Think we might be missing the point here. Whether Reid wanted to leave or was sold as a hard nosed bussiness decision is basically a mute point. The real fact is that he was our most talented footballer and only creative midfielder we had. He should have been replaced. He wasn`t
Good point. But thats not my job to select who the club purchases. We have a management team of Pardew, Parkinson, Robson, Kins and a board of directors. The first four all pulling very decent money to do it. All I am saying Stu is that he needed replacing and we didn`t do it.
Having a go for for the sake of it ? IMHO Charlton sold their best player and with hindsight their best chance of winning promotion. Call me Mr. Picky but I think that getting in a replacement for Reid was the resposibility of those I mentioned. If you want me to name a player then Hoolihan of Blackpool would have cost less than the money we got from Sunderland for Reid.
Thats pretty much true of most prices quoted during january. Feel certain he would have wanted to switch to us for the same reasons Reid wanted to get to Sunderland. Sunderland are a bigger club than us and we are bigger than Blackpool. Its the way of the world. We would still have had money in the bank.
[quote][cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite]Good point. But thats not my job to select who the club purchases. We have a management team of Pardew, Parkinson, Robson, Kins and a board of directors. The first four all pulling very decent money to do it. All I am saying Stu is that he needed replacing and we didn`t do it.[/quote]
I am going to assume that they tried to replace like with like, but those sort of players don't grow on trees.
I refute that Reid is injury prone. He has had one injury this season (which admittedly kept him out for about 6 weeks I think). Secondly I thought people who said we got a good price for him were mad - he is worth at least double what we got, maybe more. Everytime I read a Sunderland match review in the Observer, he seems to be man of the match, including today again.
FFS this is getting VERY boring. Reid WANTED to go because they were trebling his money for a FOUR YEAR contract and offering him a way back to the Premiership.
He asked us to match it and we simply could not do so - end of story. Get real people, when a player wants to leave in modern day football they leave - that's how we got Andy Gray from Burnley and how Chelsea got Scott Parker from us.
You simply CANNOT keep a player these days once they decide they want to leave as Reid did, for people to pretend that we "could have" or "should have" kept him is ridiculous.
If you try and force someone to stay then you are taking a huge risk because how keen do you reckon that player will be to play for you from then on? How many 50/50's or lung-busting runs is he going to make when he knows he'll be off at the end of the summer? None, that's how many.
[cite]Posted By: Ormiston Addick[/cite]FFS this is getting VERY boring. Reid WANTED to go because they were trebling his money for a FOUR YEAR contract and offering him a way back to the Premiership.
He asked us to match it and we simply could not do so - end of story. Get real people, when a player wants to leave in modern day football they leave - that's how we got Andy Gray from Burnley and how Chelsea got Scott Parker from us.
You simply CANNOT keep a player these days once they decide they want to leave as Reid did, for people to pretend that we "could have" or "should have" kept him is ridiculous.
If you try and force someone to stay then you are taking a huge risk because how keen do you reckon that player will be to play for you from then on? How many 50/50's or lung-busting runs is he going to make when he knows he'll be off at the end of the summer? None, that's how many.
Spot on Ormiston - facts of football life I am afraid.
FACT - Sunderland came in with an offer less than a week before thansfer deadline day
FACT - they couldn't buy him on Feb 1st
With all these FACTS in place I would have told them to get lost and put the phone down. We didn't HAVE to agree to their price & we didn't HAVE to sell him. We COULD have kept him until now and then sold him if we didn't get promoted.
Same thing happened with parker and the same thing happened with Murphy. Our board are spineless.
Who said he asked us to match the wages being offered by sunderland ? It wasnt Andy Reid was it, no it was from within Charlton.
Now they say he only went because Wigan didnt take up an option to buy Marcus Bent in January( despite wigan saying there is a clause saying they will buy him if they stay up, well they were never going to be safe in January were they)
The reality is our board are just like the others full of spin.
Who gives a shit he's gone get over it and yourselves
Are any of you on the Board No Fact
Are any of you Reidy's Agent No Fact
Are any of you Andy Reid No Fact
No one on here knows why Reidy left no one on here knows what was offered or said we caned this too death when he was going I went on here and said Worst Mistake Of Season bar none I still think that but he has gone you have put him in Martyr territory here if reidy didnt want to go he wouldnt have gone Fact if Reidy had told Muzza he didnt want to go to Sunderland he wouldnt have gone Fact
move the feck on will we still be havng this conversation next season
i feel like a little boy who was playing with matches and returned to find the whole street a pile of ashes.
i should've just added my 1st post to the 'where should we strenghten' thread.
sorry!
note the fee was only a guaranteed £3.25M with add-ons making £4M possible in the right scenrios, which even then is not a good fee for a player of Reid's undoubted class.
I might be being traitorous here - Am sure the regular will tell me but andy reid spent many many nights quaffing pint after pint in a local greenwich pub. I saw him myself... and he left at 2am that night when he was supposed to be training at 9am the following day.
one SUNDAY night he was in there till gone 2 again... when we were playing away on the tuesday. Shortly after these nights he got injured. Not being funny as i love Reidy but he wasnt totally professional for us... would like him to see get away with the same sort of shenanigans with Mr Keane.
FACT - Sunderland came in with an offer less than a week before thansfer deadline day
FACT - they couldn't buy him on Feb 1st
With all these FACTS in place I would have told them to get lost and put the phone down. We didn't HAVE to agree to their price & we didn't HAVE to sell him. We COULD have kept him until now and then sold him if we didn't get promoted.
Same thing happened with parker and the same thing happened with Murphy. Our board are spineless.
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Jesus Christ, can some people get a feckin clue as to how football works in 2008? We are not in the Jimmy Hill pre maximum wage era anymore - the players run the game these days and that is just how it is - so you may as well get used to it.
Golfie, you stated four facts and only one of them has any meaningful truth to it....the transfer deadline does indeed close on January 31st!!!
FACT - Reid didn't ask to leave: No, of course he did not. An in demand modern players does not put in a"transfer request" - they don't have to. They get word from their agent that another club is interested and say yes, no or maybe and see where it goes. If they put in a transfer request then they forfeit their right to a cut of the transfer fee as per their contract. They wait for the interested club to put in a bid and then let it proceed from there as if they have no idea at all about anyone being interested in buying them.
FACT - Reid didn't put in a transfer request: See above, he and his agent knew that they did not need to do that because of the circumstances. They knew that Charlton needed the dough and that they would never be able to match Sunderland's 25K per week. Why rock the boat and makes themselves the bad guys when they could just sit back and wait for the Charlton board to make the only decison that they could make given that no club in the country (outside the big four) is going to keep a player who openly wants to leave and they have an offer on the table for him.
FACT - Sunderland came in with an offer less than a week before thansfer deadline day - Complete crap. Sunderland were actually in for Reid in early January as Murray and Pardew have both confirmed publicly (and as many papers reported at the time) but their bid was way too low. Eventually, towards the end of January after they had lost a few games and they started to sweat a bit, they came back with a contract for Reid that forced his hand into making Charlton an ultimatum and a price tag for us that was more than fair given the player was injured at the time.
I DO agree that the timing was unfortunate coming right at the end of the tranfer window but, lets be honest, you are not going to find too many Andy Reid's available for sale anyway, so whoever you buy/loan is not going to be an adequate replacement.
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I am going to assume that they tried to replace like with like, but those sort of players don't grow on trees.
Onwards and upwards...(hopefully).
He has had one injury this season (which admittedly kept him out for about 6 weeks I think).
Secondly I thought people who said we got a good price for him were mad - he is worth at least double what we got, maybe more. Everytime I read a Sunderland match review in the Observer, he seems to be man of the match, including today again.
He asked us to match it and we simply could not do so - end of story. Get real people, when a player wants to leave in modern day football they leave - that's how we got Andy Gray from Burnley and how Chelsea got Scott Parker from us.
You simply CANNOT keep a player these days once they decide they want to leave as Reid did, for people to pretend that we "could have" or "should have" kept him is ridiculous.
If you try and force someone to stay then you are taking a huge risk because how keen do you reckon that player will be to play for you from then on? How many 50/50's or lung-busting runs is he going to make when he knows he'll be off at the end of the summer? None, that's how many.
Spot on Ormiston - facts of football life I am afraid.
FACT - Reid didn't put in a transfer request
FACT - Sunderland came in with an offer less than a week before thansfer deadline day
FACT - they couldn't buy him on Feb 1st
With all these FACTS in place I would have told them to get lost and put the phone down. We didn't HAVE to agree to their price & we didn't HAVE to sell him. We COULD have kept him until now and then sold him if we didn't get promoted.
Same thing happened with parker and the same thing happened with Murphy. Our board are spineless.
Now they say he only went because Wigan didnt take up an option to buy Marcus Bent in January( despite wigan saying there is a clause saying they will buy him if they stay up, well they were never going to be safe in January were they)
The reality is our board are just like the others full of spin.
Are any of you on the Board No Fact
Are any of you Reidy's Agent No Fact
Are any of you Andy Reid No Fact
No one on here knows why Reidy left no one on here knows what was offered or said we caned this too death when he was going I went on here and said Worst Mistake Of Season bar none I still think that but he has gone you have put him in Martyr territory here if reidy didnt want to go he wouldnt have gone Fact if Reidy had told Muzza he didnt want to go to Sunderland he wouldnt have gone Fact
move the feck on will we still be havng this conversation next season
Yes Fact
or is that in fact just a fat fact
i should've just added my 1st post to the 'where should we strenghten' thread.
sorry!
Sunderland made several offers to Charlton and were rebuffed at least twice.
At least the board didn't take the first offer, which I presume would have been lower than the £4m that they shelled out.
one SUNDAY night he was in there till gone 2 again... when we were playing away on the tuesday. Shortly after these nights he got injured. Not being funny as i love Reidy but he wasnt totally professional for us... would like him to see get away with the same sort of shenanigans with Mr Keane.
FACT - Reid didn't put in a transfer request
FACT - Sunderland came in with an offer less than a week before thansfer deadline day
FACT - they couldn't buy him on Feb 1st
With all these FACTS in place I would have told them to get lost and put the phone down. We didn't HAVE to agree to their price & we didn't HAVE to sell him. We COULD have kept him until now and then sold him if we didn't get promoted.
Same thing happened with parker and the same thing happened with Murphy. Our board are spineless.
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Jesus Christ, can some people get a feckin clue as to how football works in 2008? We are not in the Jimmy Hill pre maximum wage era anymore - the players run the game these days and that is just how it is - so you may as well get used to it.
Golfie, you stated four facts and only one of them has any meaningful truth to it....the transfer deadline does indeed close on January 31st!!!
FACT - Reid didn't ask to leave: No, of course he did not. An in demand modern players does not put in a"transfer request" - they don't have to. They get word from their agent that another club is interested and say yes, no or maybe and see where it goes. If they put in a transfer request then they forfeit their right to a cut of the transfer fee as per their contract. They wait for the interested club to put in a bid and then let it proceed from there as if they have no idea at all about anyone being interested in buying them.
FACT - Reid didn't put in a transfer request: See above, he and his agent knew that they did not need to do that because of the circumstances. They knew that Charlton needed the dough and that they would never be able to match Sunderland's 25K per week. Why rock the boat and makes themselves the bad guys when they could just sit back and wait for the Charlton board to make the only decison that they could make given that no club in the country (outside the big four) is going to keep a player who openly wants to leave and they have an offer on the table for him.
FACT - Sunderland came in with an offer less than a week before thansfer deadline day - Complete crap. Sunderland were actually in for Reid in early January as Murray and Pardew have both confirmed publicly (and as many papers reported at the time) but their bid was way too low. Eventually, towards the end of January after they had lost a few games and they started to sweat a bit, they came back with a contract for Reid that forced his hand into making Charlton an ultimatum and a price tag for us that was more than fair given the player was injured at the time.
I DO agree that the timing was unfortunate coming right at the end of the tranfer window but, lets be honest, you are not going to find too many Andy Reid's available for sale anyway, so whoever you buy/loan is not going to be an adequate replacement.