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Change is hard

ScoSco
edited March 2008 in General Charlton
We are in the thick of it right now, so while we are taking yet another battering by all the recent performances it might be a good time to reflect on the bigger picture as this is as much a learning curve for us as fans as is it is for the board, management and players at Charlton. This is not all encompassing and is not meant to be more important sounding than anyone else's opinion, but I think it offers some scope on our current and recent situation.

Board: After many years solid building they lost their key man in Curbishley and took a big risk that didn't pay off on Dowie who by all accounts sold himself the best to people who hadn't had to appoint someone new in that position for 14 odd years. To compound the error they backed the new man with money which he mis-spent - the money was needed because the existing squad was not going to make the grade. Les came and went as he was in the right place at the wrong time and then we finally wound up with Pardew who most agreed was the best man for the job.

We then had very little money to back him and relegation followed knowing that D Bent was the asset that would help Charlton not fall into massive debt like other clubs have done. Pardew was given a budget based on the league we were in and within a spending structure Charlton were comfortable with. The board does not want to run Charlton the club or company into the ground.

They have learnt the hard way that getting the wrong man in is costly and that the head has to rule the heart in these decisions. They got carried away with Dowie and we are still paying the price. They have another situation brewing at the end of this season - how will they react if we don't go up? Replacing Peter Varney is another massive step.

Manager: Built a reputation through two clubs with above average spending power. The latter, West Ham, also carried a support and reputation that was attractive to players. Now he finds himself in a pretty rigid spending structure but carried on with his buy loads and discard those that don't meet his demands approach. On a lower budget the players that don't make the grade are going to be more numerous.

He has to learn that solid investment in proven players is just as important as buying wildcards that might give us the edge. A few million here and there on players that make up a backbone for the team now seems far more prudent than 250K's here and there on "Youtube talent". He also needs to learn some respect for the other teams in this division.

Players: The few that remained and get in the side are playing alongside an ever changing line-up with many that are not putting enough in. The players that have come in have met a manager full of confidence, bullish in his attitude that we deserve promotion from the outset as Charlton are a big fish. We aren't, we are a decent sized club that has had success in recent years based on solid understanding of football's finances and what is needed on the pitch to make the most of what we are.

They need to learn that getting the basics of football right at this level is just as important as any other level. Play as a team, mark, defend together, movement off of the ball, battling for each other, showing for the ball, passing. Working hard on how football is played at its most fundamental will then allow you to show if you have a bit more than the sides that are doing just the same. We are getting beaten by very workman like performances because we aren't even doing the basics. The playing management also have a responsibility for this.

Fans: We have gone from success to comfortable boredom to exciting failure. The team now is practically unrecognisable to that of a year or two ago. That, plus the ever changing line-up makes it really hard to form a bond with the players/team. We have an expectation of success based on the solid building we were used to, a manager who seemed to have all the answers and fresh, exciting players. Now our confidence is eroding many of us are lashing out or losing our focus.

We need to lower our expectations and stomach some of the performances an unsettled and inexperienced side are churning out and replace our expectant attitude with singing and to use a wooly phrase, togetherness. If we can get our act together and get some prolonged chants going from the stands and show that we stand together, maybe some of that fight will creep onto the pitch. I confess to losing patience on Saturday and having a rant, but when I sat with my pint after the match I realised that I hadn't really sung, encouraged players and fans around me on or got any satisfaction out of moaning. In other words I hadn't been a fan like I usually am.

Me: I don't think we will go up, but this is my club and I am up for the fight and maybe we will make it. It's all about hope supporting a club like Charlton - if you want to expect success, subscribe to Sky and take your pick from the top three of the premiership, just don't expect to feel any real involvement in their success as your pride will always be diluted by your lack of real connection to them.

My club.
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  • sco

    are you me perfectly summed up my feelings towards charlton and us all

    best post i have read
  • That is the best thing i've read on here in months, thank you.

    And i agree with every word by the way.
  • Well done Scott, thats a great article, very well written.

    AFKA - think it would be a good idea to make it a blog so it gets more coverage.
  • I can't from here, but i've whispered Lookout and asked him to copy it in.

    (Assuming Scott doesn't mind)
  • Excellent thoughts Sco and your comments on the expectant attitude are spot on .... we, the fans, are only making things worse at the moment; it is time for some unconditional love!
  • Thought everything said was so true, well done mate.

    How great would it be for even half the fans that boo after a bad game to actually sung during the game. Drives me mad!
  • couldn't agree more mate top post
  • Excellent post Sco.
  • Sco, you weren't the bloke in one of the middle blocks of the East who blew his top towards the end of Saturday's game were you?
  • Top post Sco - Was always going to be about transition this season. Some people need a reality check and I think that you have provided it.

    As AFKA says, it's the best thing that's been posted on here in months.
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  • [cite]Posted By: Sco[/cite]
    We need to lower our expectations and stomach some of the performances an unsettled and inexperienced side are churning out and replace our expectant attitude with singing and to use a wooly phrase, togetherness. If we can get our act together and get some prolonged chants going from the stands and show that we stand together, maybe some of that fight will creep onto the pitch.

    ............I realised that I hadn't really sung, encouraged players and fans around me on or got any satisfaction out of moaning. In other words I hadn't been a fan like I usually am.

    My club.


    Great post, Sco.

    This bit about the fans:
    Back in the old Covered End standing days we used to have a great time - win or lose.

    We'd have some bevvies before the match and most of us would treat it like one big party, singing & dancing the conga, Knees up Muvver Brown' - and we'd even make a racket & chant when we won a corner.

    Sure, we had some disappointing times but despite following an often crap team, we'd have some fun.

    These days, all seater stadiums don't let you dance or do a knees-up, but why do we treat a game as a life or death situation - where's the fun element of watching football now?

    Instead of sitting there expecting the worst and slagging everybody off, couldn't we do our bit to lift the atmosphere of The Valley - and just have a good time?

    It would change the whole dynamics of an atmosphere that is hostile and intimidating towards our own team.
  • Scott, I'll go one better and say that's the best post Ive ever read on this forum. Oggy, we used to have some great times in the Covered End, these days its all so sterile really...its great to look around a full stadium and puff up with pride, but I have to say 25,000 in the old Valley would have been rocking by comparison. I try my best these days to have a good time at games, whatever the result. On very few occasions Ive been really miffed...Wycombe, my first game back in England for nearly a year, Blackpool and PNE last week....I still went for a beer after the game and had a good time socially with my mates, and whilst the game was the main topic, we still managed to have a lovely evening. I think the manager, whilst saying it was a 2 year plan at the outset of this season, has raised our expectations by bigging the player's up...we then expect a committed performance and of late have been served up scraps....maybe we should learn not to take Pardews words for granted and then perhaps our expectations wont be blown out of the water by underperforming players. I think the loanees havent helped our cause and I think this was a monumental mistake on the club's part...it must unsettle the 30 other club players who cant but help think that they arent good enough. Charlton need to build a team...this year we have seen at least three completely different sides wearing our colours, and whilst accepting that we needed time to gel, the management has done little to inspire me with their so called effort to blend a side capable of promotion.
  • Excellent post Scott! Best thing on here for a long long time
  • agree with everone here, that post has hit the nail on the head mate.
  • Good post Sco.

    As a relative newbie this is a pretty trying time for me as I'm sure it is for many. Having had several years in the top flight where all was good - maybe too good - it's too easy to think it's the way it's always been. A reality check was always on the cards and here we are.

    If nothing else our current position asks a lot of questions of the fans and I for one am very much up for the challenge.

    That said, I'm still struggling to see why a manager with a two year building plan is bringing in a load of panic loan players (sorry, I couldn't be all positive!)
  • I too think it's a great post, Sco, because it is realistic about what's happened and where we find ourselves whilst still looking to the future in a spirit of togetherness rather than blind optimism.
  • This is now a blog:

    http://www.charltonlife.com/blog/?p=180

    Future comments should be directed here I should think.
  • Yes please, for history purposes would be nice if those who have commented already copy and paste them if they get a spare 20 seconds.
  • Excellent post SCO.

    I know many on here have followed Charlton for a long time but even some of us forget the bad old times (results and league position wise) but how we used to enjoy "the crack". I think we have all raised our own expectations and now think we should smash anything thats put in fornt of us. Sometimes we have to remember we are not The Arse or Manyoo or Chelski but we are Charlton, always have been and always will be.

    Everyone is entitled to have a moan about performances, players etc but perhaps before we dive and slag of everyone from the tealady to the Chairman perhaps we should sit and think of where we came from and with a bit of good fortune, maybe this season, maybe next or some point in the future, we will be back in the "promised land" of the Premiership.

    COME ON YOU REDS.
  • Well done Sco, very balanced assesment. I admit to being a new addicks fan this is the first year we have had a season ticket after being sucked in to being a charlton fan During relegation fight last year and I am proud to support our local team. I have been dismayed at times at the negativity surrounding the fan base. Ok all not rosy, passes will go astray but too boo a team defies belief and is not in the true spirit of the supporter. Looking forward to the rest of the season with some hope and pride
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  • Well done Sco, very balanced assesment. I admit to being a new addicks fan this is the first year we have had a season ticket after being sucked in to being a charlton fan During relegation fight last year and I am proud to support our local team. I have been dismayed at times at the negativity surrounding the fan base. Ok all not rosy, passes will go astray but too boo a team defies belief and is not in the true spirit of the supporter. Looking forward to the rest of the season with some hope and pride
  • Ps forgot to say! We had been going to the valley for about 3 years since I moved to london from newcastle. Realised I had changed allegiances from the toon to charlton last season when we played newcastle. If ever there is a club with high expectations it is newcastle but being part of the club means you support to the bitter end whatever the results are
  • couldn't have put it better myself mate, top post !
  • A modern day Shakespeare you are Scott

    Well put
  • Well thought out and presented Sco. Maybe its time for everyone to take a reality check. I m sure you ve summed up the feelings of most Charlton fans.
  • i agree Sco crackin post,with regards to the singin everyone on here is in agreement that we must up the anti,however we said this last week re Peter Varney chant,the trouble is if 100 of us try as we did on Saturday,much of time we are looked at as morons,which is a shame.I really don't know what the answer is bacause no matter how hard we all try to lift the atmosphere it just isn't working.Bar us all upping sticks and moving together (you lot wouldn't be able to put up with me for a season NLA will testify that and I'm sure Barts hears me most games.Although I'm sure Ket's old man could arrange it if it was beneficial to the team)how do we change it.I've sung more this year than in other years but just get bemused looks all the time.
  • BDLBDL
    edited March 2008
    Wouldn't it be great if we could get about 10-15,000 copies of this post printed off to hand out at the next home game

    - A message to our fans.........
  • edited March 2008
    It all comes down to fear. The old gits amongst us remember all too clearly the steady decline after we narrowly missed promotion in 57/8. Good players were sold and the Club slowly withered away and was 45 minutes from dying completely in 1984. The Club survived but had to go to Selhurst and lost at least one generation of support which may go someway to explaining OOH AHH's hobbyhorse of crap away support!

    The depressing thing is that financially the world is more hostile now than back in 1984 and the financial differential between the top tier and lower tiers is greater too. We have a cushion in the parachute money but if most of it ends up in the pocket of Andy Gray and others what becomes of us when it runs out? Developers will circle round The Valley like vultures and one wonders how long the Board will be able to afford to resist the pressures to sell even though I don't doubt that they are genuine fans. As I say history has already shown us what can happen after too many years of second and third tier football.

    I've said it before in my opinion promotion is essential sooner rather than later if Charlton Athletic is to survive, in Charlton at any rate.

    Another aspect is Alan Pardew and his public persona. I've said more than once that he is as good as we can realistically hope for given our financial constraints. I'm therefore very much in the Pards "in" rather than Pards "out" camp. However it alienates people like me (I may not be typical admittedly) when he sneers at the traditions of our club like Red, Red Robin or throws up smokescreens to detract from poor performances like the home fans in the Jimmy Seed fiasco or slags off the fans for not going away when many ordinary people are struggling just to make ends meet in an economic climate of rising food, energy, petrol prices and train fares.

    The fans will react negatively if what they hold dear is condescendingly mocked. You may not have liked the football Curbs played but he always said the buck stops with me. He rarely if ever blamed the fans for the shortcomings of the team.

    The fans are at fault in some ways. There are longstanding supporters around me who slag off the likes of ZZ and Ambrose especially before the game even starts. The atmosphere at the Preston game was awful but then so was the performance. It's chicken and egg. I personally believe encouragement beats destructive criticism every time but I think I'm in a minority at Charlton thinking that way.

    I do hope we can get a decent atmosphere for the last 4 home games and maybe, just maybe, we can scrape into the play - offs.
  • bdl

    I will happily use Coca Cola money to print of those copies i might not get to 10-15000 but i reckon i could do a print run of 1000
  • Ben

    Any chance of putting this in the programme? Of just sticking a copy on to every seat in the ground next week?
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