After the Millwall game - club reply to CAST p34, further CAST response p45

Baldybonce

Algarveaddick said:

Baldybonce said:

Algarveaddick said:

Baldybonce said:

Algarveaddick said:

Forgive me if I am going over old ground (in a thread this long I suspect I am), but regarding the "Gate 21 Incident". As far as I know, other than the pitch, there are just two exits from the away end, the same way they come in and Gate 21? So with nearly 300 OB on duty, why in the name of Curbishley were there not half a dozen of them stationed outside Gate 21 for the duration? 

 

Cost. Simple as that.

Weegie Addick said:

Algarveaddick said:

Forgive me if I am going over old ground (in a thread this long I suspect I am), but regarding the "Gate 21 Incident". As far as I know, other than the pitch, there are just two exits from the away end, the same way they come in and Gate 21? So with nearly 300 OB on duty, why in the name of Curbishley were there not half a dozen of them stationed outside Gate 21 for the duration? 

 

The police were all outside the ground. Only stewards on duty inside The Valley. 

I did say stationed outside Gate 21, guys. And I meant half a dozen of the 300 odd that were already being paid to be on duty, most of them seemed to be doing sod all else by all accounts? 

Outside gate 21 is still inside the ground where the only Police on duty were inside or just outside of the control room.

Going by @TootingRedArmy's figures to have 6 Policemen on gate duty would have cost a LOT. The club obviously don't want to pay for Policing inside the ground and are prepared to suck up any incidents.

Schrodingers gate? How can outside the ground be inside the ground, BB?

But taking it that we are experiencing some kind of tear in the space time continuum or a parallel universe. Why were there no police at the nearest point to Gate 21 where the club don't have to pay? It's a valid question. There were 300 of them FFS, there are two points where the Millwall fans can potentially get out and kick off. 50% of them are that gate. If the police are so determined to avoid potential flashpoints that they are prepared to inconvenience 20000 Charlton fans, why did they not deploy half a dozen of their finest to that particular bit of street? 

I have never been involved in crowd control in my life, but if I had 300 employees stood around doing fuck all for a couple of hours and I had two entrances/exits to cover, I would have worked out that it might be an idea to positon a few of them at each...      

Outside of gate 21 is within the ground.
Hope this helps 

superclive98

bobmunro said:

TootingRedArmy said:

this is just a guessimate
but I would imagine you would need @15 police inside the away end of the ground ( 8hr shift? for football matches) cost @ £16,500 police +  50 stewards inside away end x 6hrs x £14 = £4200 @£21K TOTAL cost for police + stewards away end 

3,000 Millwall charge them £40 per ticket (whatever EFL allows)= £120,000? 

above from an  earlier post...(I CHAT GPT Met police hr rate to get £16.5k & stewards on £14 ph.

OK I understand £40 can't be charged (£38 last night at Portman rd) what is the maximum under EFL rules 

what isn't acceptable is fans safety is compromised by saving money, I obviously don't know exact numbers and figures but as a guessimate around £21K to police:steward the Away End 
+ 300 police outside the ground, surely they are needed as close as possible for potential trouble so a number of vans parked up directly behind the JS for quick response.
 
whats the deal if police enter the ground if trouble occurs does club pay are the police on the clock? 
feels a bit like a boozer with security on door, it kicks off and police come in and make arrest, this doesn't cost the pub? 
ultimately we pay through our taxes so its reasonable to expect answers and not accept what police have trotted out that Millwall away supporters in JS is a No Police zone. 

There is no maximum away ticket price in the EFL - they voted against having the cap at £30 like the PL.

The EFL rules state however that you cannot charge more for away tickets than the price in equivalent home areas. The equivalent home area at The Valley is the lower Covered End.

I wonder how many tickets are actually available in the CE lower? Surely most are taken up by season ticket holders?

superclive98

superclive98 said:

bobmunro said:

TootingRedArmy said:

this is just a guessimate
but I would imagine you would need @15 police inside the away end of the ground ( 8hr shift? for football matches) cost @ £16,500 police +  50 stewards inside away end x 6hrs x £14 = £4200 @£21K TOTAL cost for police + stewards away end 

3,000 Millwall charge them £40 per ticket (whatever EFL allows)= £120,000? 

above from an  earlier post...(I CHAT GPT Met police hr rate to get £16.5k & stewards on £14 ph.

OK I understand £40 can't be charged (£38 last night at Portman rd) what is the maximum under EFL rules 

what isn't acceptable is fans safety is compromised by saving money, I obviously don't know exact numbers and figures but as a guessimate around £21K to police:steward the Away End 
+ 300 police outside the ground, surely they are needed as close as possible for potential trouble so a number of vans parked up directly behind the JS for quick response.
 
whats the deal if police enter the ground if trouble occurs does club pay are the police on the clock? 
feels a bit like a boozer with security on door, it kicks off and police come in and make arrest, this doesn't cost the pub? 
ultimately we pay through our taxes so its reasonable to expect answers and not accept what police have trotted out that Millwall away supporters in JS is a No Police zone. 

There is no maximum away ticket price in the EFL - they voted against having the cap at £30 like the PL.

The EFL rules state however that you cannot charge more for away tickets than the price in equivalent home areas. The equivalent home area at The Valley is the lower Covered End.

I wonder how many tickets are actually available in the CE lower? Surely most are taken up by season ticket holders?

I'll answer my own question and the answer is lots.
I assumed that the cheaper season ticket prices would see them snapped up.