in the Guardian that basically implied he was to blame for the plight of Wimbledon, Luton, Forest and bizarrely Spurs. They dress like tramps, write like retards and offer no insight into the game. I'm all for them being treated with utter contempt.
It is nice to know my profession is held in such high regard : )
Seriously though, I can understand what Kinnear is getting at because the Newcastle job is a poisoned chalice and there are lots of people up there with agendas.
[cite]Posted By: News Shopper[/cite]It is nice to know my profession is held in such high regard : )
Seriously though, I can understand what Kinnear is getting at because the Newcastle job is a poisoned chalice and there are lots of people up there with agendas.
Would you say there is a major difference in local journalism and the sensationalist journalism of the nationals?
Is it something the likes of yourself would aspire too...ie, go and work for one of the buggers?
DA9 I've been doing this for five years now and I think in the first two I would have been keen on going down the whole national toot but I have since changed my mind and prefer working local because I'm from here.
I did have an interview a few years ago with the Sun and was asked what I thought of their paper. My honest reply was: "I don't like it and I don't read it."
[cite]Posted By: News Shopper[/cite]DA9 I've been doing this for five years now and I think in the first two I would have been keen on going down the whole national toot but I have since changed my mind and prefer working local because I'm from here.
I did have an interview a few years ago with the Sun and was asked what I thought of their paper. My honest reply was: "I don't like it and I don't read it."
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fecking quality honest Joe thats what you need
The journos are proper on the back foot - hilarious.
Why?
At least he speaks from the heart (no pun intended), and about time journo's got it back with knobs on IMO
I detest every inch of Roy Keane but I admire his stance with the press.
I'd guess that similar things are said by managers all the time.
The only difference here is that at most clubs the press don't want to upset the boss as it will mean they lose access and inside info. So when they get sworn at they bite their lip and don't put it in the paper the next week as most fans will side with the boss.
At Newcastle they feel that they can afford to upset Kinnear as he is going to leave soon anyway.
They then run the story (which is really no story at all) as it feeds it to their agenda of crisis club, poor choice of manager, bring back Keegan.
What has Roy Keane got to do with it ??
It was a behind closed doors meeting .
It was great.
Alec Ferguson doesn't get treated like most other managers because these hacks know they'll get it. Time for these managers to fight back and rightly so
I agree that I'm sure that most managers use the odd expletive during a press conference, especailly when facing a hostile question, but that rant is way, way over the top.
I would put journo's up there with likes of 'crystal palarse, Egypt, Paris, walking more than 500 yards, vegitarians get over yourself (sorry if there any on here!) chocolate, god!!, homework in no particular order.
rant over
are you sure ? I thought it was the normal Thursday pre-match press get together. There were numerous journos there and the fact the Press officer was in attendance and tried to intervene so that the comments were off the record tends to suggest it was.
Just an example of how I believe the press should be treated if they deserve it, he's the finest exponent (sic) of it currenlty IMO
As Henry stated, they all have agendas, and I feel its refreshing to have honest answers and real feeling (ok, swearing may be to much for some, not for me)
The boy and girls in our press team are OK.
gord blimey, you must get splinters sitting on that fence..lol
Warning: The following content may offend some viewers
Kinnear: Which one is Simon Bird?
Bird: Me.
JK: You're a ****.
Bird: Thank you.
JK: Which one is **** *******? You are out of order. Absolutely f****** out of order. If you do it again, I am telling you you can f*** off and go to another ground. I will not come and stand for that f****** crap. No f****** way, lies. F***, you're saying I turned up and they f***** off.
Bird: No Joe, have you read it, it doesn't actually say that. Have you read it?
JK: I've f****** read it, I've read it.
Bird: It doesn't say that. Have you read it?
JK: You are trying to f****** undermine my position already.
Bird: Have you read it, it doesn't say that. I knew you knew they were having a day off.
JK: F*** off. F*** off. It's your last f****** chance.
Bird: You read the copy? It doesn't say that you didn't know.
JK: What about the headline, you think that's a good headline?
Bird: I didn't write the headline, you read the copy.
JK: You are negative b*******.
Bird: So if I get a new job next week would I take the first day off? No I wouldn't. If I get a new job should I call my boss and tell him I am taking the first day off?
JK: It is none of your f****** business. What the f*** are you going to do? You ain't got the balls to be a f****** manager. F****** day off. Do I want your opinion. Do I have to listen to you?
Bird: No, you can listen to who you want.
JK: I had a 24 hour meeting with the entire staff.
Bird: Joe you are only here six weeks, you could have done that on Sunday, or Saturday night.
JK: No, no, no. I didn't want to do it. I had some other things to do.
Bird: What? More important things?
JK: What are you? My personal secretary? F*** off.
Bird: You could have done the meeting Saturday night or Sunday? You could have had them watching videos, you could have organised them?
JK: I was meeting the f****** chairman the owner, everyone else. Talking about things.
Bird: It is a valid point that was made in there. A valid point.
JK: I can't trust any of you.
Journalist: Joe no-one could believe that on your first day at your new club, the first team players were not in. No one could believe it in town. Your first day in the office.
JK: My first day was with the coaches. I made the decision that I wanted to get as much information out of them.
Journalist: But why Monday, no one could believe it?
JK: I'm not going to tell you anything. I don't understand where you are coming from. You delighted that Newcastle are getting beat and are in the state they are? Delighted are you?
Journalist: Certainly not. No one wants to see them get beaten, why would we?
JK: I have done it before. It is going to my f****** lawyers. So are about three others. If they can find something in it that is a court case it is going to court. I am not f****** about. I don't talk to f****** anybody. Everything I f****** say or do. It is raking up stories. You are f****** so f****** slimy you're are raking up players that I got rid of. Players that I had fallen out with. You are not asking Robbie Earle, because he is sensible. You are not asking Warren Barton? No. Because he is f****** sensible. Anyone who had played for me for 10 years at any level you will find some **** that...
Journalist: How long is your contract for Joe?
JK: None of your business.
Bird: Well it is actually, because we cover the club. The club say you are here to the end of October, then you say 6-8 games which would take it to the end of November. We are trying to clarify these issues. We are getting no straight answers from anyone. How long are you here for. It is a dead simple question. And you don't know...
JK: I was told the length of contract. Then I was told that possibly the club could be sold in that time. That is as far as I know. That's it finished. I don't know anything else. But I have been ridiculed. He's trying to f****** hide, he's trying to do this or that.
Journalist: What happened at your meeting with Ashley?
JK: At the meeting I was asked how did it go, what reception, this that and the other. I told him not too clever. He wanted to know how the team done. I told him. Better second half than we were first half. I asked him what is the situation. Any news or updates on what is going one. He said I have six to eight consortium lined up and that is all I can tell you. That was it.
Journalist: Have you met Mike before?
JK: No?
Journalist: Not even at the Orange Tree pub Totteridge?
JK: You want to get your facts right. Dennis Wise never played under me.
Journalist: None of us have even written that...
JK: Another one you wrote. We met in a pub. We are friends in a pub and that is when it was done, in a pub. Good imagination eh? It is nonsense.
Journalist: We are all grown men and can come in here and sit around and talk about football, but coming in here and calling people *****?
JK: Why? Because I am annoyed. I am not accepting that.
Press officer: What has been said in here is off the record and doesn't go outside.
Journalist: Well is that what Joe thinks?
JK: Write what you like. Makes no difference to me. Don't effect me I assure you. It'll be the last time I see you anyway. Won't effect me. See how we go at Everton and Chrissy can do it, someone else can do it. Don't trust any of you's. I will pick two local papers and speak to them and the rest can f*** off. I ain't coming up here to have the **** taken out of me. I have a million pages of **** that has been written about me. I am ridiculed for no reason. I am defenseless. I can't say nothing. I can't do nothing. Then half of you are trying to get into the players... and I am not going to tell you what the players think of you all. So you will think I have a split camp. It just doesn't stop.
Journalist: But it's only been a week!
JK: Exactly. It already feels like it has been a year.
Journalist: It's early days for you to be like this.
JK: This is the last time I'm going to speak to you. You want to know why, I'm telling you. This is the last time. You can do what you like.
Journalist: But this isn't going to do you or us any good.
JK: I'll speak to the supporters. I'm going to tell them what the story is. I'm going to tell them."
Mind you, should Joe (and the rest of us) expect any different from the gutter press? Think not.
Seriously though, I can understand what Kinnear is getting at because the Newcastle job is a poisoned chalice and there are lots of people up there with agendas.
Would you say there is a major difference in local journalism and the sensationalist journalism of the nationals?
Is it something the likes of yourself would aspire too...ie, go and work for one of the buggers?
I did have an interview a few years ago with the Sun and was asked what I thought of their paper. My honest reply was: "I don't like it and I don't read it."
Funnily enough I never got the job.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2008/oct/03/newcastleunited.premierleague
You think we are a bunch of c**ts.
Or even national route. Standards these days! ; -)
Did you ask for feedback?
LOL
PS...thanks for the honest response
Journalist: Have you met Mike before?
JK: No?
Journalist: Not even at the Orange Tree pub Totteridge?
JK: You want to get your facts right. Dennis Wise never played under me.
Journalist: None of us have even written that...
JK: Another one you wrote. We met in a pub. We are friends in a pub and that is when it was done, in a pub. Good imagination eh? It is nonsense.