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Are Charlton a sleeping giant beginning to wake?
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Can I respond to this seeing as it was a response to me?? 😆The Red Robin said:
If we were established in the PL, we’d absolutely dwarf Palace. Again.MillwallFan said:
No way are Charlton bigger than palace now. They’re miles ahead of both of us. Even if you ended up playing at the same level they would be the bigger club now days. They sell out every game and have waiting lists for season tickets. See how many they got when they played Stockport at home in the early rounds of the cup last season? When everyone else was struggling to fill a third of their ground for the early round games against lower opposition they nearly sold out. A palace mate (yeah I know) told me it was because all their fans who can never get tickets for league games used it as an opportunity to go and watch them. They could have a 40k ground now days. Sadly. C**tsLeeds_Addick said:
I’m not saying that I agree we’re not far behind them but I think we’d also likely average over 20k if we had a championship season chasing promotionMillwallFan said:
I’d would say Charlton are well behind forest and wolves. They both averaged over 20k the last time they played in the third tier. I doubt you’ve ever got close to that while you were in the third tier in recent history (apart from play off games). Add to the history they’ve got on the pitch and say you’re not far away from them is way off the mark.Covered End said:
Yes bigger than Bournemouth, Brentford, Burnley and Fulham.kafka said:
Bigger than Bournemouth and Brentford though and as big as Fulham, Burnley, Brighton and Palace. We should be supporting this ambition and seeing how far NJ can take us.Dave2l said:Charlton are a small - medium ish sized club. I hope it stays that way.
Just want to enjoy the Championship. The premier league is a money pit for foreign investors and its not fun anymore.
If we somehow get promoted again, we'd have absolutely no chance of staying in that division.
I'd only be happy for us from a financial perspective. It would be great in that regard and we can carry on building the club up after we get relegated due to only getting 25 points from 38 games.
Same size as Brighton and Palace and not far behind Forest and Wolves.
So we can easily compete with 8 of the 20.
I do think we’re bigger than Brighton & Palace though rather than being on par
im not so sure. Looking at the crowds you had in the PL they are similar to what palace have now, both of you were restricted by ground size but did you have the waiting lists for season tickets they have? Also, a lot of your support was made up of floating fans and neutrals who came to watch PL football. (One of my customers is an Arsenal fan but had four ST’s while you was in the prem just so him and his sons could watch cheap live PL football. He hasn’t been back since you went down). Say what you like about palace (and believe me I’m no fan) but the fans who turn up to watch them, most of them are actual fans now.Also, catchment area is huge. A big chunk of it in Surrey, middle class people who in the past wouldn’t be drawn to football, but now days they are. And what with palace being an established PL club and on top of that winning the fa cup, huge swathes of them have become palace fans. And palace fans who actually want to go and watch them. They’ve sadly had this run in the PL and fa cup win at just the right time.At the very best, if you became established in the PL again, you might match them, but not in a million years would you ‘dwarf them’. I can’t stand the c***s I really can’t. But that’s the reality of the situation.5 -
Context is key. We're not a sleeping giant or a big club in comparison to half the Premier League. Against most of League One we are though and it's probably written in the context of the amount of fans we took to Wembley in comparison to Orient.
Either that or it's just a sensationalist headline designed to get supporters of other clubs to read it.0 -
Would be interesting especially with Brighton if they started to struggle. Wonder if they'd still sell out most weeks in the Championship.Leeds_Addick said:
I’m not saying that I agree we’re not far behind them but I think we’d also likely average over 20k if we had a championship season chasing promotionMillwallFan said:
I’d would say Charlton are well behind forest and wolves. They both averaged over 20k the last time they played in the third tier. I doubt you’ve ever got close to that while you were in the third tier in recent history (apart from play off games). Add to the history they’ve got on the pitch and say you’re not far away from them is way off the mark.Covered End said:
Yes bigger than Bournemouth, Brentford, Burnley and Fulham.kafka said:
Bigger than Bournemouth and Brentford though and as big as Fulham, Burnley, Brighton and Palace. We should be supporting this ambition and seeing how far NJ can take us.Dave2l said:Charlton are a small - medium ish sized club. I hope it stays that way.
Just want to enjoy the Championship. The premier league is a money pit for foreign investors and its not fun anymore.
If we somehow get promoted again, we'd have absolutely no chance of staying in that division.
I'd only be happy for us from a financial perspective. It would be great in that regard and we can carry on building the club up after we get relegated due to only getting 25 points from 38 games.
Same size as Brighton and Palace and not far behind Forest and Wolves.
So we can easily compete with 8 of the 20.
I do think we’re bigger than Brighton & Palace though rather than being on par0 -
We're not quite awake just scratching our nuts at the moment.6
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Shouldn't we just agree that we're as big as whoever's posting imagines or wants us to be?
Someone on the Sheffield Wednesday thread actually said they'd be equivalent size to Orient if based in London. I mean, the mental gymnastics involved in coming up with that 🙄
This is proper three sheets to the wind pub debate going on here, and we'll never know the answer as time doesn't stand still. The good thing is, everybody is right, well unless they think we're not bigger than Orient. We are, making us bigger than Sheffield Wednesday 😂
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if journalists want to ask the question, let them - we aren’t really but there’s always been a huge potential that has never been fully fulfilled and that’s one of the things aboutour club I think - the ‘what could have beens and the what could be’s - COYR !!!0
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I think there’s usually a more immediate sign of being aroused.jose said:The measure of whether we're becoming aroused from our slumbers will be points harvested.0 -
The football side of the business. This is who we, the supporters, support so it’s what we’re referring to when we say “we” and don’t mean ourselves.WSS said:
Ultimately though, who is "we"?bolloxbolder said:Attaining premiership status is the only way we ever get the Valley and training ground back.0 -
MillwallFan said:
Can I respond to this seeing as it was a response to me?? 😆The Red Robin said:
If we were established in the PL, we’d absolutely dwarf Palace. Again.MillwallFan said:
No way are Charlton bigger than palace now. They’re miles ahead of both of us. Even if you ended up playing at the same level they would be the bigger club now days. They sell out every game and have waiting lists for season tickets. See how many they got when they played Stockport at home in the early rounds of the cup last season? When everyone else was struggling to fill a third of their ground for the early round games against lower opposition they nearly sold out. A palace mate (yeah I know) told me it was because all their fans who can never get tickets for league games used it as an opportunity to go and watch them. They could have a 40k ground now days. Sadly. C**tsLeeds_Addick said:
I’m not saying that I agree we’re not far behind them but I think we’d also likely average over 20k if we had a championship season chasing promotionMillwallFan said:
I’d would say Charlton are well behind forest and wolves. They both averaged over 20k the last time they played in the third tier. I doubt you’ve ever got close to that while you were in the third tier in recent history (apart from play off games). Add to the history they’ve got on the pitch and say you’re not far away from them is way off the mark.Covered End said:
Yes bigger than Bournemouth, Brentford, Burnley and Fulham.kafka said:
Bigger than Bournemouth and Brentford though and as big as Fulham, Burnley, Brighton and Palace. We should be supporting this ambition and seeing how far NJ can take us.Dave2l said:Charlton are a small - medium ish sized club. I hope it stays that way.
Just want to enjoy the Championship. The premier league is a money pit for foreign investors and its not fun anymore.
If we somehow get promoted again, we'd have absolutely no chance of staying in that division.
I'd only be happy for us from a financial perspective. It would be great in that regard and we can carry on building the club up after we get relegated due to only getting 25 points from 38 games.
Same size as Brighton and Palace and not far behind Forest and Wolves.
So we can easily compete with 8 of the 20.
I do think we’re bigger than Brighton & Palace though rather than being on par
im not so sure. Looking at the crowds you had in the PL they are similar to what palace have now, both of you were restricted by ground size but did you have the waiting lists for season tickets they have? Also, a lot of your support was made up of floating fans and neutrals who came to watch PL football. (One of my customers is an Arsenal fan but had four ST’s while you was in the prem just so him and his sons could watch cheap live PL football. He hasn’t been back since you went down). Say what you like about palace (and believe me I’m no fan) but the fans who turn up to watch them, most of them are actual fans now.Also, catchment area is huge. A big chunk of it in Surrey, middle class people who in the past wouldn’t be drawn to football, but now days they are. And what with palace being an established PL club and on top of that winning the fa cup, huge swathes of them have become palace fans. And palace fans who actually want to go and watch them. They’ve sadly had this run in the PL and fa cup win at just the right time.At the very best, if you became established in the PL again, you might match them, but not in a million years would you ‘dwarf them’. I can’t stand the c***s I really can’t. But that’s the reality of the situation.
Agree with all that Mr Spanner, one question, is customers a new term used for 'screws'?
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I wouldn’t say giant,
bigger than average so maybe 6 foot 1.0 - Sponsored links:
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On reflection, I was a bit out of order there, apologies. Just seeing your badge come up every time you post just annoys me !!MillwallFan said:
Fair enough, point taken. I do try to stick to threads about Millwall and the championship in general but obviously I’m going to get drawn to a thread title like this one aren’t I? 😆Ducktapeshoerepairs said:I dream of a world when you can have an opinion about Charlton and @millwallfan (who only comments where Millwall are mentioned apparently #bs) doesn’t pile in with his option
fair play though most of you dismissed the idea of being a sleeping giant. Maybe this time spent in L1 has humbled you all a tad?😁
Anyway, Millwall and Championship threads only from now on. 👍🏻
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No worries mate, no offence taken. 👍🏻Ducktapeshoerepairs said:
On reflection, I was a bit out of order there, apologies. Just seeing your badge come up every time you post just annoys me !!MillwallFan said:
Fair enough, point taken. I do try to stick to threads about Millwall and the championship in general but obviously I’m going to get drawn to a thread title like this one aren’t I? 😆Ducktapeshoerepairs said:I dream of a world when you can have an opinion about Charlton and @millwallfan (who only comments where Millwall are mentioned apparently #bs) doesn’t pile in with his option
fair play though most of you dismissed the idea of being a sleeping giant. Maybe this time spent in L1 has humbled you all a tad?😁
Anyway, Millwall and Championship threads only from now on. 👍🏻
maybe I should change my profile picture to a Charlton/ Millwall half and half scarf 😁3 -
See, even Millwall fan says Surrey is Palace…MillwallFan said:The Red Robin said:
If we were established in the PL, we’d absolutely dwarf Palace. Again.MillwallFan said:
No way are Charlton bigger than palace now. They’re miles ahead of both of us. Even if you ended up playing at the same level they would be the bigger club now days. They sell out every game and have waiting lists for season tickets. See how many they got when they played Stockport at home in the early rounds of the cup last season? When everyone else was struggling to fill a third of their ground for the early round games against lower opposition they nearly sold out. A palace mate (yeah I know) told me it was because all their fans who can never get tickets for league games used it as an opportunity to go and watch them. They could have a 40k ground now days. Sadly. C**tsLeeds_Addick said:
I’m not saying that I agree we’re not far behind them but I think we’d also likely average over 20k if we had a championship season chasing promotionMillwallFan said:
I’d would say Charlton are well behind forest and wolves. They both averaged over 20k the last time they played in the third tier. I doubt you’ve ever got close to that while you were in the third tier in recent history (apart from play off games). Add to the history they’ve got on the pitch and say you’re not far away from them is way off the mark.Covered End said:
Yes bigger than Bournemouth, Brentford, Burnley and Fulham.kafka said:
Bigger than Bournemouth and Brentford though and as big as Fulham, Burnley, Brighton and Palace. We should be supporting this ambition and seeing how far NJ can take us.Dave2l said:Charlton are a small - medium ish sized club. I hope it stays that way.
Just want to enjoy the Championship. The premier league is a money pit for foreign investors and its not fun anymore.
If we somehow get promoted again, we'd have absolutely no chance of staying in that division.
I'd only be happy for us from a financial perspective. It would be great in that regard and we can carry on building the club up after we get relegated due to only getting 25 points from 38 games.
Same size as Brighton and Palace and not far behind Forest and Wolves.
So we can easily compete with 8 of the 20.
I do think we’re bigger than Brighton & Palace though rather than being on parAlso, catchment area is huge. A big chunk of it in Surrey, middle class people who in the past wouldn’t be drawn to football, but now days they are.
Charlton + Surrey fans, shake my head…2 -
Football has changed considerably since our last run in the Premier League. Our last run didn't have the tourist culture it does now, there's no doubt at all we would sell out almost every game and have a demand for 40k tickets for the elite teams, the demand was there previously so no reason why it wouldn't be again.MillwallFan said:
Can I respond to this seeing as it was a response to me?? 😆The Red Robin said:
If we were established in the PL, we’d absolutely dwarf Palace. Again.MillwallFan said:
No way are Charlton bigger than palace now. They’re miles ahead of both of us. Even if you ended up playing at the same level they would be the bigger club now days. They sell out every game and have waiting lists for season tickets. See how many they got when they played Stockport at home in the early rounds of the cup last season? When everyone else was struggling to fill a third of their ground for the early round games against lower opposition they nearly sold out. A palace mate (yeah I know) told me it was because all their fans who can never get tickets for league games used it as an opportunity to go and watch them. They could have a 40k ground now days. Sadly. C**tsLeeds_Addick said:
I’m not saying that I agree we’re not far behind them but I think we’d also likely average over 20k if we had a championship season chasing promotionMillwallFan said:
I’d would say Charlton are well behind forest and wolves. They both averaged over 20k the last time they played in the third tier. I doubt you’ve ever got close to that while you were in the third tier in recent history (apart from play off games). Add to the history they’ve got on the pitch and say you’re not far away from them is way off the mark.Covered End said:
Yes bigger than Bournemouth, Brentford, Burnley and Fulham.kafka said:
Bigger than Bournemouth and Brentford though and as big as Fulham, Burnley, Brighton and Palace. We should be supporting this ambition and seeing how far NJ can take us.Dave2l said:Charlton are a small - medium ish sized club. I hope it stays that way.
Just want to enjoy the Championship. The premier league is a money pit for foreign investors and its not fun anymore.
If we somehow get promoted again, we'd have absolutely no chance of staying in that division.
I'd only be happy for us from a financial perspective. It would be great in that regard and we can carry on building the club up after we get relegated due to only getting 25 points from 38 games.
Same size as Brighton and Palace and not far behind Forest and Wolves.
So we can easily compete with 8 of the 20.
I do think we’re bigger than Brighton & Palace though rather than being on par
im not so sure. Looking at the crowds you had in the PL they are similar to what palace have now, both of you were restricted by ground size but did you have the waiting lists for season tickets they have? Also, a lot of your support was made up of floating fans and neutrals who came to watch PL football. (One of my customers is an Arsenal fan but had four ST’s while you was in the prem just so him and his sons could watch cheap live PL football. He hasn’t been back since you went down). Say what you like about palace (and believe me I’m no fan) but the fans who turn up to watch them, most of them are actual fans now.Also, catchment area is huge. A big chunk of it in Surrey, middle class people who in the past wouldn’t be drawn to football, but now days they are. And what with palace being an established PL club and on top of that winning the fa cup, huge swathes of them have become palace fans. And palace fans who actually want to go and watch them. They’ve sadly had this run in the PL and fa cup win at just the right time.At the very best, if you became established in the PL again, you might match them, but not in a million years would you ‘dwarf them’. I can’t stand the c***s I really can’t. But that’s the reality of the situation.
Today's attendance was 21,778 for a Championship game against a team that sold out there away allocation, this is now the bar for the season coming and for every other team who'll sell out the away end. Plenty of 21k+ attendances to come this season, no question in the Prem we'd sell out every home game bar maybe those who couldn't sell out an away allocation and end up splitting the Jimmy Seed stand.
Palace's run will come to an end one day, football has this great way of working in cycles which appear to be never-ending except they do and one day there luck will run out they will sell one player too many. I agree we wouldn't 'dwarf' them if we got promoted into the Prem though. The FA Cup win will soon be forgotten about, like Leicester who have also been relegated since then and they won the Prem.3
