[cite]Posted By: Al the Addick[/cite]I really can't understand some people, Saturday was the best support I can remember in a long time. This is the problem that we will always have with seats only as with standing at least you could move about a bit.
I agree Al, was triffic support, prob one of the very best i been in.
[cite]Posted By: Al the Addick[/cite]I really can't understand some people, Saturday was the best support I can remember in a long time. This is the problem that we will always have with seats only as with standing at least you could move about a bit.
People like that are the reason our support is so s**** at times.
[cite]Posted By: Weegie Addick[/cite]If you really want to hear some bad language at football, try going to a match in Scotland! I hadn't realised quite how sanitised The Valley had become until I went to Easter Road a while back. Took a bit of getting used to, but it was all just part of the banter.
Get your tits out for the lads!
;-)
Sorry!
Surprisingly, they didn't sing that one ;-)
And you're lucky Mr Weegie doesn't often look on this board...
[cite]Posted By: WSS[/cite]i sang it to mad83 in front of us lot!
I meant they didn't sing it at Easter Road - perhaps you could teach them a song or two up here?! (Mind you, there weren't exactly a lot of women in the crowd, so I doubt the trip would be worth your while...)
At Sheff wed I was politely asked to "soften my language" by a steward. I'm normally quite a polite young(ish) man but I could not help but to break into fits of hysterics!!!! Swearing is part of football always has been, always will be.
[cite]Posted By: CAFCBourne[/cite]We had a brief chat about this swearing lark with hillsy saturday.
When you take kids to football you know there will be an element which you cannot control basically you get the message across that what you hear at football are not to be repeated outside of football.
and as for you henry thats just the kind of language there complaining about tutt tutt ;-)
This is absolutely right although I draw the line at certain opposition players being refered to as "black c*nts" (at Middlesbrough )which I find totally unacceptable.
I took my 8 year old son on Saturday. I knew it could be a bit naughty both verbally and physically. I made it clear to him that what he hears a football games is not to be repeated. I did think the "Jordan taking it up the "ar*e" chant was a bit too far. It's not the swear words per se that is a problem. Unless your children are closetted away completely, they will hear them anyway, its the crude sexual references which are more of a problem. As a parent I have to weigh up in advance, the postives of the "Dad & Lad" bonding experience/right of passage for a youngster set against some less desireable things he might hear. I judged it Ok for him to go on Saturday. He enjoyed it. He has referred to the swearing in somewhat giggly schoolboy terms and told some of his mate about the use of the "F" word at the Palace game. As far as I'm concerned that's all part of growing up.
As for the standing issue, well having made a huge issue about it after the Man City game last season, I was much more sanguine about it. I expected most would stand. In the end my son was able to see most of the pitch but what was more important was that he really enjoyed the atmosphere and the banter.
I never heard any announcement telling us to sit. Mind you the PA system was as appalling as I remember it being from our time there.
[cite]Posted By: Shag[/cite]Are you referring to this blokes comments Medders ?
Why were you all standing?
The speaker system asked several times for you all to sit down!
My wife and myself, plus God alone knows how many children, older fans and shorter people could not see the match!
We pay for our tickets the same as all the other fans and deserve to see the match.
As usual, it's the selfish minority that spoil it for others.
We purchased season tickets to Charlton because it is a very family oriented club with great fans and an incredible atmosphere.
Is it possible that the away fans are a different group?
Some of the chants were very crude and upsetting, and I wonder what effect they have on the children that look to the adults for guidance, I saw some children watching and copying the adults.
I find it worrying and hope that this behaviour does not continue and become worse.
However, very pleased that we won!
Was Danny Mills man of the match? I thought so.
I cant work out why people like this go to football matches
I blame Shag - he had the temerity to stand up for the whole of the 2nd half and made me stand with him and he made me swear as well.
I agree with a lot of what people are saying but I don't think that "it's a football game" means that anything goes.
We don't sing the "Wheels on the bus" and the last time it was tried at Selhurst back in the 90s it was shouted down by other fans and rightly so.
We don't sing racist songs or make monkey noises, thank god and I hope that we can lose some of the homophobic chants you sometimes get, more at other clubs than Charlton to be honest.
There has always been swearing and I'm as guilty as anyone else but at the Dennis in the last minute game I had to stand next to someone screaming "you F****** kiddie fiddlers, You peado bastards" almost non-stop at the Palace fans.
Where do you draw the line? I don't think child abuse is something to joke about so that's why i won't sing the "incest song" but I would sing the line after "My old man said be a Palace fan.....". contradictory, yes, hypocritical, perhaps but that's my value judgement on what is and isn't acceptable.
There's obviously a line to be drawn between banter and just bad taste or at worst completely ignorant bigotry. Most decent people know where that line is though and it's very very rare that I've observed it being crossed at Charlton. Swearing, standing and slightly bad taste songs are part and parcel of football and an integral part of its character, would be another step towards the gleaming new sanitised corporate world of football if it lost its humour. And that's another one in the wrong direction as far as I'm concerned.
I thought 'Wheels on the Bus' got one of it's loudest outings in a while at Selhurst at the weekend, which was suprising as I thought the song was dying out.
[cite]Posted By: Shag[/cite]Sorry Arf , if I had heard the tannoy announcements to sit down I would've done and I would've made you sit down as well .
Sorry for swearing as well totally uncalled for in the circumstances but those f**king palace c**ts get right up my f**king nose
And Curb it and Tav , thats the last time I get a lift home from you I tell ya :-)
Hands up if you're going to the wedding
the classic about it was the fella in front of us we all apologised to for our language as he had his kids with him only for him to turn round say it's alright i hate the c**** as well.
As AFKA said in the build up to this match it was always going to be "one of those days".
Once in a bluemoon where nearly everyone was going to stand for 90 minutes, chants were going to be out of hand etc. Its a derby game it happens.
Do the sensible thing if you dont want your kids to hear those songs dont take them. Maybe use a bit of common sense re the standing thing. It was always going to happen so could be a sensible option to leave that at home for 1 game.
agree with all of that Henry. Wheels on The Bus is a step too far in my opinion and I'm glad we never sung that. 'The Palace Family' song I would never sing because of it's conotations. However, I've heard worse. Racism is a definate no-no and thankfully we don't have any such chanting/noises. I havn't really heard any homophobic songs either (Jordan and his bum excluded, and that's different anyway as he isn't gay and it's just a wind-up). All in all I think most of our fans know where to draw the line and being there with a woman I was quiet happy that 'I'd rather be a moron than a ****' never got an airing other than on the concourse where I found it hilarious.
the club can't condone standing of course, but in general could they split away allocations in two - front and back - any group with kids/pensioners give seats in front - any other group allocate from the back
Nothing wrong with the whoever side it be playing family song. Nothing wrong with I'd rather be a moron than a c**t.
I will swear and barrack and abuse whoever I feel like within reason and reason being common sense subjects such as racism and falling under coaches. But people I'm sure know that
must admit the moron one is funny! but the wheels on the bus is in very bad taste, I really don't think that some of the people singing it actually realise it's history to be honest.
[cite]Posted By: LargeAddick[/cite]agree with all of that Henry. Wheels on The Bus is a step too far in my opinion and I'm glad we never sung that. 'The Palace Family' song I would never sing because of it's conotations. However, I've heard worse. Racism is a definate no-no and thankfully we don't have any such chanting/noises. I havn't really heard any homophobic songs either (Jordan and his bum excluded, and that's different anyway as he isn't gay and it's just a wind-up). All in all I think most of our fans know where to draw the line and being there with a woman I was quiet happy that 'I'd rather be a moron than a ****' never got an airing other than on the concourse where I found it hilarious.
I didn't join in with any of the swearing as, despite being prepared for my son to hear those sorts of things, I certainly wasn't going to draw attention to them/endorse them by joining in. I am afraid that at least twice some blokes behind me started the "I'd rather be a moron ...." chant but I pleased to say that no one other then them picked it up started singing. This shows there are lines to be drawn and most people know what they are.
Personally I thought Jordan got off lightly regarding the chanting considering all the crap he had spouted off about us as fans over the last 14 months. Geezer had it coming if you ask me, you cannot hide behind the press calling us 'Morons' & 'Imbeciles' and not expect to cop any flak later.
[quote][cite]Posted By: Heath Hero[/cite]I must admit I've never heard the "wheels on the bus" song and I don't suppose there's any point asking someone to post up the words is there?![/quote]
I don't know the words but they refer to a Palace fan who was run over by a coach at a service station when a fight broke out between some Palace and Man u fans just before the FA Cup semi-final in 1995.
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I agree Al, was triffic support, prob one of the very best i been in.
People like that are the reason our support is so s**** at times.
People swore at football, whatever next.
My little cousin is only a short arse but he loved standing at Pompey and Blackburn last season and Palace this season.
Couple of kids behind us were only 6 or 7, they stood on their seats and sang all afternoon, they loved it.
Surprisingly, they didn't sing that one ;-)
And you're lucky Mr Weegie doesn't often look on this board...
I meant they didn't sing it at Easter Road - perhaps you could teach them a song or two up here?! (Mind you, there weren't exactly a lot of women in the crowd, so I doubt the trip would be worth your while...)
This is absolutely right although I draw the line at certain opposition players being refered to as "black c*nts" (at Middlesbrough )which I find totally unacceptable.
I took my 8 year old son on Saturday. I knew it could be a bit naughty both verbally and physically. I made it clear to him that what he hears a football games is not to be repeated. I did think the "Jordan taking it up the "ar*e" chant was a bit too far. It's not the swear words per se that is a problem. Unless your children are closetted away completely, they will hear them anyway, its the crude sexual references which are more of a problem. As a parent I have to weigh up in advance, the postives of the "Dad & Lad" bonding experience/right of passage for a youngster set against some less desireable things he might hear. I judged it Ok for him to go on Saturday. He enjoyed it. He has referred to the swearing in somewhat giggly schoolboy terms and told some of his mate about the use of the "F" word at the Palace game. As far as I'm concerned that's all part of growing up.
As for the standing issue, well having made a huge issue about it after the Man City game last season, I was much more sanguine about it. I expected most would stand. In the end my son was able to see most of the pitch but what was more important was that he really enjoyed the atmosphere and the banter.
I never heard any announcement telling us to sit. Mind you the PA system was as appalling as I remember it being from our time there.
I blame Shag - he had the temerity to stand up for the whole of the 2nd half and made me stand with him and he made me swear as well.
We don't sing the "Wheels on the bus" and the last time it was tried at Selhurst back in the 90s it was shouted down by other fans and rightly so.
We don't sing racist songs or make monkey noises, thank god and I hope that we can lose some of the homophobic chants you sometimes get, more at other clubs than Charlton to be honest.
There has always been swearing and I'm as guilty as anyone else but at the Dennis in the last minute game I had to stand next to someone screaming "you F****** kiddie fiddlers, You peado bastards" almost non-stop at the Palace fans.
Where do you draw the line? I don't think child abuse is something to joke about so that's why i won't sing the "incest song" but I would sing the line after "My old man said be a Palace fan.....". contradictory, yes, hypocritical, perhaps but that's my value judgement on what is and isn't acceptable.
Sorry for swearing as well totally uncalled for in the circumstances but those f**king palace c**ts get right up my f**king nose
And Curb it and Tav , thats the last time I get a lift home from you I tell ya :-)
Hands up if you're going to the wedding
There's obviously a line to be drawn between banter and just bad taste or at worst completely ignorant bigotry. Most decent people know where that line is though and it's very very rare that I've observed it being crossed at Charlton. Swearing, standing and slightly bad taste songs are part and parcel of football and an integral part of its character, would be another step towards the gleaming new sanitised corporate world of football if it lost its humour. And that's another one in the wrong direction as far as I'm concerned.
the classic about it was the fella in front of us we all apologised to for our language as he had his kids with him only for him to turn round say it's alright i hate the c**** as well.
As AFKA said in the build up to this match it was always going to be "one of those days".
Once in a bluemoon where nearly everyone was going to stand for 90 minutes, chants were going to be out of hand etc. Its a derby game it happens.
Do the sensible thing if you dont want your kids to hear those songs dont take them. Maybe use a bit of common sense re the standing thing. It was always going to happen so could be a sensible option to leave that at home for 1 game.
- any group with kids/pensioners give seats in front
- any other group allocate from the back
might help a little
THEY ARE ONLY BLOODY SONGS!!
Sticks and stones people????
Nothing wrong with the whoever side it be playing family song. Nothing wrong with I'd rather be a moron than a c**t.
I will swear and barrack and abuse whoever I feel like within reason and reason being common sense subjects such as racism and falling under coaches. But people I'm sure know that
I didn't join in with any of the swearing as, despite being prepared for my son to hear those sorts of things, I certainly wasn't going to draw attention to them/endorse them by joining in. I am afraid that at least twice some blokes behind me started the "I'd rather be a moron ...." chant but I pleased to say that no one other then them picked it up started singing. This shows there are lines to be drawn and most people know what they are.
I don't know the words but they refer to a Palace fan who was run over by a coach at a service station when a fight broke out between some Palace and Man u fans just before the FA Cup semi-final in 1995.