just got back from burnley and can't be arsed to read through all posts but here's my take.
i drove up there yesterday and it took over 5 hrs due to accident on M1.
we got to digs, walked to cricket club bar and got caught in the mother of all hail storms.
cold & soaking wet only had an hour in ther 'til k/o.
the game was i wont bother.
even the 8 (yes eight) and a half hour drive back today (M6 closed, moved 9 miles in 3 & 3/4 hours) isn't the most depresssing thing about the trip.
that would have to be when at the final whistle went there were scenes reminiscent of chesterfield last season.
the players had to walk off to our end, as the tunnel is there.
we had our own supporters arguing and literally offering eachother out.
it looked like mcarthy reacted to (some of) the fans abuse. he also stopped sodje from going over to react to something.
the people i felt for most were the few chinese fans we have. i've seen them at quite a few away games, and this occassion was probably the closest they'd been to their 'david beckham'. as zz walked off he went to approach them and was also stopped. they then turned round to find themselves in the middle of the 'i pay my money so i can have my say' mob, and the people protesting at that them doing that mob.(christ i'm useless at explaining things in writing)
anyway, as a result i have never felt so distant from the players and some of our supporters as i do now.
if the 200 or so die hard supporters can't unite, then i think we are in trouble.
sorry if these have been discussed on other threads.
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Sounds like I missed a great night?
wow, i didn't realise we had a chinese take away as well....
Fortunately they displayed their commitment to the cause by leaving when we went 3-1 down.
I do wonder if that element deters family people from travelling if they can afford it. Another reason to add to OOH AHH's list perhaps :-)
They were furious and rightly so i thought the performance was poor and do not agree with this super strike crap i keep hearing, as i saw on another post the goal came about by us not closing the ball down.
They were right to be angry the performance was poor and we lacked ideas again.
Now i was down the front telling the players to get their heads up and show some heart why others were f ing and blinding, and some throwing their shirt on the pitch. Once I turned round I got called a wan!#er by betty hutchings and her little side kick and then I was the one offered out by a bloke i had never seen before. That conduct for me is worse than these pampered players gettin a few swear words directed at them
As for the friction between the fans, i am not to bothered about it myself, after all you cant like everyone. But what i do take offence to is being called names and then when you question the reasoning behind it they ignore you, fair play to betty when i walked down the stairs she was at the bottom and i explained what i was doing down the front and she apologised. As fans we need to understand that not everyone is going to have the same opinion and live with it.
I have always thought it and now it will come out....we have got some fucking strange supporters at charlton, really weird and i thought the mugs on soccer am on saturday confirmed that!
No wonder other clubs laugh at our support!
For the actual pre premiership die hard charlton fans,just stick at it guys,these plastics will probably fuck off next season anyway!
That doen't make sense. How many "premiership plastics" would be bothered to go all the way to Burnley in a Tuesday night?
what a stupid comment.
ive only had my season ticket since the premiership and i fooking resent that.
I reckon i've seen more fights between Charlton fans than i have with the opposition !!
thats 9 years a season ticket holder B, hardly fairweather fan!
we were at chesterfield away last season for one thing.....think that gives us enough brownie points for the time being to give him a dig!
thats not counting the other long drawn out journeys we've done for the club(!) anyway, he didn't mean it, so we'll play nicely for now :-)
thats probably not necessarily true. 10 years ago, there wasn't so many blogs, forums, mediums for things to be discussed. I'm sure that if i didn' tcome onto this forum, or others, then i wouldn't know half of what goes on at games, even if i'm at them. at blackpool there were things going on feet away from us that we had to be told about later, so the other 1000 or so supports down the other end, would have had a clue. the same at chesterfield last season for example (the reason that has sprung into my head today because there were 40 or so charlton fans giving it to dowie and the players as we just went through to the next round of the cup on penalties...we won ffs! i'll still never understand that logic.
if we weren't sat here all day discussing it, we probably wouldn't give it as much thought as we can do, hence why we analyse every miniscule thing, gossip, argue all sorts about charlton, because we can. I dare say 10 years ago, there were a couple of fanzines, that weren't really a 2 way thing. a few columists and possible a mail bag fan letter for a few people to get their point across, but hardly representative of 17k ST holders. this forum itself is only representative of a handful of the valley crowd/fanbase. the supporters director vote is reflection of that. my family didn't even know what it was about, but have been going to charlton for 40 years. but they don't go online.
sorry, not having a pop at you, but this then and now argument has a lot of flaws.
As for booing etc well i guess it is something to do with the life style that 2 days players have. Most of em i wouldnt piss on if they were in flames. They treat people like shit and deserve what they get back when it goes wrong.
i cant stand booing and would end up having a row with "booers"... if i werent being told off by Tavern. He gets frightened when i start "oi-ing" people.
I'd rather go down to the concourse early then listen to boos as it makes me cringe to the tops of my toes.
lol