If we become too reliant on 'fat' jabs then we're basically giving up on health prevention strategies around healthy eating. We need to be more focused on improving diet and exercise.
People do have some degree of choice over what they eat and whether or not they exercise. There are plenty of parents out there who make bad food choices for their kids and set them up for an unhealthy life - some of this is down to laziness.
I hear you but if only it was as simple as that. Eating disorders are not a lifestyle choice. Yes, in Theory everyone could eat healthily and watch their calorific intake and exercise more but that’s not ever going to happen or even realistic. Most eating disorders are related to mental health issues and not laziness.
Too simple to label everyone as having an eating disorder- some do but in some cases it's down to laziness. We attribute far too much to mental health rather than personal choice.
Not according to the medical profession we don’t. Obesity stems from a multifactorial combination of genetic, environmental, societal, and behavioral factors
The medical profession that will profit massively from drugs based solutions rather than societal lifestyle changes and proper education about nutrition and cooking, hardly surprising.
Rubbish. The drug companies will benefit but how on earth you see that also affecting medics is certainly in the UK a non argument.
Have you heard of OxyCotton? Have a read a read about The Sackler Family, it will quite clearly show how doctors, charities and advisory groups can all be manipulated in the name of money, if you think what happens elsewhere (mostly America) doesn’t impact the UK and the rest of the world, you’re loopy.
Pharmaceutical companies market their drugs directly to the doctors in the USA, something we obviously don't allow here, so Oxycontin is actually a really good case for supporting Shooters' argument.
Pharma companies are still bastards, and to your point they are manipulative the world over. But not in the same way. They have to find other ways to achieve what the Sacklers did, and given that we haven't had anywhere near the levels of opioid deaths, it's safe to say they are not as successful here.
If we become too reliant on 'fat' jabs then we're basically giving up on health prevention strategies around healthy eating. We need to be more focused on improving diet and exercise.
People do have some degree of choice over what they eat and whether or not they exercise. There are plenty of parents out there who make bad food choices for their kids and set them up for an unhealthy life - some of this is down to laziness.
I hear you but if only it was as simple as that. Eating disorders are not a lifestyle choice. Yes, in Theory everyone could eat healthily and watch their calorific intake and exercise more but that’s not ever going to happen or even realistic. Most eating disorders are related to mental health issues and not laziness.
Too simple to label everyone as having an eating disorder- some do but in some cases it's down to laziness. We attribute far too much to mental health rather than personal choice.
Not according to the medical profession we don’t. Obesity stems from a multifactorial combination of genetic, environmental, societal, and behavioral factors.
From Chat GTP
How Obesity Is Currently Viewed in Medicine
1.
As a Chronic Disease
Major health organizations (e.g., World Health Organization, American Medical Association, NICE in the UK) define obesity as a chronic, relapsing disease, not just a lifestyle issue.
It’s recognised as the result of complex interactions: genetics, hormones, brain signaling, environment, psychology, and lifestyle.
Like high blood pressure or diabetes, it often requires long-term management, not just short-term dieting.
Medications: GLP-1 receptor agonists (like semaglutide/Wegovy, tirzepatide/Mounjaro), bupropion/naltrexone, orlistat, etc.
Surgery: Bariatric surgery for severe cases (BMI ≥40, or ≥35 with comorbidities).
Long-term support: Because relapse is common, obesity treatment is viewed as ongoing, not a “one-time fix.”
5.
Individualized Care
Medicine now emphasizes that not every person with obesity is automatically unhealthy, and treatment should focus on:
Improving metabolic health (blood sugar, blood pressure, cholesterol)
Enhancing quality of life and mobility
Reducing complications, not just weight loss for its own sake.
In summary: The medical profession now recognises obesity as a chronic, multifactorial disease requiring respectful, long-term management. The old view of it being purely a matter of “willpower” is being replaced with a more compassionate, scientific approach.
Would you like me to also explain why some doctors call obesity a “relapsing disease” — and what that means in real-world treatment
If we simply medicalise obesity then we are just going down the path to normalising it which is what seems to be happening in society. It's become increasingly acceptable to overeat and to become less physically active - maybe we're just accepting it's inevitable.
If we become too reliant on 'fat' jabs then we're basically giving up on health prevention strategies around healthy eating. We need to be more focused on improving diet and exercise.
People do have some degree of choice over what they eat and whether or not they exercise. There are plenty of parents out there who make bad food choices for their kids and set them up for an unhealthy life - some of this is down to laziness.
I hear you but if only it was as simple as that. Eating disorders are not a lifestyle choice. Yes, in Theory everyone could eat healthily and watch their calorific intake and exercise more but that’s not ever going to happen or even realistic. Most eating disorders are related to mental health issues and not laziness.
Too simple to label everyone as having an eating disorder- some do but in some cases it's down to laziness. We attribute far too much to mental health rather than personal choice.
Not according to the medical profession we don’t. Obesity stems from a multifactorial combination of genetic, environmental, societal, and behavioral factors
The medical profession that will profit massively from drugs based solutions rather than societal lifestyle changes and proper education about nutrition and cooking, hardly surprising.
As opposed to the sugar industry, which profits massively from lobbying politicians rather than willingly reducing sugar content in food?
Absolutely not opposed to them, they should absolutely be the first target in the war against obesity, then schools. Like shine said, sugar is a drug and should be treated as such.
If we become too reliant on 'fat' jabs then we're basically giving up on health prevention strategies around healthy eating. We need to be more focused on improving diet and exercise.
People do have some degree of choice over what they eat and whether or not they exercise. There are plenty of parents out there who make bad food choices for their kids and set them up for an unhealthy life - some of this is down to laziness.
I hear you but if only it was as simple as that. Eating disorders are not a lifestyle choice. Yes, in Theory everyone could eat healthily and watch their calorific intake and exercise more but that’s not ever going to happen or even realistic. Most eating disorders are related to mental health issues and not laziness.
Too simple to label everyone as having an eating disorder- some do but in some cases it's down to laziness. We attribute far too much to mental health rather than personal choice.
Not according to the medical profession we don’t. Obesity stems from a multifactorial combination of genetic, environmental, societal, and behavioral factors
The medical profession that will profit massively from drugs based solutions rather than societal lifestyle changes and proper education about nutrition and cooking, hardly surprising.
Rubbish. The drug companies will benefit but how on earth you see that also affecting medics is certainly in the UK a non argument.
Have you heard of OxyCotton? Have a read a read about The Sackler Family, it will quite clearly show how doctors, charities and advisory groups can all be manipulated in the name of money, if you think what happens elsewhere (mostly America) doesn’t impact the UK and the rest of the world, you’re loopy.
I think your view of how doctors are allowed to prescribe is 20 years out of date as far as the UK is concerned. Presumably you mean OxyContin ?
You think there’s no financial pressure put on academics and doctors when it comes to pharmaceuticals? Really?
If we become too reliant on 'fat' jabs then we're basically giving up on health prevention strategies around healthy eating. We need to be more focused on improving diet and exercise.
People do have some degree of choice over what they eat and whether or not they exercise. There are plenty of parents out there who make bad food choices for their kids and set them up for an unhealthy life - some of this is down to laziness.
I hear you but if only it was as simple as that. Eating disorders are not a lifestyle choice. Yes, in Theory everyone could eat healthily and watch their calorific intake and exercise more but that’s not ever going to happen or even realistic. Most eating disorders are related to mental health issues and not laziness.
Too simple to label everyone as having an eating disorder- some do but in some cases it's down to laziness. We attribute far too much to mental health rather than personal choice.
Not according to the medical profession we don’t. Obesity stems from a multifactorial combination of genetic, environmental, societal, and behavioral factors
The medical profession that will profit massively from drugs based solutions rather than societal lifestyle changes and proper education about nutrition and cooking, hardly surprising.
Rubbish. The drug companies will benefit but how on earth you see that also affecting medics is certainly in the UK a non argument.
Have you heard of OxyCotton? Have a read a read about The Sackler Family, it will quite clearly show how doctors, charities and advisory groups can all be manipulated in the name of money, if you think what happens elsewhere (mostly America) doesn’t impact the UK and the rest of the world, you’re loopy.
Pharmaceutical companies market their drugs directly to the doctors in the USA, something we obviously don't allow here, so Oxycontin is actually a really good case for supporting Shooters' argument.
Pharma companies are still bastards, and to your point they are manipulative the world over. But not in the same way. They have to find other ways to achieve what the Sacklers did, and given that we haven't had anywhere near the levels of opioid deaths, it's safe to say they are not as successful here.
I mostly agree with how the UK has dealt with opioids, but it’s the most extreme example I could think of a company applying pressure at every aspect of the process a drug has to go through. If you think that exact same kind of pressure doesn’t apply, to varying degrees, to these fat jabs and doesn’t impact how doctors feel about it’s safety, I really hope you’re right, but I just can’t agree.
If we become too reliant on 'fat' jabs then we're basically giving up on health prevention strategies around healthy eating. We need to be more focused on improving diet and exercise.
People do have some degree of choice over what they eat and whether or not they exercise. There are plenty of parents out there who make bad food choices for their kids and set them up for an unhealthy life - some of this is down to laziness.
I hear you but if only it was as simple as that. Eating disorders are not a lifestyle choice. Yes, in Theory everyone could eat healthily and watch their calorific intake and exercise more but that’s not ever going to happen or even realistic. Most eating disorders are related to mental health issues and not laziness.
Your ChatGPT, 'How Obesity Is Currently Viewed in Medicine' states that, 'Obesity increases the risk of:
If we become too reliant on 'fat' jabs then we're basically giving up on health prevention strategies around healthy eating. We need to be more focused on improving diet and exercise.
People do have some degree of choice over what they eat and whether or not they exercise. There are plenty of parents out there who make bad food choices for their kids and set them up for an unhealthy life - some of this is down to laziness.
I hear you but if only it was as simple as that. Eating disorders are not a lifestyle choice. Yes, in Theory everyone could eat healthily and watch their calorific intake and exercise more but that’s not ever going to happen or even realistic. Most eating disorders are related to mental health issues and not laziness.
Too simple to label everyone as having an eating disorder- some do but in some cases it's down to laziness. We attribute far too much to mental health rather than personal choice.
If we simply medicalise obesity then we are just going down the path to normalising it which is what seems to be happening in society. It's become increasingly acceptable to overeat and to become less physically active - maybe we're just accepting it's inevitable.
What, like these guys?
This is why we have to do something drastic to take action and reverse the obesity trend.
If we become too reliant on 'fat' jabs then we're basically giving up on health prevention strategies around healthy eating. We need to be more focused on improving diet and exercise.
People do have some degree of choice over what they eat and whether or not they exercise. There are plenty of parents out there who make bad food choices for their kids and set them up for an unhealthy life - some of this is down to laziness.
I hear you but if only it was as simple as that. Eating disorders are not a lifestyle choice. Yes, in Theory everyone could eat healthily and watch their calorific intake and exercise more but that’s not ever going to happen or even realistic. Most eating disorders are related to mental health issues and not laziness.
Too simple to label everyone as having an eating disorder- some do but in some cases it's down to laziness. We attribute far too much to mental health rather than personal choice.
Not according to the medical profession we don’t. Obesity stems from a multifactorial combination of genetic, environmental, societal, and behavioral factors.
From Chat GTP
How Obesity Is Currently Viewed in Medicine
1.
As a Chronic Disease
Major health organizations (e.g., World Health Organization, American Medical Association, NICE in the UK) define obesity as a chronic, relapsing disease, not just a lifestyle issue.
It’s recognised as the result of complex interactions: genetics, hormones, brain signaling, environment, psychology, and lifestyle.
Like high blood pressure or diabetes, it often requires long-term management, not just short-term dieting.
Medications: GLP-1 receptor agonists (like semaglutide/Wegovy, tirzepatide/Mounjaro), bupropion/naltrexone, orlistat, etc.
Surgery: Bariatric surgery for severe cases (BMI ≥40, or ≥35 with comorbidities).
Long-term support: Because relapse is common, obesity treatment is viewed as ongoing, not a “one-time fix.”
5.
Individualized Care
Medicine now emphasizes that not every person with obesity is automatically unhealthy, and treatment should focus on:
Improving metabolic health (blood sugar, blood pressure, cholesterol)
Enhancing quality of life and mobility
Reducing complications, not just weight loss for its own sake.
In summary: The medical profession now recognises obesity as a chronic, multifactorial disease requiring respectful, long-term management. The old view of it being purely a matter of “willpower” is being replaced with a more compassionate, scientific approach.
Would you like me to also explain why some doctors call obesity a “relapsing disease” — and what that means in real-world treatment
If we simply medicalise obesity then we are just going down the path to normalising it which is what seems to be happening in society. It's become increasingly acceptable to overeat and to become less physically active - maybe we're just accepting it's inevitable.
Again I see where you are coming from but normalise is perhaps the correct word because according to the latest figures available (2023-24) the percentage of adults (over 18) here in the U.K. with at least Stage 1 Obesity (BMI 30 or over) is 26.5%. So one in four adults here are obese. It’s already normalised and we need drastic action to prevent as many of those as is possible progressing through stage 1 and going on to become morbidly obese and at risk and needing treatment for associated health conditions.
If we become too reliant on 'fat' jabs then we're basically giving up on health prevention strategies around healthy eating. We need to be more focused on improving diet and exercise.
People do have some degree of choice over what they eat and whether or not they exercise. There are plenty of parents out there who make bad food choices for their kids and set them up for an unhealthy life - some of this is down to laziness.
I hear you but if only it was as simple as that. Eating disorders are not a lifestyle choice. Yes, in Theory everyone could eat healthily and watch their calorific intake and exercise more but that’s not ever going to happen or even realistic. Most eating disorders are related to mental health issues and not laziness.
Your ChatGPT, 'How Obesity Is Currently Viewed in Medicine' states that, 'Obesity increases the risk of:
Nowhere does it claim that 'most' eating disorders are related to mental health issues...'
People over eat for myriad reasons and I’m telling you now as a fact it’s not because they are hungry. If it’s not to satisfy their nutritional status which at the end of the day is all food is for then they are doing it for reasons that are psychological. That list is a little too long for this answer but you catch my drift.
Nobody wants to be overweight or obese, but it's far more complicated than just eating too much. I can put weight in incredibly easily, but taking it off is very much harder.
If differs greatly from other addictions, as we all have to eat to live. We have to eat something and often the easiest things to eat are processed foods, which are quick and easy to prepare if time is short. Taking recreational drugs and drinking alcohol are choices, if you never start to use them, you won't become addicted.
I do agree that a good chunk of the reason people are overweight is due to laziness, laziness and gluttony.
People choose to spend their time watching 3 hours of TV each night and get a takeaway or ready meal rather than 2 hours watching TV and 1 hour cooking. Some people just want to eat chips whilst pretending that there's an education problem (give me strength). You are not going to change this by pointing out the fact they're lazy gluttonous slobs, most of them already know it.
With all that in mind, I still believe Mounjaro is the way forward for society.
After a series of diets and exercising I’ve given up as the needle of the scales only seems to waver. I think I eat healthily and not excessively and rarely eat fast foods. My only sin is drinking alcohol mainly wine which I’m sure is the root cause of my failure to reduce weight. But my main concern is diabetes any my last blood count showed that I’ve tip toed over to diabetes 2. And so enough is enough, I’m starting my course of fat jabbing on Mounjaro from Sunday (after a good piss up after the match on Saturday).
Has anybody else considered or undertaking this course of action to reduce weight?
Mate of mine had the jabs. she lost a load of weight and then started to exercise. She was pretty big but got to a size where she felt it was safe to do more strenuous exercise and has kept the weight off. They aren’t some miracle cure but an aide.
I suppose much comes down to either believing that being seriously overweight is a choice or a disease. I personally prefer to be guided by the medical profession and other professionals that consider it to be the latter.
An update on my take of the fat jab. I’ve lost just over 2 kilos in one and a half weeks ( hoping for 3 kilos by the end of the 2nd week). Mind you I’ve changed my diet and frequently exercise (gym and walking). A major cut back on alcohol but still have a half a bottle of vino with my evening meal.
The fat jab does curb your appetite but for it to be successful you need to have that focus on losing weight. As an example, I’ve just eaten in my local restaurant and struggled to eat grilled salmon with carrots, broccoli and spinach. No way could I have had a starter or desert and I felt bloated but I would have done before the jab.
I will need to have a blood test soon as I seriously need to avoid diabetes 2 of which I’ve tip toed over the line.
I’m determined to reduce weight after a series of failed diets but this jab is certainly helping me in my quest.
An update on my take of the fat jab. I’ve lost just over 2 kilos in one and a half weeks ( hoping for 3 kilos by the end of the 2nd week). Mind you I’ve changed my diet and frequently exercise (gym and walking). A major cut back on alcohol but still have a half a bottle of vino with my evening meal.
The fat jab does curb your appetite but for it to be successful you need to have that focus on losing weight. As an example, I’ve just eaten in my local restaurant and struggled to eat grilled salmon with carrots, broccoli and spinach. No way could I have had a starter or desert and I felt bloated but I would have done before the jab.
I will need to have a blood test soon as I seriously need to avoid diabetes 2 of which I’ve tip toed over the line.
I’m determined to reduce weight after a series of failed diets but this jab is certainly helping me in my quest.
An update on my take of the fat jab. I’ve lost just over 2 kilos in one and a half weeks ( hoping for 3 kilos by the end of the 2nd week). Mind you I’ve changed my diet and frequently exercise (gym and walking). A major cut back on alcohol but still have a half a bottle of vino with my evening meal.
The fat jab does curb your appetite but for it to be successful you need to have that focus on losing weight. As an example, I’ve just eaten in my local restaurant and struggled to eat grilled salmon with carrots, broccoli and spinach. No way could I have had a starter or desert and I felt bloated but I would have done before the jab.
I will need to have a blood test soon as I seriously need to avoid diabetes 2 of which I’ve tip toed over the line.
I’m determined to reduce weight after a series of failed diets but this jab is certainly helping me in my quest.
I never even knew these things existed until recently. So, it suppresses your appetite based on what I’ve picked up on here, and I’m assuming (could be wrong), there’s an element of psychological reinforcement/placebo effect attached to it, as people that use it see results, and gain a sort of momentum in trying to keep the weight off?
I only ask as I mentioned this thread to my missus tonight and she said a lot of her friends were on it. I had no idea this was such a thing.
With anything like this, if people are unhealthily overweight, I hope it helps, but I hope there are no long term side effects on the organs etc
An update on my take of the fat jab. I’ve lost just over 2 kilos in one and a half weeks ( hoping for 3 kilos by the end of the 2nd week). Mind you I’ve changed my diet and frequently exercise (gym and walking). A major cut back on alcohol but still have a half a bottle of vino with my evening meal.
The fat jab does curb your appetite but for it to be successful you need to have that focus on losing weight. As an example, I’ve just eaten in my local restaurant and struggled to eat grilled salmon with carrots, broccoli and spinach. No way could I have had a starter or desert and I felt bloated but I would have done before the jab.
I will need to have a blood test soon as I seriously need to avoid diabetes 2 of which I’ve tip toed over the line.
I’m determined to reduce weight after a series of failed diets but this jab is certainly helping me in my quest.
I never even knew these things existed until recently. So, it suppresses your appetite based on what I’ve picked up on here, and I’m assuming (could be wrong), there’s an element of psychological reinforcement/placebo effect attached to it, as people that use it see results, and gain a sort of momentum in trying to keep the weight off?
I only ask as I mentioned this thread to my missus tonight and she said a lot of her friends were on it. I had no idea this was such a thing.
With anything like this, if people are unhealthily overweight, I hope it helps, but I hope there are no long term side effects on the organs etc
Whilst the appetite supression is key (and for me was almost instant) it is the change in blood sugar in your body which means you do not crave (and possibly even feel repelled by) sweet and processed food. When I am hungry, all my body craves is the nutrients that are good for you from protein, fibre and veg.
This is my experience and not saying this is true for all.
An update on my take of the fat jab. I’ve lost just over 2 kilos in one and a half weeks ( hoping for 3 kilos by the end of the 2nd week). Mind you I’ve changed my diet and frequently exercise (gym and walking). A major cut back on alcohol but still have a half a bottle of vino with my evening meal.
The fat jab does curb your appetite but for it to be successful you need to have that focus on losing weight. As an example, I’ve just eaten in my local restaurant and struggled to eat grilled salmon with carrots, broccoli and spinach. No way could I have had a starter or desert and I felt bloated but I would have done before the jab.
I will need to have a blood test soon as I seriously need to avoid diabetes 2 of which I’ve tip toed over the line.
I’m determined to reduce weight after a series of failed diets but this jab is certainly helping me in my quest.
I never even knew these things existed until recently. So, it suppresses your appetite based on what I’ve picked up on here, and I’m assuming (could be wrong), there’s an element of psychological reinforcement/placebo effect attached to it, as people that use it see results, and gain a sort of momentum in trying to keep the weight off?
I only ask as I mentioned this thread to my missus tonight and she said a lot of her friends were on it. I had no idea this was such a thing.
With anything like this, if people are unhealthily overweight, I hope it helps, but I hope there are no long term side effects on the organs etc
Whilst the appetite supression is key (and for me was almost instant) it is the change in blood sugar in your body which means you do not crave (and possibly even feel repelled by) sweet and processed food. When I am hungry, all my body craves is the nutrients that are good for you from protein, fibre and veg.
This is my experience and not saying this is true for all.
This has been true for me as well. I have a strong dislike for the idea of anything sweet, before I would be grabbing biscuits if they were going at work!
I'm still incredibly lazy and don't cook, but I'll get something like a rotisserie chicken and get that all cut up and just eat some of that with some cucumber. Before when I was in Spoons I would have chicken bites and halloumi fries, now I have the Mediterranean salad with added chicken or the grilled chicken katsu curry.
The key thing is that people don't just eat less of what they are before (ie a smaller portion of chips) a lot of people just don't want chips anymore. Deep fried food makes me feel repulsed now. All the food noise disappears.
I've got my BMI down to 22.5 now and will start moving to maintenance eventually. I don't want to come off it.
If we become too reliant on 'fat' jabs then we're basically giving up on health prevention strategies around healthy eating. We need to be more focused on improving diet and exercise.
People do have some degree of choice over what they eat and whether or not they exercise. There are plenty of parents out there who make bad food choices for their kids and set them up for an unhealthy life - some of this is down to laziness.
I hear you but if only it was as simple as that. Eating disorders are not a lifestyle choice. Yes, in Theory everyone could eat healthily and watch their calorific intake and exercise more but that’s not ever going to happen or even realistic. Most eating disorders are related to mental health issues and not laziness.
Too simple to label everyone as having an eating disorder- some do but in some cases it's down to laziness. We attribute far too much to mental health rather than personal choice.
If we simply medicalise obesity then we are just going down the path to normalising it which is what seems to be happening in society. It's become increasingly acceptable to overeat and to become less physically active - maybe we're just accepting it's inevitable.
What, like these guys?
This is why we have to do something drastic to take action and reverse the obesity trend.
Nobody wants to be overweight or obese, but it's far more complicated than just eating too much. I can put weight in incredibly easily, but taking it off is very much harder.
If differs greatly from other addictions, as we all have to eat to live. We have to eat something and often the easiest things to eat are processed foods, which are quick and easy to prepare if time is short. Taking recreational drugs and drinking alcohol are choices, if you never start to use them, you won't become addicted.
So over eating is a mental health disease and other drugs are a choice, righto.
Watched Educating Yorkshire last night and there was a boy with behavioural problems who disrupted every class he was in. The teachers noticed he was much worse after lunch, so they asked his mum about his eating habits. Turned out he ate chocolate Weetabix for breakfast every day, with sugar put on top, plus a coffee with three sugars. For lunch, he'd only eat pizza if it was available – otherwise it was a cookie, along with a family-sized chocolate bar and sugary energy drink. They managed to change his diet, and he calmed right down and could finally focus in class.
It made me think about eating habits and how they develop. I used to eat chocolate shreddies before school, chips and a chocolate bar for lunch, another chocolate bar after school and then probably go home and eat a load of bourbon biscuits, before I had a ready-meal dinner. There are millions of kids growing up like this. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, we have the second-highest consumption of ultra-processed food in the world.
I get that many will feel it comes down to education and not being lazy, but I feel like it's much more than that. You are trying to undo lifelong eating habits formed before you were even old enough to have a choice. Your body and metabolism have been conditioned to crave and depend upon these foods. And when cheap, ultra-processed food is everywhere and often the only convenient option, it's no wonder so many people end up stuck in the same cycle. If these drugs can help break that, it can only be a good thing.
Nobody wants to be overweight or obese, but it's far more complicated than just eating too much. I can put weight in incredibly easily, but taking it off is very much harder.
If differs greatly from other addictions, as we all have to eat to live. We have to eat something and often the easiest things to eat are processed foods, which are quick and easy to prepare if time is short. Taking recreational drugs and drinking alcohol are choices, if you never start to use them, you won't become addicted.
So over eating is a mental health disease and other drugs are a choice, righto.
Pretty much as I expected.
Where did I say that over eating is a mental health disease? There are numerous reasons for over eating and others have given many of those.
It is a fact that we all have to eat to live. It is also a fact that taking recreational drugs and alcohol are choices, nobody has to start using them to live.
Nobody wants to be overweight or obese, but it's far more complicated than just eating too much. I can put weight in incredibly easily, but taking it off is very much harder.
If differs greatly from other addictions, as we all have to eat to live. We have to eat something and often the easiest things to eat are processed foods, which are quick and easy to prepare if time is short. Taking recreational drugs and drinking alcohol are choices, if you never start to use them, you won't become addicted.
So over eating is a mental health disease and other drugs are a choice, righto.
Pretty much as I expected.
Where did I say that over eating is a mental health disease? There are numerous reasons for over eating and others have given many of those.
It is a fact that we all have to eat to live. It is also a fact that taking recreational drugs and alcohol are choices, nobody has to start using them to live.
We all have to eat to live, but you don't have to live off of cake and crisps.
Some people become addicted to recreational drugs after taking pharmaceutical drugs.
Watched Educating Yorkshire last night and there was a boy with behavioural problems who disrupted every class he was in. The teachers noticed he was much worse after lunch, so they asked his mum about his eating habits. Turned out he ate chocolate Weetabix for breakfast every day, with sugar put on top, plus a coffee with three sugars. For lunch, he'd only eat pizza if it was available – otherwise it was a cookie, along with a family-sized chocolate bar and sugary energy drink. They managed to change his diet, and he calmed right down and could finally focus in class.
It made me think about eating habits and how they develop. I used to eat chocolate shreddies before school, chips and a chocolate bar for lunch, another chocolate bar after school and then probably go home and eat a load of bourbon biscuits, before I had a ready-meal dinner. There are millions of kids growing up like this. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, we have the second-highest consumption of ultra-processed food in the world.
I get that many will feel it comes down to education and not being lazy, but I feel like it's much more than that. You are trying to undo lifelong eating habits formed before you were even old enough to have a choice. Your body and metabolism have been conditioned to crave and depend upon these foods. And when cheap, ultra-processed food is everywhere and often the only convenient option, it's no wonder so many people end up stuck in the same cycle. If these drugs can help break that, it can only be a good thing.
That kid 100% has adhd too, but that diet was madness.
Empty calories remain the problem - snacks are high in calories and don't satisfy hunger. I find it hard to avoid cakes, crisps, chocolate etc and ultimately it is down to willpower - parents need to give children good eating habits but obviously you have to lead by example.
If the 'fat' jabs suppress the desire for these foods then that has to be a good thing for a lot of people but my concern is the side effects and a return to bad eating habits if you come off the jabs.
Sugar isn’t a drug. It does though for lots of people effect the reward centre of the brain. You eat it and the reward centre tells you it’s a good feeling so your body wants to have more. A drug in the pharmacological sense no. Certainly a big problem for nearly all of us.
Nobody wants to be overweight or obese, but it's far more complicated than just eating too much. I can put weight in incredibly easily, but taking it off is very much harder.
If differs greatly from other addictions, as we all have to eat to live. We have to eat something and often the easiest things to eat are processed foods, which are quick and easy to prepare if time is short. Taking recreational drugs and drinking alcohol are choices, if you never start to use them, you won't become addicted.
So over eating is a mental health disease and other drugs are a choice, righto.
Pretty much as I expected.
You can't possibly be serious here. You don't do yourself any favours with behaviour like this.
Sugar isn’t a drug. It does though for lots of people effect the reward centre of the brain. You eat it and the reward centre tells you it’s a good feeling so your body wants to have more. A drug in the pharmacological sense no. Certainly a big problem for nearly all of us.
John Yudkin highlighted the dangers of sugar back in the 70s but was ignored - increasing sugar in the diet has gone hand in hand with the levels of obesity. Sugar not fat is the main problem...
Watched Educating Yorkshire last night and there was a boy with behavioural problems who disrupted every class he was in. The teachers noticed he was much worse after lunch, so they asked his mum about his eating habits. Turned out he ate chocolate Weetabix for breakfast every day, with sugar put on top, plus a coffee with three sugars. For lunch, he'd only eat pizza if it was available – otherwise it was a cookie, along with a family-sized chocolate bar and sugary energy drink. They managed to change his diet, and he calmed right down and could finally focus in class.
It made me think about eating habits and how they develop. I used to eat chocolate shreddies before school, chips and a chocolate bar for lunch, another chocolate bar after school and then probably go home and eat a load of bourbon biscuits, before I had a ready-meal dinner. There are millions of kids growing up like this. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, we have the second-highest consumption of ultra-processed food in the world.
I get that many will feel it comes down to education and not being lazy, but I feel like it's much more than that. You are trying to undo lifelong eating habits formed before you were even old enough to have a choice. Your body and metabolism have been conditioned to crave and depend upon these foods. And when cheap, ultra-processed food is everywhere and often the only convenient option, it's no wonder so many people end up stuck in the same cycle. If these drugs can help break that, it can only be a good thing.
The various players in the processing of food have incredibly powerful lawyers and lobbyists. We've sleepwalked into a massive first world health crisis by allowing them to completely subvert the food chain over the past 4-5 decades - they're never going to let go of the power they wield without kicking and screaming. We're well off topic here, so to bring it back to topic - the fat jab is a definite net positive... but the junk food industry will do it's damnedest to ensure that it becomes a means to keep people eating shite, rather than being a way to get them to change their food habits.
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Pharma companies are still bastards, and to your point they are manipulative the world over. But not in the same way. They have to find other ways to achieve what the Sacklers did, and given that we haven't had anywhere near the levels of opioid deaths, it's safe to say they are not as successful here.
Your ChatGPT, 'How Obesity Is Currently Viewed in Medicine' states that, 'Obesity increases the risk of:
•Type 2 Diabetes
•Cardiovascular disease (heart attack, stroke, hypertension)
•Certain cancers (e.g., breast, colon, endometrial)
•Sleep apnea
•Joint and mobility problems
•Mental health conditions (depression, anxiety, stigma-related distress)
Nowhere does it claim that 'most' eating
disorders are related to mental health issues...'
This is why we have to do something drastic to take action and reverse the obesity trend.
If differs greatly from other addictions, as we all have to eat to live. We have to eat something and often the easiest things to eat are processed foods, which are quick and easy to prepare if time is short. Taking recreational drugs and drinking alcohol are choices, if you never start to use them, you won't become addicted.
People choose to spend their time watching 3 hours of TV each night and get a takeaway or ready meal rather than 2 hours watching TV and 1 hour cooking. Some people just want to eat chips whilst pretending that there's an education problem (give me strength). You are not going to change this by pointing out the fact they're lazy gluttonous slobs, most of them already know it.
With all that in mind, I still believe Mounjaro is the way forward for society.
she lost a load of weight and then started to exercise.
She was pretty big but got to a size where she felt it was safe to do more strenuous exercise and has kept the weight off.
They aren’t some miracle cure but an aide.
I only ask as I mentioned this thread to my missus tonight and she said a lot of her friends were on it. I had no idea this was such a thing.
I'm still incredibly lazy and don't cook, but I'll get something like a rotisserie chicken and get that all cut up and just eat some of that with some cucumber. Before when I was in Spoons I would have chicken bites and halloumi fries, now I have the Mediterranean salad with added chicken or the grilled chicken katsu curry.
The key thing is that people don't just eat less of what they are before (ie a smaller portion of chips) a lot of people just don't want chips anymore. Deep fried food makes me feel repulsed now. All the food noise disappears.
I've got my BMI down to 22.5 now and will start moving to maintenance eventually. I don't want to come off it.
They have enough on their plate.
So over eating is a mental health disease and other drugs are a choice, righto.
Pretty much as I expected.
It made me think about eating habits and how they develop. I used to eat chocolate shreddies before school, chips and a chocolate bar for lunch, another chocolate bar after school and then probably go home and eat a load of bourbon biscuits, before I had a ready-meal dinner. There are millions of kids growing up like this. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, we have the second-highest consumption of ultra-processed food in the world.
I get that many will feel it comes down to education and not being lazy, but I feel like it's much more than that. You are trying to undo lifelong eating habits formed before you were even old enough to have a choice. Your body and metabolism have been conditioned to crave and depend upon these foods. And when cheap, ultra-processed food is everywhere and often the only convenient option, it's no wonder so many people end up stuck in the same cycle. If these drugs can help break that, it can only be a good thing.
It is a fact that we all have to eat to live. It is also a fact that taking recreational drugs and alcohol are choices, nobody has to start using them to live.
We all have to eat to live, but you don't have to live off of cake and crisps.
Some people become addicted to recreational drugs after taking pharmaceutical drugs.
If the 'fat' jabs suppress the desire for these foods then that has to be a good thing for a lot of people but my concern is the side effects and a return to bad eating habits if you come off the jabs.
The sugar industry certainly has power....
An interesting read highlighting the dangers of sugar....