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Are Charlton a sleeping giant beginning to wake?
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The people who currently own the club.WSS said:
Ultimately though, who is "we"?bolloxbolder said:Attaining premiership status is the only way we ever get the Valley and training ground back.0 -
Love a debate where no one is wrong because there isn't an agreed metric to measure it by so all opinion given is subjective.
Oh, and quite often the fact that fan bases grow and shrink over time with success/failure gets disregarded.2 -
I’d would say Charlton are well behind forest and wolves. They both averaged over 20k the last time they played in the third tier. I doubt you’ve ever got close to that while you were in the third tier in recent history (apart from play off games). Add to the history they’ve got on the pitch and say you’re not far away from them is way off the mark.Covered End said:
Yes bigger than Bournemouth, Brentford, Burnley and Fulham.kafka said:
Bigger than Bournemouth and Brentford though and as big as Fulham, Burnley, Brighton and Palace. We should be supporting this ambition and seeing how far NJ can take us.Dave2l said:Charlton are a small - medium ish sized club. I hope it stays that way.
Just want to enjoy the Championship. The premier league is a money pit for foreign investors and its not fun anymore.
If we somehow get promoted again, we'd have absolutely no chance of staying in that division.
I'd only be happy for us from a financial perspective. It would be great in that regard and we can carry on building the club up after we get relegated due to only getting 25 points from 38 games.
Same size as Brighton and Palace and not far behind Forest and Wolves.
So we can easily compete with 8 of the 20.11 -
If only it was that simple.bolloxbolder said:Attaining premiership status is the only way we ever get the Valley and training ground back.0 -
I’m not saying that I agree we’re not far behind them but I think we’d also likely average over 20k if we had a championship season chasing promotionMillwallFan said:
I’d would say Charlton are well behind forest and wolves. They both averaged over 20k the last time they played in the third tier. I doubt you’ve ever got close to that while you were in the third tier in recent history (apart from play off games). Add to the history they’ve got on the pitch and say you’re not far away from them is way off the mark.Covered End said:
Yes bigger than Bournemouth, Brentford, Burnley and Fulham.kafka said:
Bigger than Bournemouth and Brentford though and as big as Fulham, Burnley, Brighton and Palace. We should be supporting this ambition and seeing how far NJ can take us.Dave2l said:Charlton are a small - medium ish sized club. I hope it stays that way.
Just want to enjoy the Championship. The premier league is a money pit for foreign investors and its not fun anymore.
If we somehow get promoted again, we'd have absolutely no chance of staying in that division.
I'd only be happy for us from a financial perspective. It would be great in that regard and we can carry on building the club up after we get relegated due to only getting 25 points from 38 games.
Same size as Brighton and Palace and not far behind Forest and Wolves.
So we can easily compete with 8 of the 20.
I do think we’re bigger than Brighton & Palace though rather than being on par1 -
I look at us as a mid table second division club.
As for a sleeping giant, hmmmmmm.4 -
our recent history in the third tier has been under the worst ownerships in our history.MillwallFan said:
I’d would say Charlton are well behind forest and wolves. They both averaged over 20k the last time they played in the third tier. I doubt you’ve ever got close to that while you were in the third tier in recent history (apart from play off games). Add to the history they’ve got on the pitch and say you’re not far away from them is way off the mark.Covered End said:
Yes bigger than Bournemouth, Brentford, Burnley and Fulham.kafka said:
Bigger than Bournemouth and Brentford though and as big as Fulham, Burnley, Brighton and Palace. We should be supporting this ambition and seeing how far NJ can take us.Dave2l said:Charlton are a small - medium ish sized club. I hope it stays that way.
Just want to enjoy the Championship. The premier league is a money pit for foreign investors and its not fun anymore.
If we somehow get promoted again, we'd have absolutely no chance of staying in that division.
I'd only be happy for us from a financial perspective. It would be great in that regard and we can carry on building the club up after we get relegated due to only getting 25 points from 38 games.
Same size as Brighton and Palace and not far behind Forest and Wolves.
So we can easily compete with 8 of the 20.0 -
No way are Charlton bigger than palace now. They’re miles ahead of both of us. Even if you ended up playing at the same level they would be the bigger club now days. They sell out every game and have waiting lists for season tickets. See how many they got when they played Stockport at home in the early rounds of the cup last season? When everyone else was struggling to fill a third of their ground for the early round games against lower opposition they nearly sold out. A palace mate (yeah I know) told me it was because all their fans who can never get tickets for league games used it as an opportunity to go and watch them. They could have a 40k ground now days. Sadly. C**tsLeeds_Addick said:
I’m not saying that I agree we’re not far behind them but I think we’d also likely average over 20k if we had a championship season chasing promotionMillwallFan said:
I’d would say Charlton are well behind forest and wolves. They both averaged over 20k the last time they played in the third tier. I doubt you’ve ever got close to that while you were in the third tier in recent history (apart from play off games). Add to the history they’ve got on the pitch and say you’re not far away from them is way off the mark.Covered End said:
Yes bigger than Bournemouth, Brentford, Burnley and Fulham.kafka said:
Bigger than Bournemouth and Brentford though and as big as Fulham, Burnley, Brighton and Palace. We should be supporting this ambition and seeing how far NJ can take us.Dave2l said:Charlton are a small - medium ish sized club. I hope it stays that way.
Just want to enjoy the Championship. The premier league is a money pit for foreign investors and its not fun anymore.
If we somehow get promoted again, we'd have absolutely no chance of staying in that division.
I'd only be happy for us from a financial perspective. It would be great in that regard and we can carry on building the club up after we get relegated due to only getting 25 points from 38 games.
Same size as Brighton and Palace and not far behind Forest and Wolves.
So we can easily compete with 8 of the 20.
I do think we’re bigger than Brighton & Palace though rather than being on par14 -
Sadly true and one of the most depressing posts in a while. On the plus side nearly all their supporters are fuckwitsMillwallFan said:
No way are Charlton bigger than palace now. They’re miles ahead of both of us. Even if you ended up playing at the same level they would be the bigger club now days. They sell out every game and have waiting lists for season tickets. See how many they got when they played Stockport at home in the early rounds of the cup last season? When everyone else was struggling to fill a third of their ground for the early round games they nearly sold out. A palace mate (yeah I know) told me it was because all their fans who can never get tickets for league games used it as an opportunity to go and watch them. They could have a 40k ground now days. Sadly. C**tsLeeds_Addick said:
I’m not saying that I agree we’re not far behind them but I think we’d also likely average over 20k if we had a championship season chasing promotionMillwallFan said:
I’d would say Charlton are well behind forest and wolves. They both averaged over 20k the last time they played in the third tier. I doubt you’ve ever got close to that while you were in the third tier in recent history (apart from play off games). Add to the history they’ve got on the pitch and say you’re not far away from them is way off the mark.Covered End said:
Yes bigger than Bournemouth, Brentford, Burnley and Fulham.kafka said:
Bigger than Bournemouth and Brentford though and as big as Fulham, Burnley, Brighton and Palace. We should be supporting this ambition and seeing how far NJ can take us.Dave2l said:Charlton are a small - medium ish sized club. I hope it stays that way.
Just want to enjoy the Championship. The premier league is a money pit for foreign investors and its not fun anymore.
If we somehow get promoted again, we'd have absolutely no chance of staying in that division.
I'd only be happy for us from a financial perspective. It would be great in that regard and we can carry on building the club up after we get relegated due to only getting 25 points from 38 games.
Same size as Brighton and Palace and not far behind Forest and Wolves.
So we can easily compete with 8 of the 20.
I do think we’re bigger than Brighton & Palace though rather than being on par8 -
I know mate and it made me feel sick writing it but you’re also correct on the second point 😆Alwaysneil said:
Sadly true and one of the most depressing posts in a while. On the plus side nearly all their supporters are fuckwitsMillwallFan said:
No way are Charlton bigger than palace now. They’re miles ahead of both of us. Even if you ended up playing at the same level they would be the bigger club now days. They sell out every game and have waiting lists for season tickets. See how many they got when they played Stockport at home in the early rounds of the cup last season? When everyone else was struggling to fill a third of their ground for the early round games they nearly sold out. A palace mate (yeah I know) told me it was because all their fans who can never get tickets for league games used it as an opportunity to go and watch them. They could have a 40k ground now days. Sadly. C**tsLeeds_Addick said:
I’m not saying that I agree we’re not far behind them but I think we’d also likely average over 20k if we had a championship season chasing promotionMillwallFan said:
I’d would say Charlton are well behind forest and wolves. They both averaged over 20k the last time they played in the third tier. I doubt you’ve ever got close to that while you were in the third tier in recent history (apart from play off games). Add to the history they’ve got on the pitch and say you’re not far away from them is way off the mark.Covered End said:
Yes bigger than Bournemouth, Brentford, Burnley and Fulham.kafka said:
Bigger than Bournemouth and Brentford though and as big as Fulham, Burnley, Brighton and Palace. We should be supporting this ambition and seeing how far NJ can take us.Dave2l said:Charlton are a small - medium ish sized club. I hope it stays that way.
Just want to enjoy the Championship. The premier league is a money pit for foreign investors and its not fun anymore.
If we somehow get promoted again, we'd have absolutely no chance of staying in that division.
I'd only be happy for us from a financial perspective. It would be great in that regard and we can carry on building the club up after we get relegated due to only getting 25 points from 38 games.
Same size as Brighton and Palace and not far behind Forest and Wolves.
So we can easily compete with 8 of the 20.
I do think we’re bigger than Brighton & Palace though rather than being on par2 - Sponsored links:
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No, we are not0
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Nope. Rather we snuck back quickly so people forget we ever fell away0
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Sleeping, more like comatose. Definitely not a giant and never have or will be all the time we rent a ground with a relatively small capacity. Looking up from 4th place finish there are many clubs who would consider themselves bigger than us and in the EPL definitely all of them consider us exactly what we have become, a third tier club.
I have struggled for many years to except our place in the pyramid of football and always believed we should have been better than where we were. But reality speaks for itself, we’re rubbish for many years apart from a few months here and there. We have a mountain to climb just to tread water in this division, hence the amount of players we’ve signed. Hopefully we can kick on from last season and rebuild to where I always thought we should be and where we were 20 years ago. 40k fans at Wembley and many left watching on tv a couple of months back give a hint to what things could be like given the right backing and a huge slice of good fortune.0 -
Only time we've been a giant in football was pre and post WW2.4
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It pains me to say it, but you are right - I live in Dartford, so I am used to seeing people wearing Charlton and Millwall shirts / polo shirts around here - it’s normal ( of course I also see people wearing Manure, Livershite etc as well, but it’s been like that for years), and I have no gripe with seeing Millwall fans in my area - both clubs draw support from north Kent, and have done for years - and I know Millwall fans in the pubs I go to, and we have good banterMillwallFan said:
No way are Charlton bigger than palace now. They’re miles ahead of both of us. Even if you ended up playing at the same level they would be the bigger club now days. They sell out every game and have waiting lists for season tickets. See how many they got when they played Stockport at home in the early rounds of the cup last season? When everyone else was struggling to fill a third of their ground for the early round games against lower opposition they nearly sold out. A palace mate (yeah I know) told me it was because all their fans who can never get tickets for league games used it as an opportunity to go and watch them. They could have a 40k ground now days. Sadly. C**tsLeeds_Addick said:
I’m not saying that I agree we’re not far behind them but I think we’d also likely average over 20k if we had a championship season chasing promotionMillwallFan said:
I’d would say Charlton are well behind forest and wolves. They both averaged over 20k the last time they played in the third tier. I doubt you’ve ever got close to that while you were in the third tier in recent history (apart from play off games). Add to the history they’ve got on the pitch and say you’re not far away from them is way off the mark.Covered End said:
Yes bigger than Bournemouth, Brentford, Burnley and Fulham.kafka said:
Bigger than Bournemouth and Brentford though and as big as Fulham, Burnley, Brighton and Palace. We should be supporting this ambition and seeing how far NJ can take us.Dave2l said:Charlton are a small - medium ish sized club. I hope it stays that way.
Just want to enjoy the Championship. The premier league is a money pit for foreign investors and its not fun anymore.
If we somehow get promoted again, we'd have absolutely no chance of staying in that division.
I'd only be happy for us from a financial perspective. It would be great in that regard and we can carry on building the club up after we get relegated due to only getting 25 points from 38 games.
Same size as Brighton and Palace and not far behind Forest and Wolves.
So we can easily compete with 8 of the 20.
I do think we’re bigger than Brighton & Palace though rather than being on par
However, a very worrying trend is seeing people in Dartford, and surrounding area, in Palshit tops
Yesterday I walked my 2 dogs at Horton Kirby - I had a Charlton polo shirt on - first up, 3 lads (I would say 13’ish years old) all 3 wearing Palshit shirts in the park - then walking along the river, a bloke and a woman jogging, both in Palshit shirts - then I popped to the pub for a couple of pints, I’m sat in pub garden, and a family come in, and their 2 small lads both in Palshit shirts !!!
I could hear their Dad saying that I was a Charlton fan, and that we hate them, but he didn’t understand why - blimey he didn’t even know the history
So my point is this - their years in the Prem + FA Cup win are now creeping into ‘our’ area - and for ‘our’ I mean Charlton and Millwall
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I dream of a world when you can have an opinion about Charlton and @millwallfan (who only comments where Millwall are mentioned apparently #bs) doesn’t pile in with his option3
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Sounds like it's time to move before property values start to suffer.Lordflashheart said:
It pains me to say it, but you are right - I live in Dartford, so I am used to seeing people wearing Charlton and Millwall shirts / polo shirts around here - it’s normal ( of course I also see people wearing Manure, Livershite etc as well, but it’s been like that for years), and I have no gripe with seeing Millwall fans in my area - both clubs draw support from north Kent, and have done for years - and I know Millwall fans in the pubs I go to, and we have good banterMillwallFan said:
No way are Charlton bigger than palace now. They’re miles ahead of both of us. Even if you ended up playing at the same level they would be the bigger club now days. They sell out every game and have waiting lists for season tickets. See how many they got when they played Stockport at home in the early rounds of the cup last season? When everyone else was struggling to fill a third of their ground for the early round games against lower opposition they nearly sold out. A palace mate (yeah I know) told me it was because all their fans who can never get tickets for league games used it as an opportunity to go and watch them. They could have a 40k ground now days. Sadly. C**tsLeeds_Addick said:
I’m not saying that I agree we’re not far behind them but I think we’d also likely average over 20k if we had a championship season chasing promotionMillwallFan said:
I’d would say Charlton are well behind forest and wolves. They both averaged over 20k the last time they played in the third tier. I doubt you’ve ever got close to that while you were in the third tier in recent history (apart from play off games). Add to the history they’ve got on the pitch and say you’re not far away from them is way off the mark.Covered End said:
Yes bigger than Bournemouth, Brentford, Burnley and Fulham.kafka said:
Bigger than Bournemouth and Brentford though and as big as Fulham, Burnley, Brighton and Palace. We should be supporting this ambition and seeing how far NJ can take us.Dave2l said:Charlton are a small - medium ish sized club. I hope it stays that way.
Just want to enjoy the Championship. The premier league is a money pit for foreign investors and its not fun anymore.
If we somehow get promoted again, we'd have absolutely no chance of staying in that division.
I'd only be happy for us from a financial perspective. It would be great in that regard and we can carry on building the club up after we get relegated due to only getting 25 points from 38 games.
Same size as Brighton and Palace and not far behind Forest and Wolves.
So we can easily compete with 8 of the 20.
I do think we’re bigger than Brighton & Palace though rather than being on par
However, a very worrying trend is seeing people in Dartford, and surrounding area, in Palshit tops
Yesterday I walked my 2 dogs at Horton Kirby - I had a Charlton polo shirt on - first up, 3 lads (I would say 13’ish years old) all 3 wearing Palshit shirts in the park - then walking along the river, a bloke and a woman jogging, both in Palshit shirts - then I popped to the pub for a couple of pints, I’m sat in pub garden, and a family come in, and their 2 small lads both in Palshit shirts !!!
I could hear their Dad saying that I was a Charlton fan, and that we hate them, but he didn’t understand why - blimey he didn’t even know the history
So my point is this - their years in the Prem + FA Cup win are now creeping into ‘our’ area - and for ‘our’ I mean Charlton and Millwall
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Fair enough, point taken. I do try to stick to threads about Millwall and the championship in general but obviously I’m going to get drawn to a thread title like this one aren’t I? 😆Ducktapeshoerepairs said:I dream of a world when you can have an opinion about Charlton and @millwallfan (who only comments where Millwall are mentioned apparently #bs) doesn’t pile in with his option
fair play though most of you dismissed the idea of being a sleeping giant. Maybe this time spent in L1 has humbled you all a tad?😁
Anyway, Millwall and Championship threads only from now on. 👍🏻
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No!ElfsborgAddick said:
If only it was that simple.bolloxbolder said:Attaining premiership status is the only way we ever get the Valley and training ground back.
Would that it were so simple.
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15th May 2005MillwallFan said:
No way are Charlton bigger than palace now. They’re miles ahead of both of us. Even if you ended up playing at the same level they would be the bigger club now days. They sell out every game and have waiting lists for season tickets. See how many they got when they played Stockport at home in the early rounds of the cup last season? When everyone else was struggling to fill a third of their ground for the early round games against lower opposition they nearly sold out. A palace mate (yeah I know) told me it was because all their fans who can never get tickets for league games used it as an opportunity to go and watch them. They could have a 40k ground now days. Sadly. C**tsLeeds_Addick said:
I’m not saying that I agree we’re not far behind them but I think we’d also likely average over 20k if we had a championship season chasing promotionMillwallFan said:
I’d would say Charlton are well behind forest and wolves. They both averaged over 20k the last time they played in the third tier. I doubt you’ve ever got close to that while you were in the third tier in recent history (apart from play off games). Add to the history they’ve got on the pitch and say you’re not far away from them is way off the mark.Covered End said:
Yes bigger than Bournemouth, Brentford, Burnley and Fulham.kafka said:
Bigger than Bournemouth and Brentford though and as big as Fulham, Burnley, Brighton and Palace. We should be supporting this ambition and seeing how far NJ can take us.Dave2l said:Charlton are a small - medium ish sized club. I hope it stays that way.
Just want to enjoy the Championship. The premier league is a money pit for foreign investors and its not fun anymore.
If we somehow get promoted again, we'd have absolutely no chance of staying in that division.
I'd only be happy for us from a financial perspective. It would be great in that regard and we can carry on building the club up after we get relegated due to only getting 25 points from 38 games.
Same size as Brighton and Palace and not far behind Forest and Wolves.
So we can easily compete with 8 of the 20.
I do think we’re bigger than Brighton & Palace though rather than being on par0 -
Many of us you here like you @MillwallFan, a shame you are only on this forum for another three weeks.2
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Out of the 3 sides that came up last season we are by far the favourite to go back down, we need a few seasons to stable in the championship and then who knows maybe a tilt at promotion1
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Curbs often referred to us as 'Little old Charlton' during his years as our manager. I also remember adverts flying around in the mid 90s when promoting coach travel to the Valley saying 'There's a big club, right on your doorstep'.0
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If we were established in the PL, we’d absolutely dwarf Palace. Again.MillwallFan said:
No way are Charlton bigger than palace now. They’re miles ahead of both of us. Even if you ended up playing at the same level they would be the bigger club now days. They sell out every game and have waiting lists for season tickets. See how many they got when they played Stockport at home in the early rounds of the cup last season? When everyone else was struggling to fill a third of their ground for the early round games against lower opposition they nearly sold out. A palace mate (yeah I know) told me it was because all their fans who can never get tickets for league games used it as an opportunity to go and watch them. They could have a 40k ground now days. Sadly. C**tsLeeds_Addick said:
I’m not saying that I agree we’re not far behind them but I think we’d also likely average over 20k if we had a championship season chasing promotionMillwallFan said:
I’d would say Charlton are well behind forest and wolves. They both averaged over 20k the last time they played in the third tier. I doubt you’ve ever got close to that while you were in the third tier in recent history (apart from play off games). Add to the history they’ve got on the pitch and say you’re not far away from them is way off the mark.Covered End said:
Yes bigger than Bournemouth, Brentford, Burnley and Fulham.kafka said:
Bigger than Bournemouth and Brentford though and as big as Fulham, Burnley, Brighton and Palace. We should be supporting this ambition and seeing how far NJ can take us.Dave2l said:Charlton are a small - medium ish sized club. I hope it stays that way.
Just want to enjoy the Championship. The premier league is a money pit for foreign investors and its not fun anymore.
If we somehow get promoted again, we'd have absolutely no chance of staying in that division.
I'd only be happy for us from a financial perspective. It would be great in that regard and we can carry on building the club up after we get relegated due to only getting 25 points from 38 games.
Same size as Brighton and Palace and not far behind Forest and Wolves.
So we can easily compete with 8 of the 20.
I do think we’re bigger than Brighton & Palace though rather than being on par5 -
This.The Red Robin said:
If we were established in the PL, we’d absolutely dwarf Palace. Again.MillwallFan said:
No way are Charlton bigger than palace now. They’re miles ahead of both of us. Even if you ended up playing at the same level they would be the bigger club now days. They sell out every game and have waiting lists for season tickets. See how many they got when they played Stockport at home in the early rounds of the cup last season? When everyone else was struggling to fill a third of their ground for the early round games against lower opposition they nearly sold out. A palace mate (yeah I know) told me it was because all their fans who can never get tickets for league games used it as an opportunity to go and watch them. They could have a 40k ground now days. Sadly. C**tsLeeds_Addick said:
I’m not saying that I agree we’re not far behind them but I think we’d also likely average over 20k if we had a championship season chasing promotionMillwallFan said:
I’d would say Charlton are well behind forest and wolves. They both averaged over 20k the last time they played in the third tier. I doubt you’ve ever got close to that while you were in the third tier in recent history (apart from play off games). Add to the history they’ve got on the pitch and say you’re not far away from them is way off the mark.Covered End said:
Yes bigger than Bournemouth, Brentford, Burnley and Fulham.kafka said:
Bigger than Bournemouth and Brentford though and as big as Fulham, Burnley, Brighton and Palace. We should be supporting this ambition and seeing how far NJ can take us.Dave2l said:Charlton are a small - medium ish sized club. I hope it stays that way.
Just want to enjoy the Championship. The premier league is a money pit for foreign investors and its not fun anymore.
If we somehow get promoted again, we'd have absolutely no chance of staying in that division.
I'd only be happy for us from a financial perspective. It would be great in that regard and we can carry on building the club up after we get relegated due to only getting 25 points from 38 games.
Same size as Brighton and Palace and not far behind Forest and Wolves.
So we can easily compete with 8 of the 20.
I do think we’re bigger than Brighton & Palace though rather than being on par
Palace are currently bigger than us because they have been in the Premier League for years.
Charlton on the other hand have been through a succession of poor owners which led us to our lowest league position for nearly 100 years
Should Charlton return to the Premier League and stay there we would resume our position as South Londons biggest club.3 -
Yep, that feels like the natural order of things. If we’re in the top tier then we’re punching above our weight. If we’re in the bottom tier we’re disgracing ourselves.ElfsborgAddick said:I look at us as a mid table second division club.
As for a sleeping giant, hmmmmmm.2
