Planning permission for an extra tier on The Curbside?

swords_alive · October 10

Off_it said:

swords_alive said:

Also the memorial garden, is that consecrated land? Google says "A planning change of use for consecrated land requires both local planning permission and permission from the relevant Church authorities, known as a faculty in the Church of England, due to its protected legal status. "

Well, if you're using Google then look up "consecrated land" and that should tell you the answer is "no".

I did another search just now thanks to your prompt and it turns out a 'register of consecrates' would confirm if the Valley plot was registered, and seems those are not accessible via Google.

I thought it would be easier to ask @Pico on the other thread but i'm not at all sure the @ thing is working currently. Sooner of later it would be useful to know for sure what status the memorial garden has, but if someone in the club already knows and has documented that, good on them.

Airman Brown · October 10

ShootersHillGuru said:

Not sure why the football club would entertain even considering this when they don’t own the stadium.

They won’t. All external works require Roland’s consent and become his property.

ElfsborgAddick · October 10

killerandflash said:

letthegoodtimesroll said:

Elthamaddick said:

the ground would look superb with the corners filled in, new roof on the JS and it maybe taken back a bit in a big single tier - might squeeze another 5k seat in total taking capacity up to say 32k - more than enough for us. Curved big screen could stay in the same corner a bit like it is at West Brom and away fans be allocated the SW corner and the right side of behind the goal.

connect all the roofs up and the stadium would be unreal

The ground would look and intimidating to away teams and away fans. Also the original plans would have raised it to 40k. It would be a waste of money to increase it to anything less if we want to compete at the top level.

40k would be way too large outside of the PL, and realistically we're never going to be a permanent top flight team.

And here we have the winning post.

Off_it · October 10

swords_alive said:

Off_it said:

swords_alive said:

Also the memorial garden, is that consecrated land? Google says "A planning change of use for consecrated land requires both local planning permission and permission from the relevant Church authorities, known as a faculty in the Church of England, due to its protected legal status. "

Well, if you're using Google then look up "consecrated land" and that should tell you the answer is "no".

I did another search just now thanks to your prompt and it turns out a 'register of consecrates' would confirm if the Valley plot was registered, and seems those are not accessible via Google.

I thought it would be easier to ask @Pico on the other thread but i'm not at all sure the @ thing is working currently. Sooner of later it would be useful to know for sure what status the memorial garden has, but if someone in the club already knows and has documented that, good on them.

OK, I'll play along.

A two-second "consecrated ground" search on Google brings up the following;

Consecrated ground refers to land or a space, such as a cemetery or churchyard, that has been officially blessed and dedicated to sacred use through a religious ceremony by a religious authority, making it suitable for religious rituals like Christian burials. This process imbues the land with religious significance, placing it under the jurisdiction of the Church and offering added protection and reassurance for families about the sanctity of the burial site.

Key Aspects

Sacred Dedication:The core idea of consecrated ground is its dedication to God and sacred purposes through a formal, liturgical blessing.
Religious Ceremony:A bishop or other religious authority performs a ceremony, often involving prayers, incense, and holy water, to consecrate the land.
Church of England Law:The concept is particularly tied to Church of England law, which dictates the process and meaning of consecrating land for burial.
Jurisdiction:Once consecrated, the land falls under the bishop's jurisdiction and, in the case of burial grounds, becomes subject to the faculty jurisdiction.
Protection and Dignity:Consecration provides a greater degree of permanence and protection for a burial site, ensuring it is not disturbed without proper religious authorization, such as a faculty for exhumation.
Common Use:It is most frequently associated with Christian burial sites, though the term can also apply to other sacred structures or locations.
Secular Cemeteries:Even secular cemeteries often have portions that are consecrated to accommodate religious wishes for burials in holy ground.

Off_it · October 10

Airman Brown said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Not sure why the football club would entertain even considering this when they don’t own the stadium.

They won’t. All external works require Roland’s consent and become his property.

Apparently, some think we will also need God's permission to redevelop. Not sure which will be more difficult. At least Roland exists.

JustFloydRoad · October 10

SoundAsa£ said:

What would be the possibility of us getting planning permission for a second tier?
What are the main obstacles/objections that would no doubt be raised and how serious would the likelihood of us getting the go ahead as a result of these objections?
I assume the Jimmy Seed would have little or no problems in getting the required permission…..as and when.

Jimmy Steed already hosts 3,200- doesn't need anymore (unless we are planning to expand the Valley to 40,000 capacity stadium) even if we get promoted to the Premier League!

killerandflash · October 10

SporadicAddick said:

killerandflash said:

Rothko said:

letthegoodtimesroll said:

Rothko said:

We would be fine with just 27k seats, loads of clubs do it in the Premier League on about that or less, but we do really lack decent hospitality, might need the club to move the offices out of the Valley as a start in the short term to free up bits of space here and there.

Hospitality is key. The money being spent on that in the PL is eye watering. It would be interesting to see the numbers for the fans zone for last season and this season but even those would only scratch the surface of what could be brought in. When we buy a season ticket most of us don’t even pay half of what a matchday experience can cost in the London PL teams.

27k will just mean we’d we would only be treading water until the season we get relegated again.

Think 27k is fine, the Amex is 31k, the Gtech is 18k, Craven Cottage is 29k, so we're in the sweet zone, don't see increasing to 40k is anything at the moment more than vanity. But all three of those stadiums make a ton of cash on hospitality, and just more general admission tickets probably isn't the problem

Agreed. The Curbs stand exec boxes are poor quality, and lack a separate lounge, that's where a major upgrade is needed.

The JS needs a complete rebuild, including demolishing the banking it's currently sitting on, which wastes the space underneath it.

You can’t demolish earth. You’d have to dig it out and reinforce retaining walls at enormous cost before even starting construction. For that reason I think any redevelopment at that end is building on the existing bank (as with both the Covered End and Curbs)

The rake isn't great, but the lower Covered End isn't banking, hence it has toilets and bars underneath it.

The Curbs has the complication of the sewer underneath it, but was a completely new construction, with a steep rake, and the flat concourse area near the back.

SoundAsa£ · October 10

JustFloydRoad said:

SoundAsa£ said:

What would be the possibility of us getting planning permission for a second tier?
What are the main obstacles/objections that would no doubt be raised and how serious would the likelihood of us getting the go ahead as a result of these objections?
I assume the Jimmy Seed would have little or no problems in getting the required permission…..as and when.

Jimmy Steed already hosts 3,200- doesn't need anymore (unless we are planning to expand the Valley to 40,000 capacity stadium) even if we get promoted to the Premier League!

It’s the only area where we can expand without planning problems.
So are you suggesting we don’t increase our capacity.
Where does the 40,000 come into the equation?

The plan overwhelmingly agreeable and easily achievable would be to put a second tier on The Jimmy Seed but that would take us from the current 27,000 to the lower 30,000’s …..nothing like the 40,000 you are suggesting…..so I’m not sure what you are suggesting?
That could only be achieved by a second tier on The
Curbside, that’s the reason why I am interested in knowing peoples thoughts on the matter.
I am approaching my 78th birthday and I am living in hope that I will live long enough to see some significant extra capacity at my beloved Valley…..it means a lot to me and would make me feel very very proud. 🤞🤞🤞

ElfsborgAddick · October 10

SoundAsa£ said:

JustFloydRoad said:

SoundAsa£ said:

What would be the possibility of us getting planning permission for a second tier?
What are the main obstacles/objections that would no doubt be raised and how serious would the likelihood of us getting the go ahead as a result of these objections?
I assume the Jimmy Seed would have little or no problems in getting the required permission…..as and when.

Jimmy Steed already hosts 3,200- doesn't need anymore (unless we are planning to expand the Valley to 40,000 capacity stadium) even if we get promoted to the Premier League!

It’s the only area where we can expand without planning problems.
So are you suggesting we don’t increase our capacity.
Where dors

the 40,000 come into the equation?
The plan overwhelmingly agreeable and easily achievable would be to put a second tier on The Jimmy Seed but that would take us from the current 27,000 to the lower 30,000’s …..nothing like the 40,000 you are suggesting…..so I’m not sure what you are suggesting?
That could only be achieved by a second tier on The
Curbside, that’s the reason why I am interested in knowing peoples thoughts on the matter.
I am approaching my 78th birthday and I am living in hope that I will live long enough to see some significant extra capacity at my beloved Valley…..it means a lot to me and would make me feel very very proud. 🤞🤞🤞

From memory, Murray said that we could redevelop the away end and fill in both corners and this could take us to 40k.

However, all academic whilst Uncle Roland owns the ground.

SoundAsa£ · October 10

stoneroses19 said:

SoundAsa£ said:

It would seem the whole thing is something of a minefield.
So many different opinions and posters with differing view points.
It’s most confusing if you ask me, I certainly can’t work out what’s factual.
So……is it viable or not?

If all you wanted was a quick firm yes or no, not sure why you started the thread. Theres been some interesting, factual, and useful responses.

Thanks for your pleasant input.🫤

SoundAsa£ · October 10

killerandflash said:

letthegoodtimesroll said:

Elthamaddick said:

the ground would look superb with the corners filled in, new roof on the JS and it maybe taken back a bit in a big single tier - might squeeze another 5k seat in total taking capacity up to say 32k - more than enough for us. Curved big screen could stay in the same corner a bit like it is at West Brom and away fans be allocated the SW corner and the right side of behind the goal.

connect all the roofs up and the stadium would be unreal

The ground would look and intimidating to away teams and away fans. Also the original plans would have raised it to 40k. It would be a waste of money to increase it to anything less if we want to compete at the top level.

40k would be way too large outside of the PL, and realistically we're never going to be a permanent top flight team.

FFS!!!!

MartinCAFC · October 10

sammy391 said:

Think there's a recent article by Peter Varney (maybe in the SLP?) that confirmed that an extra tier on the AC wouldnt need the land that was sold behind the stand (landsdown mews). Thats before you even look at developing, enlarging and even adding a tier to the Jimmy Seed, which Roland had tried to look at (wasnt a hotel mooted there at that point?).

Filling in the corners are the most obvious step, if it was ever needed, but question would be where the big screen goes

Yes, there was definitely an article and sure it came out the same time as when the Lego Valley was put in the museum which in short if I recall correctly was Peter Varney explaining how the original 40k plan could still be achieved despite the new flats being built.

sam3110 · October 10

It's similar to St. James in that respect, they have 2 massive stands but can't develop the other 2 due to restrictions. Due to the nature of The Valley and the surrounding area you can probably build the JS almost as big as you want, and given the space behind the West Stand, I reckon that could also go bigger if absolutely needed, without the need for anything on the Curbside

swords_alive · October 10

Off_it said:

swords_alive said:

Off_it said:

swords_alive said:

Also the memorial garden, is that consecrated land? Google says "A planning change of use for consecrated land requires both local planning permission and permission from the relevant Church authorities, known as a faculty in the Church of England, due to its protected legal status. "

Well, if you're using Google then look up "consecrated land" and that should tell you the answer is "no".

I did another search just now thanks to your prompt and it turns out a 'register of consecrates' would confirm if the Valley plot was registered, and seems those are not accessible via Google.

I thought it would be easier to ask @Pico on the other thread but i'm not at all sure the @ thing is working currently. Sooner of later it would be useful to know for sure what status the memorial garden has, but if someone in the club already knows and has documented that, good on them.

OK, I'll play along.

A two-second "consecrated ground" search on Google brings up the following;

Consecrated ground refers to land or a space, such as a cemetery or churchyard, that has been officially blessed and dedicated to sacred use through a religious ceremony by a religious authority, making it suitable for religious rituals like Christian burials. This process imbues the land with religious significance, placing it under the jurisdiction of the Church and offering added protection and reassurance for families about the sanctity of the burial site.

Key Aspects
Sacred Dedication:The core idea of consecrated ground is its dedication to God and sacred purposes through a formal, liturgical blessing.
Religious Ceremony:A bishop or other religious authority performs a ceremony, often involving prayers, incense, and holy water, to consecrate the land.
Church of England Law:The concept is particularly tied to Church of England law, which dictates the process and meaning of consecrating land for burial.
Jurisdiction:Once consecrated, the land falls under the bishop's jurisdiction and, in the case of burial grounds, becomes subject to the faculty jurisdiction.
Protection and Dignity:Consecration provides a greater degree of permanence and protection for a burial site, ensuring it is not disturbed without proper religious authorization, such as a faculty for exhumation.
Common Use:It is most frequently associated with Christian burial sites, though the term can also apply to other sacred structures or locations.
Secular Cemeteries:Even secular cemeteries often have portions that are consecrated to accommodate religious wishes for burials in holy ground.

Thanks for taking the time Off_it. I had thought ceremonies of some sort had been held there. I'm not religious myself.

JustFloydRoad · October 10

SoundAsa£ said:

JustFloydRoad said:

SoundAsa£ said:

What would be the possibility of us getting planning permission for a second tier?
What are the main obstacles/objections that would no doubt be raised and how serious would the likelihood of us getting the go ahead as a result of these objections?
I assume the Jimmy Seed would have little or no problems in getting the required permission…..as and when.

Jimmy Steed already hosts 3,200- doesn't need anymore (unless we are planning to expand the Valley to 40,000 capacity stadium) even if we get promoted to the Premier League!

It’s the only area where we can expand without planning problems.
So are you suggesting we don’t increase our capacity.
Where does the 40,000 come into the equation?
The plan overwhelmingly agreeable and easily achievable would be to put a second tier on The Jimmy Seed but that would take us from the current 27,000 to the lower 30,000’s …..nothing like the 40,000 you are suggesting…..so I’m not sure what you are suggesting?
That could only be achieved by a second tier on The
Curbside, that’s the reason why I am interested in knowing peoples thoughts on the matter.
I am approaching my 78th birthday and I am living in hope that I will live long enough to see some significant extra capacity at my beloved Valley…..it means a lot to me and would make me feel very very proud. 🤞🤞🤞

If we expand the Jimmy Steed Stand then that only should be to accommodate home support. Then is a question about how the club steward/police that, and after how they dealt with the spanners I am not comfortable with that idea (then again why don't we give them more of their mob to beat up).

JustFloydRoad · October 10

SoundAsa£ said:

JustFloydRoad said:

SoundAsa£ said:

What would be the possibility of us getting planning permission for a second tier?
What are the main obstacles/objections that would no doubt be raised and how serious would the likelihood of us getting the go ahead as a result of these objections?
I assume the Jimmy Seed would have little or no problems in getting the required permission…..as and when.

Jimmy Steed already hosts 3,200- doesn't need anymore (unless we are planning to expand the Valley to 40,000 capacity stadium) even if we get promoted to the Premier League!

It’s the only area where we can expand without planning problems.
So are you suggesting we don’t increase our capacity.
Where does the 40,000 come into the equation?
The plan overwhelmingly agreeable and easily achievable would be to put a second tier on The Jimmy Seed but that would take us from the current 27,000 to the lower 30,000’s …..nothing like the 40,000 you are suggesting…..so I’m not sure what you are suggesting?
That could only be achieved by a second tier on The
Curbside, that’s the reason why I am interested in knowing peoples thoughts on the matter.
I am approaching my 78th birthday and I am living in hope that I will live long enough to see some significant extra capacity at my beloved Valley…..it means a lot to me and would make me feel very very proud. 🤞🤞🤞

In terms of expanding to 40,000 I am referring to the ideal scenario we talked about years ago (before we were relegated from the Premier League)!

SporadicAddick · October 10

killerandflash said:

SporadicAddick said:

killerandflash said:

Rothko said:

letthegoodtimesroll said:

Rothko said:

We would be fine with just 27k seats, loads of clubs do it in the Premier League on about that or less, but we do really lack decent hospitality, might need the club to move the offices out of the Valley as a start in the short term to free up bits of space here and there.

Hospitality is key. The money being spent on that in the PL is eye watering. It would be interesting to see the numbers for the fans zone for last season and this season but even those would only scratch the surface of what could be brought in. When we buy a season ticket most of us don’t even pay half of what a matchday experience can cost in the London PL teams.

27k will just mean we’d we would only be treading water until the season we get relegated again.

Think 27k is fine, the Amex is 31k, the Gtech is 18k, Craven Cottage is 29k, so we're in the sweet zone, don't see increasing to 40k is anything at the moment more than vanity. But all three of those stadiums make a ton of cash on hospitality, and just more general admission tickets probably isn't the problem

Agreed. The Curbs stand exec boxes are poor quality, and lack a separate lounge, that's where a major upgrade is needed.

The JS needs a complete rebuild, including demolishing the banking it's currently sitting on, which wastes the space underneath it.

You can’t demolish earth. You’d have to dig it out and reinforce retaining walls at enormous cost before even starting construction. For that reason I think any redevelopment at that end is building on the existing bank (as with both the Covered End and Curbs)

The rake isn't great, but the lower Covered End isn't banking, hence it has toilets and bars underneath it.

The Curbs has the complication of the sewer underneath it, but was a completely new construction, with a steep rake, and the flat concourse area near the back.

Pretty certain the lower covered end is the same banking that was first built up in the 20s and covered in the 30s. When the new stand was built early 2000s it built out the back - it didn’t touch the original (albeit man made) banking.

Compare a picture of Sam Bartram in front of the Covered End and the same view today, and you will see that the lower bank is identical - the entrances into the stand remain in exactly the same place. That part of the stand is as it was in the 1930s.

underneath the Curbs is the original bank. A wedge was cut in for the concourse, but it’s essentially the original (and amended) chalk cliff below.

The Jimmy Seed is the original chalk cliff (albeit reshaped for terracing in the 20s).

CAFCTrev · October 10

Let's just move to the O2 and get it over with.

Covered End · October 10

A pointless thread.
We won't be doing any stadium expansion until we own the freehold and there's no sign of that happening in the near future.

killerandflash · October 10

SporadicAddick said:

killerandflash said:

SporadicAddick said:

killerandflash said:

Rothko said:

letthegoodtimesroll said:

Rothko said:

We would be fine with just 27k seats, loads of clubs do it in the Premier League on about that or less, but we do really lack decent hospitality, might need the club to move the offices out of the Valley as a start in the short term to free up bits of space here and there.

Hospitality is key. The money being spent on that in the PL is eye watering. It would be interesting to see the numbers for the fans zone for last season and this season but even those would only scratch the surface of what could be brought in. When we buy a season ticket most of us don’t even pay half of what a matchday experience can cost in the London PL teams.

27k will just mean we’d we would only be treading water until the season we get relegated again.

Think 27k is fine, the Amex is 31k, the Gtech is 18k, Craven Cottage is 29k, so we're in the sweet zone, don't see increasing to 40k is anything at the moment more than vanity. But all three of those stadiums make a ton of cash on hospitality, and just more general admission tickets probably isn't the problem

Agreed. The Curbs stand exec boxes are poor quality, and lack a separate lounge, that's where a major upgrade is needed.

The JS needs a complete rebuild, including demolishing the banking it's currently sitting on, which wastes the space underneath it.

You can’t demolish earth. You’d have to dig it out and reinforce retaining walls at enormous cost before even starting construction. For that reason I think any redevelopment at that end is building on the existing bank (as with both the Covered End and Curbs)

The rake isn't great, but the lower Covered End isn't banking, hence it has toilets and bars underneath it.

The Curbs has the complication of the sewer underneath it, but was a completely new construction, with a steep rake, and the flat concourse area near the back.

Pretty certain the lower covered end is the same banking that was first built up in the 20s and covered in the 30s. When the new stand was built early 2000s it built out the back - it didn’t touch the original (albeit man made) banking.

Compare a picture of Sam Bartram in front of the Covered End and the same view today, and you will see that the lower bank is identical - the entrances into the stand remain in exactly the same place. That part of the stand is as it was in the 1930s.

underneath the Curbs is the original bank. A wedge was cut in for the concourse, but it’s essentially the original (and amended) chalk cliff below.

The Jimmy Seed is the original chalk cliff (albeit reshaped for terracing in the 20s).

The lower Covered End IS historic yes, but unlike the JS is a proper stand, built on flat ground. Hence it has the concourse underneath it, and vomitories leading to the seating.

The JS is just seats and a roof on banking. Hence the facilities are slightly inadequate buildings at the back of it, and entering and exiting the stand is quite slow. I would also wonder before expanding the stand how long that banking will last for.

SporadicAddick · October 10

Covered End said:

A pointless thread.
We won't be doing any stadium expansion until we own the freehold and there's no sign of that happening in the near future.

90% of the threads on this forum (including those on the accuracy of statistics) are pointless.

Off_it · October 10

Covered End said:

A pointless thread.
We won't be doing any stadium expansion until we own the freehold and there's no sign of that happening in the near future.

Is the correct answer.

Banking or no banking. Consecrated ground or no consecrated ground.

Callumcafc · October 10

Dark horse for thread of the year

letthegoodtimesroll · 7:01AM

sam3110 said:

It's similar to St. James in that respect, they have 2 massive stands but can't develop the other 2 due to restrictions. Due to the nature of The Valley and the surrounding area you can probably build the JS almost as big as you want, and given the space behind the West Stand, I reckon that could also go bigger if absolutely needed, without the need for anything on the Curbside

The West Stand does offer more options for further expansion but i doubt we would need to go down that route in any foreseeable future.

What the West Stand car park does offer at this moment in time though is the space to build an extension at the back of the West Stand to house additional hospitality suites.

SoundAsa£ · 9:15AM

stoneroses19 said:

SoundAsa£ said:

It would seem the whole thing is something of a minefield.
So many different opinions and posters with differing view points.
It’s most confusing if you ask me, I certainly can’t work out what’s factual.
So……is it viable or not?

If all you wanted was a quick firm yes or no, not sure why you started the thread. Theres been some interesting, factual, and useful responses.

It was of course a rhetorical question……or are you too daft to realise that?
I have been delighted with most of the comments and there are certainly a whole host of interesting suggestions and opinions being made.
I realise I am banging on a bit but it’s a subject which I am very much interested in and close to my heart into the bargain.

Airman Brown · 10:11AM

letthegoodtimesroll said:

sam3110 said:

It's similar to St. James in that respect, they have 2 massive stands but can't develop the other 2 due to restrictions. Due to the nature of The Valley and the surrounding area you can probably build the JS almost as big as you want, and given the space behind the West Stand, I reckon that could also go bigger if absolutely needed, without the need for anything on the Curbside

The West Stand does offer more options for further expansion but i doubt we would need to go down that route in any foreseeable future.

What the West Stand car park does offer at this moment in time though is the space to build an extension at the back of the West Stand to house additional hospitality suites.

The club struggled to sell the amount of hospitality it had in the Premier League. Things move on but I wouldn’t just assume there is an unlimited market.

gringo · 10:18AM

fenaddick · 10:38AM

Airman Brown said:

letthegoodtimesroll said:

sam3110 said:

It's similar to St. James in that respect, they have 2 massive stands but can't develop the other 2 due to restrictions. Due to the nature of The Valley and the surrounding area you can probably build the JS almost as big as you want, and given the space behind the West Stand, I reckon that could also go bigger if absolutely needed, without the need for anything on the Curbside

The West Stand does offer more options for further expansion but i doubt we would need to go down that route in any foreseeable future.

What the West Stand car park does offer at this moment in time though is the space to build an extension at the back of the West Stand to house additional hospitality suites.

The club struggled to sell the amount of hospitality it had in the Premier League. Things move on but I wouldn’t just assume there is an unlimited market.

Think it’s hard to understand just how much bigger the PL has got and therefore how much the demand for hospitality has increased. However, we wouldn’t need to increase hospitality capacity immediately. More important would be improving the quality of what’s on offer as it definitely isn’t PL standard

Karim_myBagheri · 10:43AM

Hospitality is huge in the premier League. Which is to detriment of the atmosphere and the upper reaches of the sport in general.

letthegoodtimesroll · 1:36PM

Airman Brown said:

letthegoodtimesroll said:

sam3110 said:

It's similar to St. James in that respect, they have 2 massive stands but can't develop the other 2 due to restrictions. Due to the nature of The Valley and the surrounding area you can probably build the JS almost as big as you want, and given the space behind the West Stand, I reckon that could also go bigger if absolutely needed, without the need for anything on the Curbside

The West Stand does offer more options for further expansion but i doubt we would need to go down that route in any foreseeable future.

What the West Stand car park does offer at this moment in time though is the space to build an extension at the back of the West Stand to house additional hospitality suites.

The club struggled to sell the amount of hospitality it had in the Premier League. Things move on but I wouldn’t just assume there is an unlimited market.

It’s definitely moved on since then and fans/people are willing to pay up for hospitality packages. As I mentioned elsewhere the prices that they are willing to pay for single games in the PL can be more than most of us are paying for our season tickets, certainly those of us on the Lower North, but I've heard numbers for big games that surpass the cost of STs in the other Valley stands.

We definitely need to be ready to tap into that if and when we go up but if we maintain and improve on the crowds we've been getting so far in the Championship then we should be selling out the hospitality packages we have so far and already looking to expand capacity for them.

Planning permission for an extra tier on The Curbside?

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