Went with a tottenham supporter from school, was only 15 years old at the time told my mum I was going with my friends dad but we got the 122 bus took forever, didnt realise at that time I could get a train, bit naive. Good game if I remember
This game was in a run of three 2-2 draws...all of which were really good games. The other two being Newcastle (Paul Miller spitting & Robert Lee last minute equaliser) and Aston Villa (the Alan McInally show....) The period was probably most notable for the emergence of Paul Williams as a quality goal-scorer. He took his chance away to West Ham and stayed in the team thereafter. He was a great loss when we had to sell him after being relegated in 89/90.
I remember this game and in my opinion it shows that Andy Jones was not quite as bad as many say. On his day he could find the net fairly regularly ,if you check the records he scored nearly 1 in 4 for us in the old first division (aka the Premiership) which when you consider many of his appearances were off the bench is not such a bad record.I think his reputation suffers because of the high price tag,that he replaced Jim Melrose and he was behind Hughes and Rush as Wales's third choice striker so I naively expected someone of the same calibre as those two.
It is ironic how Paul Miller went from hero to zero so quickly,this was only four months after the battle of Stamford Bridge and he was dispatched to Watford after the spitting incident in the previous home match.This was before Colin Pates arrived as his replacement.
I think it was Steve Gritt who filled in at centre back that day.I can't work out who would have replaced Gritt in his position when Jones came on because it appears we would have had three strikers with Leaburn and Williams also up top which would have seemed quite a brave tactical move when we were 1 up in the 47th minute,was it an injury?
I remember this game and in my opinion it shows that Andy Jones was not quite as bad as many say. On his day he could score fairly regularly ,if you check the records he scored nearly 1 in 4 for us in the old first division (aka the Premiership) which when you consider many of his appearances were off the bench is not such a bad record.I think his reputation suffers because of the high price tag,that he replaced Jim Melrose and he was behind Hughes and Rush as Wales's third choice striker so I naively expected someone of the same calibre.
It is ironic how Paul Miller went from hero to zero so quickly,this was only four months after the battle of Stamford Bridge and he was dispatched to Watford after the spitting incident in the previous home match.This was before Colin Pates arrived as his replacement.
I think it was Steve Gritt who filled in at centre back that day.I can't work out who would have replaced Gritt in his position when Jones came on because it appears we would have had three strikers with Leaburn and Williams also up top which would have seemed quite a brave tactical move when we were 1 up in the 47th minute,was it an injury?
Ex Addick Paul Walsh appeared for spurs
Agree...Andy Jones scored some good goals...especially headers (Luton away...Forest away 2-2). I guess at the time, he was our most expensive signing and I think we may have beaten off a bit of competition to buy him for £325k? I think in those days we all assumed that such a high price for a striker guaranteed goals, despite the fact that Jones was coming up two divisions. But I do know that there was a feeling that the other players didn't think Jones was quite good enough (I was told this by a senior player when I asked him why Jones didn't feature more).
Regarding the Spurs 2nd half line up....and I haven't got the line up in front of me...did Andy Peake drop into centre-back allowing Jones to come on wide left? Was the line up something like...JH, AP, PS, MR - SM, CW, RL - PW, CL, AJ ??? Just guessing....could be completely wrong.
Yep...we got a 3-0 beating at Old Trafford (the day Milne scored for them) with Steve Gritt playing centre-back against Mark Hughes. To be fair Gritt normally did ok and especially so on his two forays into goal at Crystal Palace and Coventry. Mortimer was used an occasional centre-back and Ronnie Moore became a permanent centre-back in 84/85. In those days most clubs had a utility man...who was often the sub. Our utlility man was Steve Gritt, Brentford's was Bob Booker, Everton's was Alan Harper, Newcastle's was Mick Martin (aka Zico) and I guess Spurs' was Steve Perryman...albeit he was rarely sub and of pretty high quality!
Yep...we got a 3-0 beating at Old Trafford (the day Milne scored for them) with Steve Gritt playing centre-back against Mark Hughes. To be fair Gritt normally did ok and especially so on his two forays into goal at Crystal Palace and Coventry. Mortimer was used an occasional centre-back and Ronnie Moore became a permanent centre-back in 84/85. In those days most clubs had a utility man...who was often the sub. Our utlility man was Steve Gritt, Brentford's was Bob Booker, Everton's was Alan Harper, Newcastle's was Mick Martin (aka Zico) and I guess Spurs' was Steve Perryman...albeit he was rarely sub and of pretty high quality!
I remember Ronnie Moore as being a better centre back for Charlton than centre forward although he had been pretty effective in the other position for Rotherham against us.He actually had started his career in defence for Tranmere,the switch also meant we genuinely had an extra striker at set pieces.I particularly remember him being superb in the two Cup games against Spurs.
Also remember this was a journey made ten years earlier by 'King' Arthur Horsfield. I often thought Bartlett,Kermorgant and Leaburn could have made a similar switch or has the game changed too much now ?
And this was the period where straight from kick off Andy Peake would launch it long towards the wing and it would almost definitely go straight out of play resulting in the first throw in of the game going to the opponents.....wonder why we always used to do this??
Yep...we got a 3-0 beating at Old Trafford (the day Milne scored for them) with Steve Gritt playing centre-back against Mark Hughes. To be fair Gritt normally did ok and especially so on his two forays into goal at Crystal Palace and Coventry. Mortimer was used an occasional centre-back and Ronnie Moore became a permanent centre-back in 84/85. In those days most clubs had a utility man...who was often the sub. Our utlility man was Steve Gritt, Brentford's was Bob Booker, Everton's was Alan Harper, Newcastle's was Mick Martin (aka Zico) and I guess Spurs' was Steve Perryman...albeit he was rarely sub and of pretty high quality!
I remember Ronnie Moore as being a better centre back for Charlton than centre forward although he had been pretty effective in the other position for Rotherham against us.He actually had started his career in defence for Tranmere,the switch also meant we genuinely had an extra striker at set pieces.I particularly remember him being superb in the two Cup games against Spurs.
Also remember this was a journey made ten years earlier by 'King' Arthur Horsfield. I often thought Bartlett,Kermorgant and Leaburn could have made a similar switch or has the game changed too much now.
Looking at the team, I think Morts must have gone to centre half, can't see any other option.
I think we signed Tommy Caton soon after this.
We did.I might be wrong but I thought we got Colin Pates first and only when he got injured we drafted in Tommy Caton from Oxford United.
Mainly courtesy of the Charlton Home and Away book....
Pates was signed in time for the Aston Villa 2-2 at home in October 88 and Caton made his debut in 1-1 at Wimbledon a few weeks later.....alongside Gritt!!! It got worse...the following week at home to Forest 0-1, with Gritt and Caton again at centre-back, Reid went off in the 1st half injured....meaning Mortimer had to move to left-back!!!! And we're worried about the squad being thin now!!!!
PS: By the time we played at Luton in May 89, we had Pates, Shirtliff and Caton in a five at the back defence. Didn't do us much good....we lost 5-2.
Remember it, plastic pitch and ban on away fans but a few managed to get in. Talk about home advantage!
Me and a few mates managed to get in (we were keen in those days.....) to see us taken apart. Having said that, Andy Jones scored two really good headers towards the end which set us up for back to back wins v Wimbledon & Derby, which saw us safe with a game to spare. Luxury!!!! Probably my favourite season watching Charlton.
Remember it, plastic pitch and ban on away fans but a few managed to get in. Talk about home advantage!
Me and a few mates managed to get in (we were keen in those days.....) to see us taken apart. Having said that, Andy Jones scored two really good headers towards the end which set us up for back to back wins v Wimbledon & Derby, which saw us safe with a game to spare. Luxury!!!! Probably my favourite season watching Charlton.
Jones gave us the lead first half then Shirtliff and Willo scored in the second half to make it 3-0.
The next game - away to Forest - was our first 'dead' game for THREE SEASONS!
Remember it, plastic pitch and ban on away fans but a few managed to get in. Talk about home advantage!
Me and a few mates managed to get in (we were keen in those days.....) to see us taken apart. Having said that, Andy Jones scored two really good headers towards the end which set us up for back to back wins v Wimbledon & Derby, which saw us safe with a game to spare. Luxury!!!! Probably my favourite season watching Charlton.
Jones gave us the lead first half then Shirtliff and Willo scored in the second half to make it 3-0.
The next game - away to Forest - was our first 'dead' game for THREE SEASONS!
Just as well since they smashed us 4-0.
One of the reasons it was fun watching Charlton....there was rarely nothing at stake!
PS: Whoever spotted Paul Williams was a genius. £20k for a non-league striker that could score regularly against the best teams in the country and we didn't even have to wait long for him to learn his trade in the reserves. To think we only got £700k for him (which was still a massive profit).
Remember it, plastic pitch and ban on away fans but a few managed to get in. Talk about home advantage!
Me and a few mates managed to get in (we were keen in those days.....) to see us taken apart. Having said that, Andy Jones scored two really good headers towards the end which set us up for back to back wins v Wimbledon & Derby, which saw us safe with a game to spare. Luxury!!!! Probably my favourite season watching Charlton.
Jones gave us the lead first half then Shirtliff and Willo scored in the second half to make it 3-0.
The next game - away to Forest - was our first 'dead' game for THREE SEASONS!
Just as well since they smashed us 4-0.
One of the reasons it was fun watching Charlton....there was rarely nothing at stake!
PS: Whoever spotted Paul Williams was a genius. £20k for a non-league striker that could score regularly against the best teams in the country and we didn't even have to wait long for him to learn his trade in the reserves. To think we only got £700k for him (which was still a massive profit).
I agree,although I do feel that he was not quite as effective in the season after this when we got relegated.After he had been injured he seemed to lose just a tiny bit of pace and it was his electric speed which made him such a star in that season.West Ham did not know what to do with him in the game mentioned above where he made his big breakthrough.
In some ways it is a shame he had a second spell with us at the end of his career as he certainly was not the same player when he returned.
Remember it, plastic pitch and ban on away fans but a few managed to get in. Talk about home advantage!
Me and a few mates managed to get in (we were keen in those days.....) to see us taken apart. Having said that, Andy Jones scored two really good headers towards the end which set us up for back to back wins v Wimbledon & Derby, which saw us safe with a game to spare. Luxury!!!! Probably my favourite season watching Charlton.
Jones gave us the lead first half then Shirtliff and Willo scored in the second half to make it 3-0.
The next game - away to Forest - was our first 'dead' game for THREE SEASONS!
Just as well since they smashed us 4-0.
One of the reasons it was fun watching Charlton....there was rarely nothing at stake!
PS: Whoever spotted Paul Williams was a genius. £20k for a non-league striker that could score regularly against the best teams in the country and we didn't even have to wait long for him to learn his trade in the reserves. To think we only got £700k for him (which was still a massive profit).
I agree,although I do feel that he was not quite as effective in the season after this when we got relegated.After he had been injured he seemed to lose just a tiny bit of pace and it was his electric speed which made him such a star in that season.West Ham did not know what to do with him in the game mentioned above where he made his big breakthrough.
In some ways it is a shame he had a second spell with us at the end of his career as he certainly was not the same player when he returned.
Yep...he was pretty poor when he came back. Just a stop-gap really although I think he was involved in Leaburn's late equaliser at Leicester.
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It is ironic how Paul Miller went from hero to zero so quickly,this was only four months after the battle of Stamford Bridge and he was dispatched to Watford after the spitting incident in the previous home match.This was before Colin Pates arrived as his replacement.
I think it was Steve Gritt who filled in at centre back that day.I can't work out who would have replaced Gritt in his position when Jones came on because it appears we would have had three strikers with Leaburn and Williams also up top which would have seemed quite a brave tactical move when we were 1 up in the 47th minute,was it an injury?
Ex Addick Paul Walsh appeared for spurs
Regarding the Spurs 2nd half line up....and I haven't got the line up in front of me...did Andy Peake drop into centre-back allowing Jones to come on wide left? Was the line up something like...JH, AP, PS, MR - SM, CW, RL - PW, CL, AJ ??? Just guessing....could be completely wrong.
You forget in the current era of seven subs how much we just used to plonk players out of position back in the old days.
I think we signed Tommy Caton soon after this.
I remember Ronnie Moore as being a better centre back for Charlton than centre forward although he had been pretty effective in the other position for Rotherham against us.He actually had started his career in defence for Tranmere,the switch also meant we genuinely had an extra striker at set pieces.I particularly remember him being superb in the two Cup games against Spurs.
Also remember this was a journey made ten years earlier by 'King' Arthur Horsfield. I often thought Bartlett,Kermorgant and Leaburn could have made a similar switch or has the game changed too much now ? We did.I might be wrong but I thought we got Colin Pates first and only when he got injured we drafted in Tommy Caton from Oxford United.
Pates was signed in time for the Aston Villa 2-2 at home in October 88 and Caton made his debut in 1-1 at Wimbledon a few weeks later.....alongside Gritt!!! It got worse...the following week at home to Forest 0-1, with Gritt and Caton again at centre-back, Reid went off in the 1st half injured....meaning Mortimer had to move to left-back!!!! And we're worried about the squad being thin now!!!!
PS: By the time we played at Luton in May 89, we had Pates, Shirtliff and Caton in a five at the back defence. Didn't do us much good....we lost 5-2.
Shilts in goal for them and probably Mark Wright at the back too. Both England internationals just ahead of Italia '90.
The next game - away to Forest - was our first 'dead' game for THREE SEASONS!
Just as well since they smashed us 4-0.
PS: Whoever spotted Paul Williams was a genius. £20k for a non-league striker that could score regularly against the best teams in the country and we didn't even have to wait long for him to learn his trade in the reserves. To think we only got £700k for him (which was still a massive profit).
I agree,although I do feel that he was not quite as effective in the season after this when we got relegated.After he had been injured he seemed to lose just a tiny bit of pace and it was his electric speed which made him such a star in that season.West Ham did not know what to do with him in the game mentioned above where he made his big breakthrough.
In some ways it is a shame he had a second spell with us at the end of his career as he certainly was not the same player when he returned.