[cite]Posted By: Southendaddick[/cite]Dont think we can really take the piss out of Palace's support.
Ok, they get 5000 less per home game but they will sell the return match out in hours.
make you right southend, there away support is bags better than ours in terms of numbers! our away support is pooh! This sort of game should sell out double quick!
Wasn't having a direct pop at you Suzi - didn't even see your post til after. What I meant was that EVERYONE can afford to spend £30 on something if they really want to, given enough notice (and the fixtures came out ages ago).
Of course, if you chose to spend your money on something else then that's fine, it's a lifestyle choice what you do with your money after all, but "can't afford it" doesn't really wash with me. You go if you want to, you don't if you don't.
If you can't afford £30 then, unfortunately, you should probably think about taking up another passtime than watching professional football - as bad as that sounds given the games roots and all that.
I've got to do some family stuff in Yorkshire this weekend but even if I didn't the cost is prohibitive and the possibility of trouble makes me reluctant to expose my daughter to the risk. Furthermore I hate Shitehurst Park and the surrounding area!
Off-it is in truth probably after another chomp but unless you earn bloody good wages it is difficult as a family man to justify travelling both home and away. Having a season ticket is "my luxury" out of a limited budget. It's not fair or viable to be greedy by regularly attending away matches too.
Maybe he thinks only the Prawn Sandwich West Stand types should go to football- that's where he sits isn't it?:-)
[cite]Posted By: AFKA Bartram[/cite]
i'd buy that reason if it was the £35 quid again, or if we were being charged more than palace fans are, but we're not.
Anyone who says they can't afford £30 is just making excuses. Either that or they might as well give up watching football.
slightly harsh, because of everyone's situation is different. I can't just fork out money here there and everywhere when and where i feel like it at the mo till i get paid. for whatever reason.
its a valid excuse, however, there should be others lining up behind those who can't afford it trying to snap these tickets up.
where are the 5k that went to blackburn in april?
Wasn't having a direct pop at you Suzi - didn't even see your post til after. What I meant was that EVERYONE can afford to spend £30 on something if they really want to, given enough notice (and the fixtures came out ages ago).
Of course, if you chose to spend your money on something else then that's fine, it's a lifestyle choice what you do with your money after all, but "can't afford it" doesn't really wash with me. You go if you want to, you don't if you don't.
If you can't afford £30 then, unfortunately, you should probably think about taking up another passtime than watching professional football - as bad as that sounds given the games roots and all that.
I hear what you're saying, although i think its slightly unfair. It is a valid excuse, say your boiler broke last week and you had to fork out 1k for it....can you then seriously not say your priorities could change regarding a football game? It is a valid excuse, my point is, it can't be the same excuse for 15,000 people.
For me personally, I don't get paid till friday and haven't been paid for 6 weeks, so having to buy a ticket at the weekend was where the struggle came. I'll have money when it comes to affording the beers on saturday tho hurrah!
[cite]Posted By: paulbaconsarnie[/cite]it's embarrasing enough that we haven't sold out to s/t holders yet. if the same % of this years 'walk up support' buy tickets then we may come close to selling out, but i think the walk up supporters already probably have their tickets by borrowing vouchers.
if we don't sell out and i hear the 'your support is f***ing sh*t' or 'you couldn't sell all your tickets' coming from the covered end to visitors, can i boo the singers?
Spot on! - That REALLY annoys me - you wonder if some of em have *ever* been away themselves...
And yeah the last match at Selhurst we didn't have many, but was a brilliant atmosphere and day out in our end!
i think the point Off It is trying to make is that if you can't afford the £30 ticket with minimal travel, then you can't really have any aspirations of seeing Charlton as a Premier club again, but you would never pay any chaeper than that.
[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite] If we win who cares how many few you are celebrating with as was the case last time. We took big numbers to Boro and B'burn and that didn't help us.
Its more of a pride thing though. We call ourselves the biggest club in South London, yet if we struggle to take 2,400 to our nearest rivals, its a complete hollow claim.
[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]
If we start winning away and at home then the buzz will pick up and so will the away following, IMHO.
that's even worse to me. Saturday is about backing your club in a local game, where pride and bragging rights is up for stake. Jumping on the badwagon later because the team has won a few games is fickle and hollow.
[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]I will be interested to see what the home crowd is. High price, holidays, not doing great, team they don't care about. Lets see if they can break the 14000 mark.
have no interest in what the home crowd is, this is about us, not them. If we have another 3 seasons in this league, and the prices were £5-£10 higher, i doubt we would be breaking the 15,000 mark either.
It's not just the family man that struggles. I'm in the perfect demograph of your stereotypical football fan. aged between 18 and 30 single, employed, no kids but have a mortgage and that holds me up from doing things as I have no partners wages to fall back on as a cushion. To do an away day you could (for the sake of an agrument) use somewhere like Palace to cost it up.
Bus from Lordswood to Chatham £4.20 rtn
Train from Chatham all day travelcard £12.95
Drinks & food throughout the day £30-40
Ticket £30
That's in region of £70 I need to find on my own to go. I'm not moaning about it whatsoever because I love going to away games, but it is getting harder and harder with the way things are economically at the moment as well as Places like Palace charging (only an extra) ten pound more than they should be allowed for a ticket into their shithole.
But you've proved my point Len. It's not that you "can't afford" £30, rather that as a family man your priorities are elsewhere and you would need to really justify going - and quite rightly too. So, for various reasons you chose not to go. That's fine by me, doesn't make you any less of a fan in my eyes.
And no, I'm not after a chomp. People living within their means and taking responsibility for themselves and their families is actually something I feel quite strongly about. I get fed up of hearing people whinge on about how they can't afford this or that whilst puffing on a tab, guzzling down booze, talking on their brand new mobile or standing there in the latest designer gear. I genuinely fear for this "must have - now" society that we live in where everything is bought on tick and then every else gets blamed for the mess that an individual has got themselves in - with the people who act responsibly and take care of their own affairs ultimately picking up the tab.
And for the record, although I have said it elsewhere already, I'm not going saturday. Not because I "can't afford" it - but because I'm saving up for a new Ferrari as my current one is over a year old now. )
(Actually, it's because I'm taking my family on holiday)
To add a note of positivity, may I just say that I am proud to be going along on Saturday and will be singing twice as loud among my fellow supporters. If you can't make it, my extra volume will hopefully make up for it. I am looking forward to this and can no longer be bothered to give thought as to whether we should be taking more or not. I am now focusing on those who can make it and will try to help create a positive Charlton block to cheer our boys on.
[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]If we win who cares how many few you are celebrating with as was the case last time. We took big numbers to Boro and B'burn and that didn't help us.
Its more of a pride thing though. We call ourselves the biggest club in South London, yet if we struggle to take 2,400 to our nearest rivals, its a complete hollow claim.
We are the biggest club in S London FACT on a number of measures. Why is away support the only factor? Maybe it is about pride and us not wanting to give them something to gloat about but I don't care about that or what they think.
[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]
If we start winning away and at home then the buzz will pick up and so will the away following, IMHO.
that's even worse to me. Saturday is about backing your club in a local game, where pride and bragging rights is up for stake. Jumping on the badwagon later because the team has won a few games is fickle and hollow.
Hardly jumping on a bandwagon if you are a fan. Of course away support goes up when a team in doing well. That's the same for us and Palace who don't always get great numbers. I just think we've got a lot of people who because they can pick and choose do. And yes, I'm one of them. 5 or 6 away games a year is enough for me but maybe a few more if we're doing well or we have a cup run (see Chesterfield last season).
[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]I will be interested to see what the home crowd is. High price, holidays, not doing great, team they don't care about. Lets see if they can break the 14000 mark.
have no interest in what the home crowd is, this is about us, not them. If we have another 3 seasons in this league, and the prices were £5-£10 higher, i doubt we would be breaking the 15,000 mark either.
Fair enough if it is about us by why mention pride. This thread seems to be a lot about not showing ourselves up in front of palace by not taking our full allocation. I don't care what they think but I am interested in how there support is slipping. And yes after three years in this league ours may do the same but there last home game was bhoyed up by lots of cheap tickets and radio advertising (all the things they slag us off for) so interested to see what their crowd will be without all that.
i'm playing cricket on saturday(mobile phone in pocket for updates) cos i know i've only got a few years of sporting activity left inside of me.... but i'll be there tonight to see if we can go as far as iain dowie took us last year... but our away support is laughable at best in comparison to ALL clubs
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make you right southend, there away support is bags better than ours in terms of numbers! our away support is pooh! This sort of game should sell out double quick!
Of course, if you chose to spend your money on something else then that's fine, it's a lifestyle choice what you do with your money after all, but "can't afford it" doesn't really wash with me. You go if you want to, you don't if you don't.
If you can't afford £30 then, unfortunately, you should probably think about taking up another passtime than watching professional football - as bad as that sounds given the games roots and all that.
Off-it is in truth probably after another chomp but unless you earn bloody good wages it is difficult as a family man to justify travelling both home and away. Having a season ticket is "my luxury" out of a limited budget. It's not fair or viable to be greedy by regularly attending away matches too.
Maybe he thinks only the Prawn Sandwich West Stand types should go to football- that's where he sits isn't it?:-)
;-)
Very good Westside! Not QUITE that old yet:-)
I hear what you're saying, although i think its slightly unfair. It is a valid excuse, say your boiler broke last week and you had to fork out 1k for it....can you then seriously not say your priorities could change regarding a football game? It is a valid excuse, my point is, it can't be the same excuse for 15,000 people.
For me personally, I don't get paid till friday and haven't been paid for 6 weeks, so having to buy a ticket at the weekend was where the struggle came. I'll have money when it comes to affording the beers on saturday tho hurrah!
Spot on! - That REALLY annoys me - you wonder if some of em have *ever* been away themselves...
And yeah the last match at Selhurst we didn't have many, but was a brilliant atmosphere and day out in our end!
Its more of a pride thing though. We call ourselves the biggest club in South London, yet if we struggle to take 2,400 to our nearest rivals, its a complete hollow claim.
that's even worse to me. Saturday is about backing your club in a local game, where pride and bragging rights is up for stake. Jumping on the badwagon later because the team has won a few games is fickle and hollow.
have no interest in what the home crowd is, this is about us, not them. If we have another 3 seasons in this league, and the prices were £5-£10 higher, i doubt we would be breaking the 15,000 mark either.
Bus from Lordswood to Chatham £4.20 rtn
Train from Chatham all day travelcard £12.95
Drinks & food throughout the day £30-40
Ticket £30
That's in region of £70 I need to find on my own to go. I'm not moaning about it whatsoever because I love going to away games, but it is getting harder and harder with the way things are economically at the moment as well as Places like Palace charging (only an extra) ten pound more than they should be allowed for a ticket into their shithole.
Just makes things a bit tight ya know??
And no, I'm not after a chomp. People living within their means and taking responsibility for themselves and their families is actually something I feel quite strongly about. I get fed up of hearing people whinge on about how they can't afford this or that whilst puffing on a tab, guzzling down booze, talking on their brand new mobile or standing there in the latest designer gear. I genuinely fear for this "must have - now" society that we live in where everything is bought on tick and then every else gets blamed for the mess that an individual has got themselves in - with the people who act responsibly and take care of their own affairs ultimately picking up the tab.
And for the record, although I have said it elsewhere already, I'm not going saturday. Not because I "can't afford" it - but because I'm saving up for a new Ferrari as my current one is over a year old now.
(Actually, it's because I'm taking my family on holiday)
But my point is, if you fall into the category where you 'pick and choose', this would of been the first one on my priorities to 'pick'.
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Totally agree, can't think of one I'd rate above this as a pick.
I just dont think that our club has the passion of most teams in their support (including Palace)
I dont mean most of us on here that are going, im as passionate about Charlton as anyone I just mean our support in general.
Any other club from Southampton to Norwich in the area would sell this fixture out.
Palace is the biggest game for me, bigger than Millwall, West Ham everyone.
ALAN PARDEW'S RED AND WHITE ARMY
edit: nope, i've fixed it
I even changed my holiday for this game....
ALAN PARDEW'S RED AND WHITE ARMY
Fair enough if it is about us by why mention pride. This thread seems to be a lot about not showing ourselves up in front of palace by not taking our full allocation. I don't care what they think but I am interested in how there support is slipping. And yes after three years in this league ours may do the same but there last home game was bhoyed up by lots of cheap tickets and radio advertising (all the things they slag us off for) so interested to see what their crowd will be without all that.
I booked mine KNOWING that this game was on.
I am obviously not a true fan.
ALAN PARDEW'S RED AND WHITE ARMY
or just going somewhere nicer than i am !
I've got a nice Greek fire to look forward to :-(
But no one in my circle does & the only one that did is working.
Can't go on my todd (well I would but hubby wouldn't like it).
So am stuffed & extremely gutted
:-(