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Planning permission for an extra tier on The Curbside?

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  • stoneroses19
    stoneroses19 Posts: 7,213
    SoundAsa£ said:
    It would seem the whole thing is something of a minefield.
    So many different opinions and posters with differing view points.
    It’s most confusing if you ask me, I certainly can’t work out what’s factual.
    So……is it viable or not?

    If all you wanted was a quick firm yes or no, not sure why you started the thread. Theres been some interesting, factual, and useful responses.
  • letthegoodtimesroll
    letthegoodtimesroll Posts: 10,613
    Teams like Bournemouth and Brentford with small capacity grounds are simply just treading water in the PL. that they manage to stay up is basically down to the fact that they have hit a sweet spot with a manager or players, or both, but that never lasts, plus usually there are other teams that are far worse. The TV money helps them ‘compete’ but that’s basically an illusion. If they were to get into a European competition it would probably wipe them out financially. When we were in the PL clubs probably really needed a 40k capacity to really compete. That bar has been raised since then. That we would have to increase th capacity of the ground if we want to compete is a given. It’s just a question of when. Waiting h til we get to the PL and the ground sells out every week will only likely mean reducing the capacity whilst work goes on and that’s not necessarily a great idea.

    the Curbs stand is integral to expanding the Jimmy Seed, which what will boost capacity the most.and has to be done first. It’s also a good opportunity to make the most of that concourse behind the stand. 

    Building on the consecrated ground is not necessarily that much of an issue I would have thought. They were all Charlton fans, That their ashes would literally be cemented into the stadium rather than tucked out of sight sounds much better imo. We could call it the memorial corner.



  • SE9toDA2
    SE9toDA2 Posts: 141
    In the original plans for es corner the memorial garden would stay where it is and be accessible not cemented into the stand.

    the east/curbs stand was to have a extra row of exec boxes plus about 6 extra rows of seats. The existing concourse was to be covered and function room/bar created above the existing concourse. Because the roof would have been raised a living wall was to be included at the back of the stand as it would go right up to the back gardens.

    The original plans did have some accommodation in the ES corner which I think wouldn’t be possible now because we sold the house by the Sam Bartram entrance 
  • Rothko
    Rothko Posts: 18,800
    We would be fine with just 27k seats, loads of clubs do it in the Premier League on about that or less, but we do really lack decent hospitality, might need the club to move the offices out of the Valley as a start in the short term to free up bits of space here and there. 
  • Elthamaddick
    Elthamaddick Posts: 15,808
    the ground would look superb with the corners filled in, new roof on the JS and it maybe taken back a bit in a big single tier - might squeeze another 5k seat in total taking capacity up to say 32k - more than enough for us. Curved big screen could stay in the same corner a bit like it is at West Brom and away fans be allocated the SW corner and the right side of behind the goal.

    connect all the roofs up and the stadium would be unreal
  • letthegoodtimesroll
    letthegoodtimesroll Posts: 10,613
    Elthamaddick said:
    the ground would look superb with the corners filled in, new roof on the JS and it maybe taken back a bit in a big single tier - might squeeze another 5k seat in total taking capacity up to say 32k - more than enough for us. Curved big screen could stay in the same corner a bit like it is at West Brom and away fans be allocated the SW corner and the right side of behind the goal.

    connect all the roofs up and the stadium would be unreal
    The ground would look and intimidating to away teams and away fans. Also the original plans would have raised it to 40k. It would be a waste of money to increase it to anything less if we want to compete at the top level. 
  • letthegoodtimesroll
    letthegoodtimesroll Posts: 10,613
    edited October 10
    Rothko said:
    We would be fine with just 27k seats, loads of clubs do it in the Premier League on about that or less, but we do really lack decent hospitality, might need the club to move the offices out of the Valley as a start in the short term to free up bits of space here and there. 
    Hospitality is key. The money being spent on that in the PL is eye watering. It would be interesting to see the numbers for the fans zone for last season and this season but even those would only scratch the surface of what could be brought in. When we buy a season ticket most of us don’t even pay half of what a matchday experience can cost in the London PL teams. 

    27k will just mean we’d we would only be treading water until the season we get relegated again. 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,839
    letthegoodtimesroll said:
    Elthamaddick said:
    the ground would look superb with the corners filled in, new roof on the JS and it maybe taken back a bit in a big single tier - might squeeze another 5k seat in total taking capacity up to say 32k - more than enough for us. Curved big screen could stay in the same corner a bit like it is at West Brom and away fans be allocated the SW corner and the right side of behind the goal.

    connect all the roofs up and the stadium would be unreal
    The ground would look and intimidating to away teams and away fans. Also the original plans would have raised it to 40k. It would be a waste of money to increase it to anything less if we want to compete at the top level. 
    40k would be way too large outside of the PL, and realistically we're never going to be a permanent top flight team. 
  • Rothko
    Rothko Posts: 18,800
    letthegoodtimesroll said:
    Rothko said:
    We would be fine with just 27k seats, loads of clubs do it in the Premier League on about that or less, but we do really lack decent hospitality, might need the club to move the offices out of the Valley as a start in the short term to free up bits of space here and there. 
    Hospitality is key. The money being spent on that in the PL is eye watering. It would be interesting to see the numbers for the fans zone for last season and this season but even those would only scratch the surface of what could be brought in. When we buy a season ticket most of us don’t even pay half of what a matchday experience can cost in the London PL teams. 

    27k will just mean we’d we would only be treading water until the season we get relegated again. 
    Think 27k is fine, the Amex is 31k, the Gtech is 18k, Craven Cottage is 29k, so we're in the sweet zone, don't see increasing to 40k is anything at the moment more than vanity. But all three of those stadiums make a ton of cash on hospitality, and just more general admission tickets probably isn't the problem

  • letthegoodtimesroll
    letthegoodtimesroll Posts: 10,613
    killerandflash said:
    letthegoodtimesroll said:
    Elthamaddick said:
    the ground would look superb with the corners filled in, new roof on the JS and it maybe taken back a bit in a big single tier - might squeeze another 5k seat in total taking capacity up to say 32k - more than enough for us. Curved big screen could stay in the same corner a bit like it is at West Brom and away fans be allocated the SW corner and the right side of behind the goal.

    connect all the roofs up and the stadium would be unreal
    The ground would look and intimidating to away teams and away fans. Also the original plans would have raised it to 40k. It would be a waste of money to increase it to anything less if we want to compete at the top level. 
    40k would be way too large outside of the PL, and realistically we're never going to be a permanent top flight team. 
    27k probably won’t be enough on its own to stay in the Championship more than a few seasons. It’s becoming too expensive year by year and the tv money outside the PL isn’t enough to sustain it. People criticise the Sheff Wed owner but I suspect that scenario is going to become a lot more common in the not too distant future. The PL and staying there has to be the aim, at least until a PL2 is created and the pyramid is set loose.
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  • randy andy
    randy andy Posts: 5,454
    SoundAsa£ said:
    DOUCHER said:
    SoundAsa£ said:
    se9addick said:
    The main obstacle is that it would be an insane waste of money currently!
    Well yes, I think that’s a given. it’s something for the future of course……I doubt I’ll live long enough to see it happen anyway.
    The reality is that if was to be deemed impossible The Valley (as things stand), will never hold more than approximately 30,000.
    For a well established London Premiership club that’s not going to be acceptable. IMHO.😕

    Developing the south stand could take it well over 30,000.  
    Explain…..it holds around 3,000 now, assuming approximately another 3,000 would be  obtainable on the upper level, it would bring us to just around 30,000.
    The current stand is a wedge shape, i.e. the back is narrower than the front. So Assuming you take the stand directly back, even at it's current depth it would be around 4k, compared to the current 3.3k.

    Now if I was redeveloping it I would have it as a single tier that goes back more than double the current depth, allowing for a stand holding around 9k. Add in another 1.5k in the SE corner and maybe another 0.5-1k in the SW corner (would still need to integrate police box and large tunnel for pitch access. That gives a capacity increase of around 8k, giving a new capacity around the 35k mark (minus any segregation loss). This would of course require obtaining the land (and the low level block of flats) currently behind the Jimmy Seed
  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 21,241
    Raise the Curbs roof to the same level as the CE, put in more exec boxes in the gap. Fill in the SW Corner and redevelop the JS stand to be similar to the CE and you'd have something in the region of The Riverside or City Ground, between 30-35k depending on the exact layout and space used. I would also fill in the SE corner but understand that might not happen due to the memorial garden and big screen. 

    Also with regards to the SW Corner being the current access for ambulances etc, most stadiums now just have tunnels built in for stuff like that, like the corners at Wembley, so that wouldn't be an issue, and the control tower would probably have to be torn down and replaced with a box up in the new SW corner
  • Rothko
    Rothko Posts: 18,800
    edited October 10
    letthegoodtimesroll said:
    killerandflash said:
    letthegoodtimesroll said:
    Elthamaddick said:
    the ground would look superb with the corners filled in, new roof on the JS and it maybe taken back a bit in a big single tier - might squeeze another 5k seat in total taking capacity up to say 32k - more than enough for us. Curved big screen could stay in the same corner a bit like it is at West Brom and away fans be allocated the SW corner and the right side of behind the goal.

    connect all the roofs up and the stadium would be unreal
    The ground would look and intimidating to away teams and away fans. Also the original plans would have raised it to 40k. It would be a waste of money to increase it to anything less if we want to compete at the top level. 
    40k would be way too large outside of the PL, and realistically we're never going to be a permanent top flight team. 
    27k probably won’t be enough on its own to stay in the Championship more than a few seasons. It’s becoming too expensive year by year and the tv money outside the PL isn’t enough to sustain it. People criticise the Sheff Wed owner but I suspect that scenario is going to become a lot more common in the not too distant future. The PL and staying there has to be the aim, at least until a PL2 is created and the pyramid is set loose.
    Hillsborough is an outlier and a burden to the club. The Majority of Championship stadiums are between 25k to 33k. The Valley is a little bit smaller then the Bet365, Carrow Road or Portman Road, but you would always say they are Premier League ready stadiums. 

    You would look at Ashton Gate and think it's good for the Premier League, but it's smaller than the Valley. 

  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 35,994
    SoundAsa£ said:
    DOUCHER said:
    SoundAsa£ said:
    se9addick said:
    The main obstacle is that it would be an insane waste of money currently!
    Well yes, I think that’s a given. it’s something for the future of course……I doubt I’ll live long enough to see it happen anyway.
    The reality is that if was to be deemed impossible The Valley (as things stand), will never hold more than approximately 30,000.
    For a well established London Premiership club that’s not going to be acceptable. IMHO.😕

    Developing the south stand could take it well over 30,000.  
    Explain…..it holds around 3,000 now, assuming approximately another 3,000 would be  obtainable on the upper level, it would bring us to just around 30,000.
    If you added a second tier to the JS stand, then by filling in the corners as well you'd easily add another 5k (maybe more). So that would take it over 35k.
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 35,994
    SoundAsa£ said:
    se9addick said:
    The main obstacle is that it would be an insane waste of money currently!
    Well yes, I think that’s a given.
    It’s something for the future of course……I doubt I’ll live long enough to see it happen anyway.
    The reality is that if it was to be deemed impossible then The Valley (as things stand), will never hold more than approximately 30,000.
    For a well established London Premiership club, that’s not going to be acceptable. IMHO.😕

    Palace (13 years)
    Fulham (4 years)
    Brentford (5 years)

    All have capacities below 30k and are doing just fine.

    There's also Brighton (9 years) who have a capacity of just under 32k, which we would get above by filling the corners in. 
  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 21,241
    The Covered End is listed as 9743 seats, so would stand to reason that if you replicate it for the Jimmy Seed, you'd be adding 6400 or so seats. If we were ambitious enough to fill the SW Corner with a 2 tiered stand, you can easily see us hitting 35k.

    The original expansion plan with both corners filled, the raised Curbs stand and a bigger JS stand was hitting 40k
  • letthegoodtimesroll
    letthegoodtimesroll Posts: 10,613
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    SoundAsa£ said:
    se9addick said:
    The main obstacle is that it would be an insane waste of money currently!
    Well yes, I think that’s a given.
    It’s something for the future of course……I doubt I’ll live long enough to see it happen anyway.
    The reality is that if it was to be deemed impossible then The Valley (as things stand), will never hold more than approximately 30,000.
    For a well established London Premiership club, that’s not going to be acceptable. IMHO.😕

    Palace (13 years)
    Fulham (4 years)
    Brentford (5 years)

    All have capacities below 30k and are doing just fine.

    There's also Brighton (9 years) who have a capacity of just under 32k, which we would get above by filling the corners in. 
    That’s a business plan relying upon there being 3 worse teams every season and your scouts continuing to uncover some real cut price gems of players to replace the ones that get poached and having a manager that can get the team punching above its weight. Palace have long outstayed their welcome, mostly because of Woy, Brentford have lost the manager that transformed them, Fulham and Brighton had some yo-yo seasons to sort themselves out but few clubs make that approach pay.
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 35,994
    letthegoodtimesroll said:
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    SoundAsa£ said:
    se9addick said:
    The main obstacle is that it would be an insane waste of money currently!
    Well yes, I think that’s a given.
    It’s something for the future of course……I doubt I’ll live long enough to see it happen anyway.
    The reality is that if it was to be deemed impossible then The Valley (as things stand), will never hold more than approximately 30,000.
    For a well established London Premiership club, that’s not going to be acceptable. IMHO.😕

    Palace (13 years)
    Fulham (4 years)
    Brentford (5 years)

    All have capacities below 30k and are doing just fine.

    There's also Brighton (9 years) who have a capacity of just under 32k, which we would get above by filling the corners in. 
    That’s a business plan relying upon there being 3 worse teams every season and your scouts continuing to uncover some real cut price gems of players to replace the ones that get poached and having a manager that can get the team punching above its weight. Palace have long outstayed their welcome, mostly because of Woy, Brentford have lost the manager that transformed them, Fulham and Brighton had some yo-yo seasons to sort themselves out but few clubs make that approach pay.
    Ok but you appear to be making a point about something entirely different to this thread. We're not discussing a teams ability to stay in the league.

    The point i replied to was that a 30k capacity for a well established London Premier league club isn't acceptable. But clearly it is perfectly acceptable because of the incredible tv money that PL teams get. The team that finishes bottom of the premier league earns more in tv revenue than Bayern Munich.
  • KingKinsella
    KingKinsella Posts: 1,309
    Stig said:
    I want to extend the capacity of my house, I'm thinking of putting an extra room with a dormer window up in the neighbours loft. What would be the possibility of me getting planning permission for this? 
    Can you see  the pitch from there?

  • KingKinsella
    KingKinsella Posts: 1,309
    Elthamaddick said:
    the ground would look superb with the corners filled in, new roof on the JS and it maybe taken back a bit in a big single tier - might squeeze another 5k seat in total taking capacity up to say 32k - more than enough for us. Curved big screen could stay in the same corner a bit like it is at West Brom and away fans be allocated the SW corner and the right side of behind the goal.

    connect all the roofs up and the stadium would be unreal
    and put (?more) solar panels on them
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  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,839
    Rothko said:
    letthegoodtimesroll said:
    Rothko said:
    We would be fine with just 27k seats, loads of clubs do it in the Premier League on about that or less, but we do really lack decent hospitality, might need the club to move the offices out of the Valley as a start in the short term to free up bits of space here and there. 
    Hospitality is key. The money being spent on that in the PL is eye watering. It would be interesting to see the numbers for the fans zone for last season and this season but even those would only scratch the surface of what could be brought in. When we buy a season ticket most of us don’t even pay half of what a matchday experience can cost in the London PL teams. 

    27k will just mean we’d we would only be treading water until the season we get relegated again. 
    Think 27k is fine, the Amex is 31k, the Gtech is 18k, Craven Cottage is 29k, so we're in the sweet zone, don't see increasing to 40k is anything at the moment more than vanity. But all three of those stadiums make a ton of cash on hospitality, and just more general admission tickets probably isn't the problem

    Agreed. The Curbs stand exec boxes are poor quality,  and lack a separate lounge, that's where a major upgrade is needed.

    The JS needs a complete rebuild,  including demolishing the banking it's currently sitting on, which wastes the space underneath it.
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,757
    Bournemouth, currently in 4th place so assuming they avoid relegation, will have been in the PL for 10 of the previous 12 years. Their capacity is 11,307 and even with expansion it's not going to be much more than 20,000.  
  • letthegoodtimesroll
    letthegoodtimesroll Posts: 10,613
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    letthegoodtimesroll said:
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    SoundAsa£ said:
    se9addick said:
    The main obstacle is that it would be an insane waste of money currently!
    Well yes, I think that’s a given.
    It’s something for the future of course……I doubt I’ll live long enough to see it happen anyway.
    The reality is that if it was to be deemed impossible then The Valley (as things stand), will never hold more than approximately 30,000.
    For a well established London Premiership club, that’s not going to be acceptable. IMHO.😕

    Palace (13 years)
    Fulham (4 years)
    Brentford (5 years)

    All have capacities below 30k and are doing just fine.

    There's also Brighton (9 years) who have a capacity of just under 32k, which we would get above by filling the corners in. 
    That’s a business plan relying upon there being 3 worse teams every season and your scouts continuing to uncover some real cut price gems of players to replace the ones that get poached and having a manager that can get the team punching above its weight. Palace have long outstayed their welcome, mostly because of Woy, Brentford have lost the manager that transformed them, Fulham and Brighton had some yo-yo seasons to sort themselves out but few clubs make that approach pay.
    Ok but you appear to be making a point about something entirely different to this thread. We're not discussing a teams ability to stay in the league.

    The point i replied to was that a 30k capacity for a well established London Premier league club isn't acceptable. But clearly it is perfectly acceptable because of the incredible tv money that PL teams get. The team that finishes bottom of the premier league earns more in tv revenue than Bayern Munich.
    The revenues a club can generate on top of the tv money are fundamental to staying in the PL. Ipswich made a £39 million loss in their last season in the Championship. The parachute money of £48m and £38m (?) they will get won’t go that far.

    not sure it worked out too well for Luton getting parachute money.






  • Rothko
    Rothko Posts: 18,800
    letthegoodtimesroll said:
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    letthegoodtimesroll said:
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    SoundAsa£ said:
    se9addick said:
    The main obstacle is that it would be an insane waste of money currently!
    Well yes, I think that’s a given.
    It’s something for the future of course……I doubt I’ll live long enough to see it happen anyway.
    The reality is that if it was to be deemed impossible then The Valley (as things stand), will never hold more than approximately 30,000.
    For a well established London Premiership club, that’s not going to be acceptable. IMHO.😕

    Palace (13 years)
    Fulham (4 years)
    Brentford (5 years)

    All have capacities below 30k and are doing just fine.

    There's also Brighton (9 years) who have a capacity of just under 32k, which we would get above by filling the corners in. 
    That’s a business plan relying upon there being 3 worse teams every season and your scouts continuing to uncover some real cut price gems of players to replace the ones that get poached and having a manager that can get the team punching above its weight. Palace have long outstayed their welcome, mostly because of Woy, Brentford have lost the manager that transformed them, Fulham and Brighton had some yo-yo seasons to sort themselves out but few clubs make that approach pay.
    Ok but you appear to be making a point about something entirely different to this thread. We're not discussing a teams ability to stay in the league.

    The point i replied to was that a 30k capacity for a well established London Premier league club isn't acceptable. But clearly it is perfectly acceptable because of the incredible tv money that PL teams get. The team that finishes bottom of the premier league earns more in tv revenue than Bayern Munich.
    The revenues a club can generate on top of the tv money are fundamental to staying in the PL. Ipswich made a £39 million loss in their last season in the Championship. The parachute money of £48m and £38m (?) they will get won’t go that far.

    not sure it worked out too well for Luton getting parachute money.






    But you make money, not on more general admission tickets, but on selling hospitality, so any expansion needs to focus on that, as much as it seems a bit touristy. You seem to be arguing for more seats at £30
  • letthegoodtimesroll
    letthegoodtimesroll Posts: 10,613
    edited 7:57AM
    Rothko said:
    letthegoodtimesroll said:
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    letthegoodtimesroll said:
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    SoundAsa£ said:
    se9addick said:
    The main obstacle is that it would be an insane waste of money currently!
    Well yes, I think that’s a given.
    It’s something for the future of course……I doubt I’ll live long enough to see it happen anyway.
    The reality is that if it was to be deemed impossible then The Valley (as things stand), will never hold more than approximately 30,000.
    For a well established London Premiership club, that’s not going to be acceptable. IMHO.😕

    Palace (13 years)
    Fulham (4 years)
    Brentford (5 years)

    All have capacities below 30k and are doing just fine.

    There's also Brighton (9 years) who have a capacity of just under 32k, which we would get above by filling the corners in. 
    That’s a business plan relying upon there being 3 worse teams every season and your scouts continuing to uncover some real cut price gems of players to replace the ones that get poached and having a manager that can get the team punching above its weight. Palace have long outstayed their welcome, mostly because of Woy, Brentford have lost the manager that transformed them, Fulham and Brighton had some yo-yo seasons to sort themselves out but few clubs make that approach pay.
    Ok but you appear to be making a point about something entirely different to this thread. We're not discussing a teams ability to stay in the league.

    The point i replied to was that a 30k capacity for a well established London Premier league club isn't acceptable. But clearly it is perfectly acceptable because of the incredible tv money that PL teams get. The team that finishes bottom of the premier league earns more in tv revenue than Bayern Munich.
    The revenues a club can generate on top of the tv money are fundamental to staying in the PL. Ipswich made a £39 million loss in their last season in the Championship. The parachute money of £48m and £38m (?) they will get won’t go that far.

    not sure it worked out too well for Luton getting parachute money.






    But you make money, not on more general admission tickets, but on selling hospitality, so any expansion needs to focus on that, as much as it seems a bit touristy. You seem to be arguing for more seats at £30
    You need a balance and more than one revenue stream. Hospitality brings in the high dollar day trippers but below that there is the rest of the pyramid and the bottom the fans zone/fans bar(s) revenues, but increase the capacity by say 5k or 10k and those extra ticket sales and merchandising can also bring in a tidy sum which could make all the difference and staying in the PL is all about being better than the 3 worse teams.
  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 7,894
    edited October 10
    SoundAsa£ said:
    DOUCHER said:
    SoundAsa£ said:
    se9addick said:
    The main obstacle is that it would be an insane waste of money currently!
    Well yes, I think that’s a given. it’s something for the future of course……I doubt I’ll live long enough to see it happen anyway.
    The reality is that if was to be deemed impossible The Valley (as things stand), will never hold more than approximately 30,000.
    For a well established London Premiership club that’s not going to be acceptable. IMHO.😕

    Developing the south stand could take it well over 30,000.  
    Explain…..it holds around 3,000 now, assuming approximately another 3,000 would be  obtainable on the upper level, it would bring us to just around 30,000.
    3000 now - another tier on top the same size 3000 and the 2 corners another 1500 each so a minimum of a 6000 increase would take us to 32,500. The upper tier however would likely (no reason why not) be bigger so i reckon another 5000 on top and 2000 each corner so a 9000 increase giving 35,500. Potentially more - there's a lot of vacant space at that end.  
  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 28,838
    edited October 10
    letthegoodtimesroll said:

    Building on the consecrated ground is not necessarily that much of an issue I would have thought. They were all Charlton fans, That their ashes would literally be cemented into the stadium rather than tucked out of sight sounds much better imo. We could call it the memorial corner.


    It absolutely is an issue to build on consecrated ground.

    But there is no consecrated ground at The Valley ffs. Why are people still going with this?
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,618
    Not sure why the football club would entertain even considering this when they don’t own the stadium. 
  • SporadicAddick
    SporadicAddick Posts: 6,846
    killerandflash said:
    Rothko said:
    letthegoodtimesroll said:
    Rothko said:
    We would be fine with just 27k seats, loads of clubs do it in the Premier League on about that or less, but we do really lack decent hospitality, might need the club to move the offices out of the Valley as a start in the short term to free up bits of space here and there. 
    Hospitality is key. The money being spent on that in the PL is eye watering. It would be interesting to see the numbers for the fans zone for last season and this season but even those would only scratch the surface of what could be brought in. When we buy a season ticket most of us don’t even pay half of what a matchday experience can cost in the London PL teams. 

    27k will just mean we’d we would only be treading water until the season we get relegated again. 
    Think 27k is fine, the Amex is 31k, the Gtech is 18k, Craven Cottage is 29k, so we're in the sweet zone, don't see increasing to 40k is anything at the moment more than vanity. But all three of those stadiums make a ton of cash on hospitality, and just more general admission tickets probably isn't the problem

    Agreed. The Curbs stand exec boxes are poor quality,  and lack a separate lounge, that's where a major upgrade is needed.

    The JS needs a complete rebuild,  including demolishing the banking it's currently sitting on, which wastes the space underneath it.
    You can’t demolish earth. You’d have to dig it out and reinforce retaining walls at enormous cost before even starting construction. For that reason I think any redevelopment at that end is building on the existing bank (as with both the Covered End and Curbs)
  • paulsturgess
    paulsturgess Posts: 3,794
    Let’s stay up , eh?

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