Nobody wants to be overweight or obese, but it's far more complicated than just eating too much. I can put weight in incredibly easily, but taking it off is very much harder.
If differs greatly from other addictions, as we all have to eat to live. We have to eat something and often the easiest things to eat are processed foods, which are quick and easy to prepare if time is short. Taking recreational drugs and drinking alcohol are choices, if you never start to use them, you won't become addicted.
So over eating is a mental health disease and other drugs are a choice, righto.
Pretty much as I expected.
Where did I say that over eating is a mental health disease? There are numerous reasons for over eating and others have given many of those.
It is a fact that we all have to eat to live. It is also a fact that taking recreational drugs and alcohol are choices, nobody has to start using them to live.
We all have to eat to live, but you don't have to live off of cake and crisps.
Some people become addicted to recreational drugs after taking pharmaceutical drugs.
When I was growing up in the 60s my parents used to buy crisps as a treat, I can remember my Dad buying boxes of crisps from a cash and carry and we used to look forward to it. My parents grew up in the war and were used to rationing, I'm sure they didn't want us to feel the deprivation they suffered and the dangers of salty, sugary foods weren't widely understood. I have had a love savoury snacks like crisps ever since.
School lunches often had sugary foods like Gypsy Tart and sponge and pink custard. They were not balanced like they are now.
My parents did understand that recreational drugs were not good and I had it drummed into me from an early age at home and school, that drugs are bad, so have never taken them.
Nobody wants to be overweight or obese, but it's far more complicated than just eating too much. I can put weight in incredibly easily, but taking it off is very much harder.
If differs greatly from other addictions, as we all have to eat to live. We have to eat something and often the easiest things to eat are processed foods, which are quick and easy to prepare if time is short. Taking recreational drugs and drinking alcohol are choices, if you never start to use them, you won't become addicted.
So over eating is a mental health disease and other drugs are a choice, righto.
Pretty much as I expected.
You can't possibly be serious here. You don't do yourself any favours with behaviour like this.
'Do myself any favours'... behaviour? Wtf are you talking about.
I'm commenting as someone with autism and adhd who understands what it's like to have issues with food and addiction.
Certainly no high horse, my issues are a disease and yours are a choice opinions coming from me.
I don’t buy the ‘I don’t have time to cook’ thing. Whenever I cook, I make sure there is enough for at least two sittings of food. It’s not a stretch to cook 4 meals and freeze 2. Quite quickly you will build up enough to be able to defrost meals when time is short.
It’s all about picking the right meals.
And. If you pick the right foodstuffs, you can cook very cheaply if you need to.
I don’t buy the ‘I don’t have time to cook’ thing. Whenever I cook, I make sure there is enough for at least two sittings of food. It’s not a stretch to cook 4 meals and freeze 2. Quite quickly you will build up enough to be able to defrost meals when time is short.
It’s all about picking the right meals.
And. If you pick the right foodstuffs, you can cook very cheaply if you need to.
Spag bol, stews, curry's are great in bulk and you can leave out all the junk... swap creams for yogurtetc.
We are having homemade pizzas tomorrow night, great fun with the 6 year old, no shit in the ingredients plus cheap and very quick to make
If we become too reliant on 'fat' jabs then we're basically giving up on health prevention strategies around healthy eating. We need to be more focused on improving diet and exercise.
People do have some degree of choice over what they eat and whether or not they exercise. There are plenty of parents out there who make bad food choices for their kids and set them up for an unhealthy life - some of this is down to laziness.
I hear you but if only it was as simple as that. Eating disorders are not a lifestyle choice. Yes, in Theory everyone could eat healthily and watch their calorific intake and exercise more but that’s not ever going to happen or even realistic. Most eating disorders are related to mental health issues and not laziness.
Too simple to label everyone as having an eating disorder- some do but in some cases it's down to laziness. We attribute far too much to mental health rather than personal choice.
If we simply medicalise obesity then we are just going down the path to normalising it which is what seems to be happening in society. It's become increasingly acceptable to overeat and to become less physically active - maybe we're just accepting it's inevitable.
What, like these guys?
This is why we have to do something drastic to take action and reverse the obesity trend.
I don’t buy the ‘I don’t have time to cook’ thing. Whenever I cook, I make sure there is enough for at least two sittings of food. It’s not a stretch to cook 4 meals and freeze 2. Quite quickly you will build up enough to be able to defrost meals when time is short.
It’s all about picking the right meals.
And. If you pick the right foodstuffs, you can cook very cheaply if you need to.
I have time to cook (everyone does in reality), I just have better things to do with that time.
If you are unsure if someone is on them or not, stand next to them when they burp or fart. I’ve had the joy of this today and my van now smells like sulphur and poo.
I know it isnt me, I've had a pretty excitable intestinal tract for the last few days and definitely do not have the confidence to have my anus open at any point unless its over a porcelain bowl. TMI I know
He told me both him and his wife are on them so I dread to think what his house smells like. He is losing weight though, every cloud
I don’t buy the ‘I don’t have time to cook’ thing. Whenever I cook, I make sure there is enough for at least two sittings of food. It’s not a stretch to cook 4 meals and freeze 2. Quite quickly you will build up enough to be able to defrost meals when time is short.
It’s all about picking the right meals.
And. If you pick the right foodstuffs, you can cook very cheaply if you need to.
What don’t you buy about it? Out of interest how many hours do you work a week? Not that it’s a competition but I do a lot and genuinely don’t usually have time to cook if I want to be in bed at a decent time. I batch cook sometimes but other times I don’t fancy having the same meal 3/4 times a week or once a week for a month.
If you are unsure if someone is on them or not, stand next to them when they burp or fart. I’ve had the joy of this today and my van now smells like sulphur and poo.
I know it isnt me, I've had a pretty excitable intestinal tract for the last few days and definitely do not have the confidence to have my anus open at any point unless its over a porcelain bowl. TMI I know
He told me both him and his wife are on them so I dread to think what his house smells like. He is losing weight though, every cloud
Depends on the individual how much they burp / fart and in whose company. Letting one rip on someone else’s van is a bit impolite.
My general digestion is 100 times better than it was when I was eating all sorts of crap and def fart less than before I started the jabs.
Smell of sulphur is a weird one to get use to though.
I don’t buy the ‘I don’t have time to cook’ thing. Whenever I cook, I make sure there is enough for at least two sittings of food. It’s not a stretch to cook 4 meals and freeze 2. Quite quickly you will build up enough to be able to defrost meals when time is short.
It’s all about picking the right meals.
And. If you pick the right foodstuffs, you can cook very cheaply if you need to.
Someone clearly doesn't have teenage boys in the house. Cook as much as you like. There'll be none left by dawn.
If you are unsure if someone is on them or not, stand next to them when they burp or fart. I’ve had the joy of this today and my van now smells like sulphur and poo.
I know it isnt me, I've had a pretty excitable intestinal tract for the last few days and definitely do not have the confidence to have my anus open at any point unless its over a porcelain bowl. TMI I know
He told me both him and his wife are on them so I dread to think what his house smells like. He is losing weight though, every cloud
Depends on the individual how much they burp / fart and in whose company. Letting one rip on someone else’s van is a bit impolite.
My general digestion is 100 times better than it was when I was eating all sorts of crap and def fart less than before I started the jabs.
Smell of sulphur is a weird one to get use to though.
In complete fairness I do exactly the same to him amd a few years ago nearly made him vomit with my own brand of chemical warfare.
The sulphur smell in isolation wouldn't be so awful but its that, mixed with him quite clearly having one in the breach
Apologies if what I'm about to say offends anyone but having followed this thread for a couple of days I can't resist to express my opinions now.
As an outsider from another complete different culture, this thread is eye-opening... I must admit many of you seem so easily misled. Treating obesity with jabs instead of controlling the amount of junk food/processed food you take in daily? Meanwhile, big food suppliers, pharmaceutical companies, hospitals, clinics, doctors and many other 3rd parties who have financial gains out of this must all be laughing their heads off.
This issue exists solely because of a lack of integrity from those organisations (and researchers!) and an alarmingly huge lack of collective awareness of the downsides of processed food, junk food and sugar etc. If a higher level of awareness of those kinds of stuff exists, many people won't get to half of their level of obesity in the first place let alone having to rely on any sort of medical treatment.
I'm sorry this all sounds very harsh but corporations and organisations deliberately pushing fat jabs to become the norm instead of addressing the harm of processed food, unhealthy diet, lack of exercise is simply morally wrong. I don't think any of you should be blamed. It's those organisations' (and the government's) fault.
Apologies if what I'm about to say offends anyone but having followed this thread for a couple of days I can't resist to express my opinions now.
As an outsider from another complete different culture, this thread is eye-opening... I must admit many of you seem so easily misled. Treating obesity with jabs instead of controlling the amount of junk food/processed food you take in daily? Meanwhile, big food suppliers, pharmaceutical companies, hospitals, clinics, doctors and many other 3rd parties who have financial gains out of this must all be laughing their heads off.
This issue exists solely because of a lack of integrity from those organisations (and researchers!) and an alarmingly huge lack of collective awareness of the downsides of processed food, junk food and sugar etc. If a higher level of awareness of those kinds of stuff exists, many people won't get to half of their level of obesity in the first place let alone having to rely on any sort of medical treatment.
I'm sorry this all sounds very harsh but corporations and organisations deliberately pushing fat jabs to become the norm instead of addressing the harm of processed food, unhealthy diet, lack of exercise is simply morally wrong. I don't think any of you should be blamed. It's those organisations' (and the government's) fault.
Who honestly doesn't know the dangers of processed food in this day and age? It's literally like saying we need more education about the dangers of smoking.
People know, they just keep doing it.
Would we tell people who use smoking patches to just get some willpower and avoid big corporations trying to make patches become the norm etc?
I think anyone who says that obesity is due to a lack of education is underestimating the size (literally) of the problem. As if you went up to an obese person and told them the benefits of broccoli and the drawbacks of fried mars bars they will all of a sudden have a road to Damascus moment. Some people have gluttony and laziness (when it comes to food) hardwired into their brains, I certainly do. Now I'm just lazy and not gluttonous. Those jabs are literally what stops people craving the processed food. It isn't about time, it isn't about money, it isn't about education, it's about craving sugar and fried food.
Fundamentally some people are not able to limit the amount of junk food they take in, because their hormones/brains work differently to yours, which is literally what these jabs change. Hearing from people who don't have this issue eulogizing about how people need to exercise more and eat differently is a) tedious and b) ignorant. I'm not even annoyed or blaming you, you're actually what I would call the "average" view on the jabs to be fair, both in terms of society and intelligence.
OK, I hope it works for you and it won't have any side effects and once you stop using it there will be no relapse issues. I sincerely hope so but... I don't think the chances are big.
If you're already there, ie. past the point of no return level of obesity, maybe medical treatment is the best solution but I'd like to reiterate that organisations and corporations delibrately pushing it is just wrong. It is almost like assuring people who aren't there yet 'hey don't worry there's a way to tackle the problem when you get fat. Just keep on with your current diet and life style'. This is a major issue. Your next generation is going to pay a huge price when they actually have the choice and can absolutely avoid being overweight, starting from a young age, as long as you provide an environment where the concept and the importance of eating healthy is engraved in their minds. It's not rocket science and it's how my people do it. How many of the overweight people get where they're solely because of hormones/brains?
I typed a much longer response but figured I'd better just shut up. You're right you can't talk someone out of smoking.
OK, I hope it works for you and it won't have any side effects and once you stop using it there will be no relapse issues. I sincerely hope so but... I don't think the chances are big.
If you're already there, ie. past the point of no return level of obesity, maybe medical treatment is the best solution but I'd like to reiterate that organisations and corporations delibrately pushing it is just wrong. It is almost like assuring people who aren't there yet 'hey don't worry there's a way to tackle the problem when you get fat. Just keep on with your current diet and life style'. This is a major issue. Your next generation is going to pay a huge price when they actually have the choice and can absolutely avoid being overweight, starting from a young age, as long as you provide an environment where the concept and the importance of eating healthy is engraved in their minds. It's not rocket science and it's how my people do it. How many of the overweight people get where they're solely because of hormones/brains?
I typed a much longer response but figured I'd better just shut up. You're right you can't talk someone out of smoking.
I am interested to hear where you are from (country, does not have to be specific). I know that Japan has had a lot of success in managing obesity through decades (50 years) of education and legislation. My outsider view of this is that even this long and legislated approach would not work in the UK or US due to other cultural variants (such as a ‘right’ to freedom in the US).
Whilst we have a 4 year revolving govt, we will not make change that affects obesity 1-2 generations down the line.
I am lazy. This is how and why I was overweight through a decade of laziness. This jab offers a shortcut to reset that and I am conscious it might not work, but for my own psychological well being, I have to try.
Unfortunately a lot of the processed food that people eat is a lot cheaper than buying fresh fruit & vegetables and making things yourself. A Greggs sausage roll is cheap and filling and if you are on a limited budget, it must be tempting to feed your family on this type of food.
Despite NICE giving the go ahead for the NHS to prescribe Mounjaro, very few are actually able to access it and unless you can afford to pay, many of the people most in need of the drug won't get it.
Like a lot of people who struggle with their weight, I find that it takes my body a long time to register that I am full, in that time it is very easy to overeat and achieve that feeling of satisfaction; Mounjaro would help with that.
Anyone who thinks that being obese is just being greedy, doesn't have a clue.
Unfortunately a lot of the processed food that people eat is a lot cheaper than buying fresh fruit & vegetables and making things yourself. A Greggs sausage roll is cheap and filling and if you are on a limited budget, it must be tempting to feed your family on this type of food.
Despite NICE giving the go ahead for the NHS to prescribe Mounjaro, very few are actually able to access it and unless you can afford to pay, many of the people most in need of the drug won't get it.
Like a lot of people who struggle with their weight, I find that it takes my body a long time to register that I am full, in that time it is very easy to overeat and achieve that feeling of satisfaction; Mounjaro would help with that.
Anyone who thinks that being obese is just being greedy, doesn't have a clue.
It's not a black and white situation. Obesity is a lack of control for many, whilst many others just enjoy gorging on unhealthy food. There's a small amount of people where there is an underlying condition slowing their metabolisms.
If it takes you long to feel full, eat slower. If you're still hungry you can eat more. Once you've over eaten there's little you can do (healthily) to change that
Unfortunately a lot of the processed food that people eat is a lot cheaper than buying fresh fruit & vegetables and making things yourself. A Greggs sausage roll is cheap and filling and if you are on a limited budget, it must be tempting to feed your family on this type of food.
That's not really the case though overall, you've picked the very extreme end of the scale. A McDonald's bigmac meal is £9 and fills 1 person up for a hour. I can make a cheap family meal for 3 for £10 full of nutrition and relatively healthy.
A Greg's sausage roll is a snack full of garbage and zero nutrition, takes 2 mins to chop some fruit/veg and make a wrap for a child.
Don't get me wrong, people on benefits and/or single parents must be having a really rough time right now.
To obtain Mounjaro on the NHS is frankly a joke. You need to be morbidly obese AND have four of five co- morbidities. At that point you are effectively a very sick person, already requiring medication and interventions. That’s not taking into account social considerations of being stage 3 obese. FWIW I think that Moujaro should be made available at the point of transition into stage 2 obesity which is a BMI index of 35+. At that point some of the worst co morbidities will be stating to manifest and with intervention might be stopped. Reaching Stage 2 the trend I would imagine without help is only going in one direction.
To obtain Mounjaro on the NHS is frankly a joke. You need to be morbidly obese AND have four of five co- morbidities. At that point you are effectively a very sick person, already requiring medication and interventions. That’s not taking into account social considerations of being stage 3 obese. FWIW I think that Moujaro should be made available at the point of transition into stage 2 obesity which is a BMI index of 35+. At that point some of the worst co morbidities will be stating to manifest and with intervention might be stopped. Reaching Stage 2 the trend I would imagine without help is only going in one direction.
Whilst here it’s available online, essentially OTC for £160ish for 10mg.
Unfortunately a lot of the processed food that people eat is a lot cheaper than buying fresh fruit & vegetables and making things yourself. A Greggs sausage roll is cheap and filling and if you are on a limited budget, it must be tempting to feed your family on this type of food.
Despite NICE giving the go ahead for the NHS to prescribe Mounjaro, very few are actually able to access it and unless you can afford to pay, many of the people most in need of the drug won't get it.
Like a lot of people who struggle with their weight, I find that it takes my body a long time to register that I am full, in that time it is very easy to overeat and achieve that feeling of satisfaction; Mounjaro would help with that.
Anyone who thinks that being obese is just being greedy, doesn't have a clue.
It's not a black and white situation. Obesity is a lack of control for many, whilst many others just enjoy gorging on unhealthy food. There's a small amount of people where there is an underlying condition slowing their metabolisms.
If it takes you long to feel full, eat slower. If you're still hungry you can eat more. Once you've over eaten there's little you can do (healthily) to change that
It's easy to say, but very much harder to do, a lot of people giving advice on her clearly don't understand how difficult it is to lose weight, but incredibly easy to put it on. It's also very much harder to exercise when you're overweight, so it's a vicious circle.
To obtain Mounjaro on the NHS is frankly a joke. You need to be morbidly obese AND have four of five co- morbidities. At that point you are effectively a very sick person, already requiring medication and interventions. That’s not taking into account social considerations of being stage 3 obese. FWIW I think that Mounjaro should be made available at the point of transition into stage 2 obesity which is a BMI index of 35+. At that point some of the worst co morbidities will be stating to manifest and with intervention might be stopped. Reaching Stage 2 the trend I would imagine without help is only going in one direction.
The costs of treating obesity could be very much reduced if Mounjaro were easily available, it should definitely be available to more people on the NHS, which will ultimately benefit if there are fewer people with weight related health issues.
Unfortunately a lot of the processed food that people eat is a lot cheaper than buying fresh fruit & vegetables and making things yourself. A Greggs sausage roll is cheap and filling and if you are on a limited budget, it must be tempting to feed your family on this type of food.
Despite NICE giving the go ahead for the NHS to prescribe Mounjaro, very few are actually able to access it and unless you can afford to pay, many of the people most in need of the drug won't get it.
Like a lot of people who struggle with their weight, I find that it takes my body a long time to register that I am full, in that time it is very easy to overeat and achieve that feeling of satisfaction; Mounjaro would help with that.
Anyone who thinks that being obese is just being greedy, doesn't have a clue.
It's not a black and white situation. Obesity is a lack of control for many, whilst many others just enjoy gorging on unhealthy food. There's a small amount of people where there is an underlying condition slowing their metabolisms.
If it takes you long to feel full, eat slower. If you're still hungry you can eat more. Once you've over eaten there's little you can do (healthily) to change that
It's easy to say, but very much harder to do, a lot of people giving advice on her clearly don't understand how difficult it is to lose weight, but incredibly easy to put it on. It's also very much harder to exercise when you're overweight, so it's a vicious circle.
If it were easy, nobody would be overweight.
You make it sound like no one can lose weight without the need of drugs, yet people manage to change their lives around every single day, education, desire and effort go a long way. These jabs definitely have their place but there needs to be more checks put in place beyond financial means.
I am Type 2 Diabetic and about a stone overweight, would this be suitable for me in the short term? If necessary, can I get it done privately? Is it a course of jabs, say over a six month period, how many jabs would I need?
Unfortunately a lot of the processed food that people eat is a lot cheaper than buying fresh fruit & vegetables and making things yourself. A Greggs sausage roll is cheap and filling and if you are on a limited budget, it must be tempting to feed your family on this type of food.
Despite NICE giving the go ahead for the NHS to prescribe Mounjaro, very few are actually able to access it and unless you can afford to pay, many of the people most in need of the drug won't get it.
Like a lot of people who struggle with their weight, I find that it takes my body a long time to register that I am full, in that time it is very easy to overeat and achieve that feeling of satisfaction; Mounjaro would help with that.
Anyone who thinks that being obese is just being greedy, doesn't have a clue.
It's not a black and white situation. Obesity is a lack of control for many, whilst many others just enjoy gorging on unhealthy food. There's a small amount of people where there is an underlying condition slowing their metabolisms.
If it takes you long to feel full, eat slower. If you're still hungry you can eat more. Once you've over eaten there's little you can do (healthily) to change that
It's easy to say, but very much harder to do, a lot of people giving advice on her clearly don't understand how difficult it is to lose weight, but incredibly easy to put it on. It's also very much harder to exercise when you're overweight, so it's a vicious circle.
If it were easy, nobody would be overweight.
You make it sound like no one can lose weight without the need of drugs, yet people manage to change their lives around every single day, education, desire and effort go a long way. These jabs definitely have their place but there needs to be more checks put in place beyond financial means.
It can be done without drugs of course, I have done it myself, but it isn't easy and very easy to go back to bad habits.
Changing your mindset is hard, for instance it's easy to think that if you have eaten something you shouldn't, you've blown it for that day and might as well eat what you want for the rest of the day. Changing how you think is key to losing weight, so instead of thinking I've blown that day, you need to think I'll carry on eating sensibly for the rest of the day and won't have done too much damage. The reasons for putting on weight are many and complex.
Last year I started to use an app called Noom, which counts calories, but also uses Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT), its database does include some UK foods but it was too American and I wasn't sure that the calorific values were correct. I now use Nutracheck which is UK based and has a huge database of foods. I have lost 2 stones without the use of drugs.
Again, I say that it is very easy to put on weight, but really hard to lose it and anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong.
I am Type 2 Diabetic and about a stone overweight, would this be suitable for me in the short term? If necessary, can I get it done privately? Is it a course of jabs, say over a six month period, how many jabs would I need?
I am Type 2 Diabetic and about a stone overweight, would this be suitable for me in the short term? If necessary, can I get it done privately? Is it a course of jabs, say over a six month period, how many jabs would I need?
I am Type 2 Diabetic and about a stone overweight, would this be suitable for me in the short term? If necessary, can I get it done privately? Is it a course of jabs, say over a six month period, how many jabs would I need?
To be honest @SoundAsa£ I think you should steer clear. At around 1st overweight you are in a perfect position to go it alone with a sensible and maintainable weight loss regime. If you analyse what you eat I’d guess you can easily identify what’s at the root of your being overweight and act accordingly. Try and squeeze in some brisk walking and more if that’s your thing. Trying Mounjaro as a short term fix at your weight would work no doubt but I’m pretty sure as soon as you stopped and without previously changing even by a little what you eat the weight would quickly return. Just my opinion.
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School lunches often had sugary foods like Gypsy Tart and sponge and pink custard. They were not balanced like they are now.
My parents did understand that recreational drugs were not good and I had it drummed into me from an early age at home and school, that drugs are bad, so have never taken them.
I'm commenting as someone with autism and adhd who understands what it's like to have issues with food and addiction.
Certainly no high horse, my issues are a disease and yours are a choice opinions coming from me.
Spag bol, stews, curry's are great in bulk and you can leave out all the junk... swap creams for yogurtetc.
We are having homemade pizzas tomorrow night, great fun with the 6 year old, no shit in the ingredients plus cheap and very quick to make
If you are unsure if someone is on them or not, stand next to them when they burp or fart. I’ve had the joy of this today and my van now smells like sulphur and poo.
I know it isnt me, I've had a pretty excitable intestinal tract for the last few days and definitely do not have the confidence to have my anus open at any point unless its over a porcelain bowl. TMI I know
He told me both him and his wife are on them so I dread to think what his house smells like. He is losing weight though, every cloud
None.
The sulphur smell in isolation wouldn't be so awful but its that, mixed with him quite clearly having one in the breach
As an outsider from another complete different culture, this thread is eye-opening... I must admit many of you seem so easily misled. Treating obesity with jabs instead of controlling the amount of junk food/processed food you take in daily? Meanwhile, big food suppliers, pharmaceutical companies, hospitals, clinics, doctors and many other 3rd parties who have financial gains out of this must all be laughing their heads off.
People know, they just keep doing it.
Would we tell people who use smoking patches to just get some willpower and avoid big corporations trying to make patches become the norm etc?
I think anyone who says that obesity is due to a lack of education is underestimating the size (literally) of the problem. As if you went up to an obese person and told them the benefits of broccoli and the drawbacks of fried mars bars they will all of a sudden have a road to Damascus moment. Some people have gluttony and laziness (when it comes to food) hardwired into their brains, I certainly do. Now I'm just lazy and not gluttonous. Those jabs are literally what stops people craving the processed food. It isn't about time, it isn't about money, it isn't about education, it's about craving sugar and fried food.
Fundamentally some people are not able to limit the amount of junk food they take in, because their hormones/brains work differently to yours, which is literally what these jabs change. Hearing from people who don't have this issue eulogizing about how people need to exercise more and eat differently is a) tedious and b) ignorant. I'm not even annoyed or blaming you, you're actually what I would call the "average" view on the jabs to be fair, both in terms of society and intelligence.
If you're already there, ie. past the point of no return level of obesity, maybe medical treatment is the best solution but I'd like to reiterate that organisations and corporations delibrately pushing it is just wrong. It is almost like assuring people who aren't there yet 'hey don't worry there's a way to tackle the problem when you get fat. Just keep on with your current diet and life style'. This is a major issue. Your next generation is going to pay a huge price when they actually have the choice and can absolutely avoid being overweight, starting from a young age, as long as you provide an environment where the concept and the importance of eating healthy is engraved in their minds. It's not rocket science and it's how my people do it. How many of the overweight people get where they're solely because of hormones/brains?
I typed a much longer response but figured I'd better just shut up. You're right you can't talk someone out of smoking.
Despite NICE giving the go ahead for the NHS to prescribe Mounjaro, very few are actually able to access it and unless you can afford to pay, many of the people most in need of the drug won't get it.
Like a lot of people who struggle with their weight, I find that it takes my body a long time to register that I am full, in that time it is very easy to overeat and achieve that feeling of satisfaction; Mounjaro would help with that.
Anyone who thinks that being obese is just being greedy, doesn't have a clue.
If it takes you long to feel full, eat slower. If you're still hungry you can eat more. Once you've over eaten there's little you can do (healthily) to change that
A Greg's sausage roll is a snack full of garbage and zero nutrition, takes 2 mins to chop some fruit/veg and make a wrap for a child.
Don't get me wrong, people on benefits and/or single parents must be having a really rough time right now.
Whilst here it’s available online, essentially OTC for £160ish for 10mg.
If it were easy, nobody would be overweight.
If necessary, can I get it done privately?
Is it a course of jabs, say over a six month period, how many jabs would I need?
Changing your mindset is hard, for instance it's easy to think that if you have eaten something you shouldn't, you've blown it for that day and might as well eat what you want for the rest of the day. Changing how you think is key to losing weight, so instead of thinking I've blown that day, you need to think I'll carry on eating sensibly for the rest of the day and won't have done too much damage. The reasons for putting on weight are many and complex.
Last year I started to use an app called Noom, which counts calories, but also uses Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT), its database does include some UK foods but it was too American and I wasn't sure that the calorific values were correct. I now use Nutracheck which is UK based and has a huge database of foods. I have lost 2 stones without the use of drugs.
Again, I say that it is very easy to put on weight, but really hard to lose it and anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong.