[cite]Posted By: Gump[/cite]So some of you do not want the club to be successful as long as you are entertained???
I don't actually think its a case of either. The vast majority of supporters would want the club to be successful, there can be no doubting that. But having been on the back foot as a club and a team for 2-3 years, it was necessary for the club to take a step back and not just try and re-align itself structurally, but to get players and supporters confident again and enjoying going to football, seeing games where teams are largely playing on a more even playing field.
Its not the improved standard of football that people miss, nor the ability to see the top names and feel like your dining at the top table, its all the bullshit that goes with the premiership, the huge gulf between clubs, the ridiculous pricing levels, problematic fixture dates, and cynacism of the media. That's what people are really glad to be away from i think.
A lot of people would much rather pay £20 to see an even entertaining game v Barnsley, than £45 to see a one-sided game against Man U.
This isn't a 'Charlton problem', its a football one. The game has got taken away from the masses, most fell for the original glitz that change brought, but as time goes by the novelty is wearing off and people are getting more cynical and not following like sheep any more.
[cite]Posted By: Gump[/cite]The point I'm trying to make (rather poorly obviously) is that i'd like to see Charlton win the Champions League even if we grind out boring 1-0 wins...Unlikely I know but I can dream.
And the chances of us progressing in the Premiership and finishing even in a UEFA Cup place let alone in the top four and qualifying for the CL?
With the current ownership nil. No disrespect to Murray and co, but they can't compete financially with the Abramovitchs and Glazers etc who run their clubs to win trophies not to a balanced budget.
It was a few years ago I started to lose the 'bug', not for football or Charlton but the love that went with both of those. I was finding myself grudgingly going to games insetad of looking forward to them.
The inevitability of going to watch us get dominated by a team whose weekly wage bill is probably more than our annual one was sickening.
Yes I'll always have the London derby winning season, the doubles over the yids, the Arsenal 4-2, and Chelsea on boxing day but that is a really depressing thought that our highlights of being in that league are so few and far between for the amount of time we were there.
And as smudge said the biggest factor is the bullshit. Prices, condescending media coverage, non-existent media coverage! Arsehole fans, plastic fans (possibly one and the same thing). This season if it is our only one in this league holds much, much more promise than a season where a 10th place finish is a target to be hit.
[cite]Posted By: Carter[/cite]I see the school of thought behind wanting to be up the top league but I think after the novelty wears away the reality bites in, and in truth how many real high points were there after we did Chelski on Boxing day?
If we can have the early prem years back then yes I'd rather be up there but in reality I prefer watching us when we play well and win as opposed to trying to limit the top four to a respectable score.
Just wait for reality to bite in the Championship, Carter!
I too am enjoying this season and the different psychology going into games believing we can win. But the consequences of not getting promoted don't bear thinking about.
AFKA is spot-on when he says many of the issues are football ones, not Charlton ones, but I'm afraid football is too far down the slippery slope already...not going to be easy to get our game back.
the premiership is the place to be for me, yeah it's over hyped etc but that's sky for you... how many people watch the championship highlights compared to match of the day...
this season will be wonderful if we get promoted but if we were to fail it could signal another boring spell in this division similar to the ones we had between 90-98 and 81-86 and there weren't many memorable fixtures in those periods excluding promotion years....
my dream is for us to be successful at the highest level and get the best players playing for us and that means the premiership...
i'd prefer us to be playing in front of sell out passionate fans but that's never gonna happen so if we have to take the 'johnny come lately's' and 'prawn sandwich' brigade to fill up the stadium then so be it....
i know in 20 years time i'll be telling my son about the time we won 4-2 at arsenal not about the 3-2 fight backs against nobody fc
For me it's the mentality of the primadonna Premiership players; players of little talent earning hundred of thousands of pounds per year; the sanitisation; the saturation coverage; the plastic fans; hearing 'expert' pundits who form their opinions on the basis of a 30 second highlights package; having people who've never been to a football match in their life lecture me with authority on how Charlton played at the weekend; the fact that they don't actually have the knowledge to have an opinion and they're regurgitating a pundit's which pissed me off the first time round; they don;t have an opnion to offer any more!; the 'razzmatazz'; the new pitch announcer; out of town stadiums that all look the same; the non-competitiveness of so many of the games; the boring approach to the few games that are competitive; ticket prices that would take a small family on holiday; big corporate franchises popping up all round the ground; diving; 4 Saturday 3pm games a season etc etc etc
To me none of that is what football's about. They're cleaning the game up and making it into some kind of 'Sports Entertainment' product, stripping away the passion and the character as they go.
[cite]Posted By: PassItToLeaburn[/cite] hearing 'expert' pundits who form their opinions on the basis of a 30 second highlights package; having people who've never been to a football match in their life lecture me with authority on how Charlton played at the weekend; the fact that they don't actually have the knowledge to have an opinion and they're regurgitating a pundit's which pissed me off the first time round;
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I don't actually think its a case of either. The vast majority of supporters would want the club to be successful, there can be no doubting that. But having been on the back foot as a club and a team for 2-3 years, it was necessary for the club to take a step back and not just try and re-align itself structurally, but to get players and supporters confident again and enjoying going to football, seeing games where teams are largely playing on a more even playing field.
Its not the improved standard of football that people miss, nor the ability to see the top names and feel like your dining at the top table, its all the bullshit that goes with the premiership, the huge gulf between clubs, the ridiculous pricing levels, problematic fixture dates, and cynacism of the media. That's what people are really glad to be away from i think.
A lot of people would much rather pay £20 to see an even entertaining game v Barnsley, than £45 to see a one-sided game against Man U.
This isn't a 'Charlton problem', its a football one. The game has got taken away from the masses, most fell for the original glitz that change brought, but as time goes by the novelty is wearing off and people are getting more cynical and not following like sheep any more.
And the chances of us progressing in the Premiership and finishing even in a UEFA Cup place let alone in the top four and qualifying for the CL?
With the current ownership nil. No disrespect to Murray and co, but they can't compete financially with the Abramovitchs and Glazers etc who run their clubs to win trophies not to a balanced budget.
The inevitability of going to watch us get dominated by a team whose weekly wage bill is probably more than our annual one was sickening.
Yes I'll always have the London derby winning season, the doubles over the yids, the Arsenal 4-2, and Chelsea on boxing day but that is a really depressing thought that our highlights of being in that league are so few and far between for the amount of time we were there.
And as smudge said the biggest factor is the bullshit. Prices, condescending media coverage, non-existent media coverage! Arsehole fans, plastic fans (possibly one and the same thing). This season if it is our only one in this league holds much, much more promise than a season where a 10th place finish is a target to be hit.
Just wait for reality to bite in the Championship, Carter!
I too am enjoying this season and the different psychology going into games believing we can win. But the consequences of not getting promoted don't bear thinking about.
AFKA is spot-on when he says many of the issues are football ones, not Charlton ones, but I'm afraid football is too far down the slippery slope already...not going to be easy to get our game back.
this season will be wonderful if we get promoted but if we were to fail it could signal another boring spell in this division similar to the ones we had between 90-98 and 81-86 and there weren't many memorable fixtures in those periods excluding promotion years....
my dream is for us to be successful at the highest level and get the best players playing for us and that means the premiership...
i'd prefer us to be playing in front of sell out passionate fans but that's never gonna happen so if we have to take the 'johnny come lately's' and 'prawn sandwich' brigade to fill up the stadium then so be it....
i know in 20 years time i'll be telling my son about the time we won 4-2 at arsenal not about the 3-2 fight backs against nobody fc
To me none of that is what football's about. They're cleaning the game up and making it into some kind of 'Sports Entertainment' product, stripping away the passion and the character as they go.
christ, that is so right.....