i knew there was a reason why i never came on here last night.
I said to rothko, as we were folding the flag up on the pitch after the game, i caN't wait to see the usual trash on CL tonight NOT.
AND IT WAS EVEN WORSE THAN NORMAL
Reams I really can;t believe you are a charlton fan I honestly can't. Yeah it was bad yesterday very bad but we move on GET over it. So you spent £140 to watch the game - welcome to everyone elses world of actually GOING to a game.
At the end of the day, you are all Charlton supporters. And that means Charlton till you die. There is nothing you can do about it like changing teams because you dont like the manager or whatever - that just can not be done.
I agree that we were absolutely shyte yesterday but I seem to recall from this site, the other week, we were the best team in the world (or near enough) - especially after completing the double over the Nigels and being number 1 in South London.
So at the end of the day just take it on the chin - there are worst things that happen in life.
Well said solid. That was crap yesterday, but it s not life threatening. Long standing Charlton fans have had many days like this,but they still carry on supporting. Ive got my ticket for Ipswich and Ill go there with expectation of a completely different performance.
It was a bad performance yesterday, and yes, I was fed up for an hour or two after the game, but I have seen much worse over the past 20 years of supporting the club and I am fully behind the current management structure at Charlton.
You need to give managers time, it is tough to build a squad with everyone so desperate and anxious to get back in the prem at the same time. Lets give Alan a chance to rebuild and then reasses in a few years. I personally would love nothing more than to go up in the play offs this year, but if we don't I will be there next season, and the season after that, and the one after that.
Love Charlton, f**king love 'em. Come on you reds!!
[cite]Posted By: Reamsofverse[/cite]Same old rose tinted protagonists having a dig, goes over the top of my head guys stop thinking your important enough to try and put me in my place it doesn't work.
Surely they're just saying it as they see it - like you do? You can't have it both ways.
Reams - I was not having a dig at you. I'm pissed off like the everybody else after yesterday's result and the way we played, and understand the reaction on this site. Sure, have a bloody good rant and get it off your chest. But as I said, its not going to change anything you will always support Charlton and nobody else...and that means through the bad times too!
And in the words by Eric Idle........So cheer up you miserable bugger.....Always look on the bright side of life :o)
for me AFKA speaks the most sense, further up the thread. i really honestly don't understand what some of you people expect - this is charlton we're talking about. we won't win every game and sometimes we are gonna be utter utter shite, thats why we are where we are but i for one still believe in pardew, i believe in the board and i believe in the club that i have followed for 33 years. if you dont like it go to the emirates, the bridge or old trafford and join the glory fans - if not start being realistic, i've no doubt we'll finish in a play off position which will disappoint a few of you cos you'll have nothing left to moan about.
please don't feel free to tell me exactly where i'm wrong, last time i looked this was a forum. see you all at portman road lads.
Billy I look forward to your posts in 9 matches time,it will be interesting as will everyone elses.I dont think we will make the play off's as over the last couple of weeks Pardew has demonstrated he does not know his best 11 or how to motivate 11 of the 35 players he has picked this season.He seems to be reacting with wholesale changes to every result and we dont seem to have any continuity.This maybe to appease the fans,but for me we were at our most effective this season when we went to Southampton and then kept that team together for a few matches.I don't understand where Thomas was yesterday was he injured?I wish someone would tell us,otherwise he has gone from a starter on Tuesday to not even making the bench.That is what i mean by Pardew's inconsistent selections.
I goet the feeling that there's a generational split between CAFC. Coming out of the covered end yesterday many of us old 'uns recognised in each other's sorrowful faces that this is the CAFC that we grew up with and the expectations of newer fans are there to be challenged. That's not a criticism - you can't help being born in 1982 or whatever - just a fact of life. Sometimes we're really good, sometimes - like yesterda - we're shocking, and much of the time we're just another average club.
The thing is it's this 2 year plan thing that is causing a lot of arguments.I believe it's this year or forget it,others believes next year the team will have had a season together and be stronger.Whatever happens if we dont go up next season the expectation levels will fall and then we will need a good manager who wont have money at his disposal who can motivate and bring on players.Each season will give you as much chance in reaching the play off's as fighting relegation.
We have covered this ground before but I think the Boards decision re free season tickets next year has in effect back fired (not sure I can use that term on here)
But amongst those younger fans perhaps used to top flight football it has created a false expectation of a quick return.
Of course the deal was purely about preventing a haemorage in season ticket sales and finance.
Us old uns are just hopeful the next game wont be our last......
[cite]Posted By: BrentfordAddick[/cite]I goet the feeling that there's a generational split between CAFC. Coming out of the covered end yesterday many of us old 'uns recognised in each other's sorrowful faces that this is the CAFC that we grew up with and the expectations of newer fans are there to be challenged. That's not a criticism - you can't help being born in 1982 or whatever - just a fact of life. Sometimes we're really good, sometimes - like yesterda - we're shocking, and much of the time we're just another average club.
Oh my good lord just wasted 5 minutes of my life reading this thread. Since when have we as Charlton fans been used to winning every week? I have been going since probably 1982, cannot remember many years when we have swept all teams before us possibly one season? Today was toilet & I took a couple of mates along & I was embarrased they saw it, but that is part of watching Charlton some people appear to have some very short memories on here. If you wanna watch a team win every week think you should go to Old Trafford, Emirates or Stamford Bridge.
I was there watching Pards and the team deal up a load of sh*t. To be fair though Preston played their part in making the game difficult for us. It's clear to me that we wont get an automatic slot and that Pards has got some serious work to do to get the team playing well enough to reach the play offs and better still win them, but it's still game on.
Bristol City. Stoke, Watford. West Brom and many others (including to some extent Preston) have had the luxury of a fixed side, be it financially necessary or because, like Bristol they are on the way up. Pards never had that luxury. He was always going to have to get rid of players, be they out of contract, want aways, or cash generators. He had to go out and lasso a load of new players. As many of the players on his list would have been priced too high/unavailable, he has had to be creative. This involved looking down, looking abroad, looking at "Bosmans" and for extra quality, looking at Premier League loanees.
That is where we are my friends, fifth in the league, not playing fluently, very erratic but still in with a shout. Whatever happens we must try to stick together, get behind the team and save the recriminations for the end of the season if things don't work out. Lets not forget that crap performances ain't going to stop us loving our club. As I said on another thread, it's like a marriage - "better for worse, for richer for poorer, in sickness and in health, as long as ye both shall live!"
However inconsistant we are, however badly we played yesterday, at the moment we are still the 5th best team in the Championship. Because the table says after 37 games, that we are.
Nothing counts until 46 league games have been played.
So no point throwing our toys out of the pram because yesterday was a shocker.
Still 9 games left - whether it's for us to f*ck up - or for the 4 teams above us.
Let's wait and see what Tuesday brings before we bang nails in the coffin lid.
[cite]Posted By: Reamsofverse[/cite]It's not about thw winning ketman it is about the passion that some players are devoid of and poor management decisions. I can stomach defeats just as long as we give it our best shot but when you have so many players going through the motions that is never going to happen.
We had a spine earlier on in the season, where is it when we need it? too much tinkering has gone on too much experimenting in must win games, Pardew by now should know his best 11 but having used 34 players he still doesn't know it obviously.
When players get dropped they should have the desire and determination to fight for their places back and when they do go onto that pitch bloody hell bent on not being demoted to the sidelines again but it's not happening, players in our squad at the moment are not winning their places back through sheer hard work, they are getting back in the side because the guys who have replaced them have done no better it's a vicious circle and one that is disrupting the side.
QPR fans cannot believe that Cook has hardly played for us yet and quite frankly neither can I, how on earth can you bring in Cookie to give Thomas a kick up the arse and then without him being tried and tested bring in Sinclair to play in the same position? and to cap all that off Thomas gets selected before them both at Sheffield Utd!! OK we won but that's not the point im making.
Pardew needs to drum into the players what his desired 11 are, piss a few players off in the process then we'll see how much they want it, if there is no reaction from them then send them on their way at least we'll know who wants to pull on that red shirt and wear it with pride like days gone by.
Weaver, McCarthy, ZZ, Holland, Ambrose and Varney would make a cracking 6 a side team but what chance have they got against 11? They are carrying the rest im afraid.
Reams that is the best post i have read from you in a few weeks now,it is a considered view not over the top and spot on with what is currently wrong at the club.More of the same m8,count to 10 before posting,it is something i done on Saturday night,in fact i went back and changed a few postings as i knew i had gone over the top.
[quote][cite]Posted By: BexleyRed[/cite]Ive got my ticket for Ipswich and Ill go there with expectation of a completely different performance.[/quote] I wish I was going I love it, but money's tight until I'm a cabbie, I love away games in Championship more then in Prem. Maybe Pardew's doing his best, Yassin might be unavailable due to personal reasons we just don't know. AT least Halford's only on loan and he can go straight back to where he came from afterwards.
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I said to rothko, as we were folding the flag up on the pitch after the game, i caN't wait to see the usual trash on CL tonight NOT.
AND IT WAS EVEN WORSE THAN NORMAL
Reams I really can;t believe you are a charlton fan I honestly can't. Yeah it was bad yesterday very bad but we move on GET over it. So you spent £140 to watch the game - welcome to everyone elses world of actually GOING to a game.
I agree that we were absolutely shyte yesterday but I seem to recall from this site, the other week, we were the best team in the world (or near enough) - especially after completing the double over the Nigels and being number 1 in South London.
So at the end of the day just take it on the chin - there are worst things that happen in life.
Keep it real.
You need to give managers time, it is tough to build a squad with everyone so desperate and anxious to get back in the prem at the same time. Lets give Alan a chance to rebuild and then reasses in a few years. I personally would love nothing more than to go up in the play offs this year, but if we don't I will be there next season, and the season after that, and the one after that.
Love Charlton, f**king love 'em. Come on you reds!!
Surely they're just saying it as they see it - like you do? You can't have it both ways.
And in the words by Eric Idle........So cheer up you miserable bugger.....Always look on the bright side of life :o)
please don't feel free to tell me exactly where i'm wrong, last time i looked this was a forum. see you all at portman road lads.
See you at Ipswich.
But amongst those younger fans perhaps used to top flight football it has created a false expectation of a quick return.
Of course the deal was purely about preventing a haemorage in season ticket sales and finance.
Us old uns are just hopeful the next game wont be our last......
Greatest. Comment. Ever.
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I was there watching Pards and the team deal up a load of sh*t. To be fair though Preston played their part in making the game difficult for us. It's clear to me that we wont get an automatic slot and that Pards has got some serious work to do to get the team playing well enough to reach the play offs and better still win them, but it's still game on.
Bristol City. Stoke, Watford. West Brom and many others (including to some extent Preston) have had the luxury of a fixed side, be it financially necessary or because, like Bristol they are on the way up. Pards never had that luxury. He was always going to have to get rid of players, be they out of contract, want aways, or cash generators. He had to go out and lasso a load of new players. As many of the players on his list would have been priced too high/unavailable, he has had to be creative. This involved looking down, looking abroad, looking at "Bosmans" and for extra quality, looking at Premier League loanees.
That is where we are my friends, fifth in the league, not playing fluently, very erratic but still in with a shout. Whatever happens we must try to stick together, get behind the team and save the recriminations for the end of the season if things don't work out. Lets not forget that crap performances ain't going to stop us loving our club. As I said on another thread, it's like a marriage - "better for worse, for richer for poorer, in sickness and in health, as long as ye both shall live!"
Charlton til I die!!
And that's just it - the table doesn't lie.
However inconsistant we are, however badly we played yesterday, at the moment we are still the 5th best team in the Championship. Because the table says after 37 games, that we are.
Nothing counts until 46 league games have been played.
So no point throwing our toys out of the pram because yesterday was a shocker.
Still 9 games left - whether it's for us to f*ck up - or for the 4 teams above us.
Let's wait and see what Tuesday brings before we bang nails in the coffin lid.
Reams that is the best post i have read from you in a few weeks now,it is a considered view not over the top and spot on with what is currently wrong at the club.More of the same m8,count to 10 before posting,it is something i done on Saturday night,in fact i went back and changed a few postings as i knew i had gone over the top.